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Bit freaked out...

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 13:16

...and need a bit of reassurance.

Just had a card arrive by post from an ex which has freaked me out.

Backstory: met him in 2000, at that time he was in a mental health hospital, under a section. (OK, bells should have rang, I know, I know, but what can I say? He's very manipulative and I'd been a single mum for 13 years, and there was immediate chemistry, so I got sucked in, please don't judge me for that, I know what a fool I was.) Started dating Feb 2001.

He was due to be released from hospital a few months after but only on the condition he had an address to go to. He was desperate, as he had no friends other than others in mental health institutions (he'd been in hospital/secure units for 3 years) and didn't get on with his adoptive parents so I said he could stay with me for a couple of months 'til he got a flat. His CPN was meant to be arranging housing association for him. All was lovely until then.

He was a terrible, terrible man, controlling, violent, a liar, it turned out he was actually engaged to another woman who was still in a secure unit. I hit the roof over that and said he was taking the P out of both of us so he did then end it with her. But then he made me virtually a prisoner in my own home because if we went out, if he thought another man so much as looked at me, even though I walked everywhere with my eyes on the floor so that I couldn't accidentally look at a man, and kept telling how much I loved him and wasn't interested in other men, I'd get a damn good kicking when we got home. He'd suggest we'd go out for a night, and tell me what to wear, something he said he liked me in, then he'd spend all night yelling at me that I looked like a whore (I didn't, I'm a size 16 ffs!) and that I was coming on to men dressed 'like that'. And again, there'd be a kicking waiting for me when we got home. I dreaded coming back to my own home most days. The kids had to walk on eggshells too else..guess what...yes, more violence (to me, and never in front of them, thank god.) There were a couple of male nurses where I worked and god forbid he found out one had been on the same shift as me, it would, of course, mean I'd been sleeping with him. And so on. You get the picture. Women would phone up my house to arrange dates with him (he apparently told them he was living with his sister because someone had once thought we were siblings as we looked a little similar) and one of his friends would often phone me and threaten to kill both me and my kids if I didn't cooperate (ie be a better g/f).

Like many women in that kind of situation, he told me everything was my fault so many times that I believed him and thought if I stopped doing stuff that was wrong, he'd be nicer to me. It didn't happen, of course.

Things finally came to a head after about 9 months of this when we had one incident of unprotected sex (oh yes, he used to hit me during sex, forgot that bit) and I got pregnant. He went mental, first accusing me of sleeping around, but then after accepting it was his, he said he wanted nothing to do with it and I was to tell no-one about the baby's existence, ever. I explained that I would have to tell people, at least schools and health visitors etc, and that no way would I keep a child of mine locked in the house for ever like a dirty secret. He stormed off and I had the presence of mind to not let him back in that time, and actually stick to it. So that was, thankfully, that.

I miscarried at 12 weeks, which I was devastated about at the time as, crazy as it sounds, I still loved him...but now I can see that it was a blessing in disguise.

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waterrat · 01/03/2011 14:25

Eden, don't vanish from the thread - if you stay calm this will be okay.

I have an ex who is mentally ill and some similar things happened to me - I do sympathise with loving someone who was in a secure unit -it sounds hard to believe, but I've been there myself so I know that someone can be charming/ mad / appear deranged to others while there is a connection.My ex used to accuse me of having 'psychic sex' with his brother!

Firstly - Don't respond but also, don't panic or worry at this moment. Nothing yet indicates he means any harm.

Take a deep breath and be calm - this man may well have just go in touch to apologise, you mustn't make decisions or start worrying until you need to.

Assume it meant what it said it did, but if you want, let the police know that someone who was violent to you / harrassed you has contacted you. Tell friends as well.

It sounds as though it really is past - it's been a long time, I know how frightening this must be, I really do. I had the same feelings - whenever I think about my ex I feel so nervous about the unpredictability of someone in that state. But he has probably moved on.

You don't need to move and I think for now that while keeping wise to it, you should assume it is just what it says it is, an apology, and put it out of your mind.

eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:27

No, I have no intention of responding. I couldn't anyway, as I neither know nor care where he is. Though I think that would probably go against me if reporting it to the police ("There's this bloke, I don't know where he lives...") The postmark is York, which may mean anything or nothing. But it's not from round here anyway.

I know re:the home. As I say, he's never come back here in 9 years. That's why I've never moved, or wanted to. I've generally not felt at threat here, and I found out the bloke who made the death threats died a few years ago (I've seen his sister quite a lot in recent months, through my old work) so I have no worries about him, at least.

Thanks footmassage, I think your response was what I should've just told myself in the first place :)

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waterrat · 01/03/2011 14:27

Just to add - I really dont want to risk you being hurt - so only you can judge - DO listen to your instinct. Do go to the police and do tell your friends - but just take it a step at a time. Could you get the police to speak to him? Surely if he was violent it's harrasment - were criminal charges ever brought against him?

zikes · 01/03/2011 14:30

I reckon you should keep the card and put together a plan of action in case he tries to make contact again. Then put them both in a box in the cupboard and just try to live your life. If his harrassment starts again, then you dig out the plan whether it be to involve police and courts or whatever.

None of this was your fault. It's easy to say in hindsight I should have done this, I should have done that - but when you're in the situation you can't see the way out. It was his doing.

eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:34

No, I never brought charges against him, he was my b/f. I loved him. Blush I know that might sound really stupid and incomprehensible to the rest of you. I don't think you can understand the insanity of that line of thought unless you've been in a relationship like that. :(

Also, I grew up in a home with DV, and my mum never got my dad into trouble, so I guess it never would have occurred to me. Blush I would be a lot more savvy these days, my head is screwed on a bit better now.

Thanks watterat :)

I think maybe if he meant any harm it would have started up again in earnest when he was clearly in this town last year. Or I hope so, anyway. Maybe it is innocent. He didn't put an address on it, so clearly doesn't expect a reply, which is kind of reassuring.

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eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:38

Thanks for listening and for all your support and suggestions. I hope you didn't think I was being obstructive about not agreeing to move, I would be saying exactly the same to someone else, no doubt.

I don't know any of you but I have tears in my eyes that you've taken the time to respond to my silliness and fuss about nothing. Thank you. :)

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waterrat · 01/03/2011 14:47

Eden, it's not silliness or fuss over nothing! It sounds like you have been through a hellish time with this man and are on your feet and making your life work through your own determination and hard work. Well done - I do understand how hard it must have been and how easy it is to get sucked into the world of someone like this.

Well done for getting out and moving on with your life. If you haven't ever had counselling I'd recommend it, to help you build your confidence back up.

I've reported that post by gorgeous, ignore it.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 01/03/2011 14:48

It's not a fuss about nothing, it must be bloody horrible.

Speaking of bloody horrible, nice post GeorgousX Hmm

eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:51

Thanks for that Gorgeousx, people like you are what I love so much about MN. The charm, grace and polite turn of phrase. :)

  1. I didn't know he was a nutter until after he came to stay. I knew he was ill, not evil.
  1. He didn't 'live' here, it was only ever meant to be a stopgap for a few weeks. The CPN let us down on that by not finding accommodation after promising she would.
  1. I couldn't give two hoots whether he's sorry or not, what I was concerned about, as you'd see if you read what I wrote, is whether this is a precursor to further harassment
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zikes · 01/03/2011 14:51

Your feelings are totally understandable and not silly at all, eden. Be kind to yourself.

And ignore Gorgeous.

eden263 · 01/03/2011 14:55

waterrat, I've often thought about counselling (still carrying lots of baggage about my childhood which I can't seem to shake off) but would have no idea how to go about it and unfortunately unless a job comes along, no money at the moment to pay for it. But I guess it'll keep for now Wink

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GORGEOUSX · 01/03/2011 14:56

There's nothing "nice" about bringing a man who's sectioned to live with you when you've got DC. Totally and utterly irresponsible; not to mention illegal, I would have thought.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 01/03/2011 15:10

Oh FGS it's not illegal to live with a man with mental health problems. If it was I think half of Mumsnet would be breaking the law. Bore off.

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waterrat · 01/03/2011 15:12

Gorgeous - people who have mental health problems are not necessarily dangerous. So if someone has been sectioned it says nothing about whether or not they can be trusted with children - this man was abusive which is a totally different issue.

And I don't know if you've noticed but the point about abusers is they manipulate their partners and terrify them - so you might as well say 'it's irresponsible to be abused' which is bloody ridiculous. So please go away. It sounds like Eden has done a brilliant job of fighting to get free of a horrible abuser, she deserves congratulations.

cestlavielife · 01/03/2011 15:16

dont respond to the card but be alert and call police if your worried - you could go chat to dv officers anyway eg have them mark your phon in case you do need to call them.

he maybe justt checking you still at that address. if you ignore it he might not bother...

eden263 · 01/03/2011 15:18

He wasn't sectioned when he was here. As I explained (please read my posts to avoid further misunderstanding), he was being released, and a condition of that was that he came to stay here.

Do you regard all people with depression who live with children with such contempt? He had been in hospital with depression for 3 years, from his initial and repeated suicide attempts, to the point where the staff and his consultant thought he was finally well enough to live in the community.

Of course it wasn't illegal. As I say, it was with the full backing of the NHS. His CPN came to see me first to talk to me about it. She was quite aware of my domestic situation.

Clearly, had I have known about the other side to his personality, I wouldn't have had a relationship, let alone have him to stay. Perhaps you ask every potential boyfriend "are you actually a secret controlling 'wife'-beater?" before going on a date with them. If so, well done for having that foresight. I have learned my lesson the hard way.

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IngridBergmann · 01/03/2011 15:55

SO sorry, had to go out as I had a phone call...Reality is spot on, I was incredulous that you wrote you had brought it on yourself.

I was trying to tell you that you hadn't and it wasn't your fault - but I can see how my message could have come across wrongly, and I';m sorry.

Big thanks to Reality for setting it straight.

Gorgeousx always has something inflammatory to say so yes, I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

Sorry you feel so got at. I know how you feel. I'm glad you posted about it and I hope some of the advice and sympathy will help x

GORGEOUSX · 01/03/2011 16:13

I make absolutely no apologies for being an old-fashioned old-bag. If you are allowing someone who was sectioned and 'being released' into your home IMO that is totally irresponsible. You did know him well enough to know that he was abusive, therefore you did not know him well enough to allow him into your home with your DC.

And to all you bleeding hearts who are up in arms about my opinion, I say this:

If your DC were going on an exchange trip, to stay with a family in another town/country, and the male in the house had just been released, after being sectioned, I doubt very much you would consent to it.

When one has DC, IMO, one shouldn't be allowing people to come and live with them unless they know them very well. The OP herself says that alarm bells were ringing! She may have said red flags, I can't remember exactly what she said, but she definitely knew all was not well.

GORGEOUSX · 01/03/2011 16:14

that should read, you did NOT know him well enough

welshbyrd · 01/03/2011 16:15

Just read through thread, have not got anything more to offer as regards to advice

But really wanted to type a bit of moral support.
Really hope that it was a one of genuine apology note, and you can carry on with your life without any more contact from the him

Just like to stand with the majority here, and say under no uncertain terms, you were/are NOT responsible for any of this behaviour, irrelevant of you being with him 10 months, 10 days, 10 mins.

Goodluck for the future

IngridBergmann · 01/03/2011 16:18

Gorgeousx, I believe that the OP has already noted that she made a mistake (many years ago) and does not now need to be reminded of that.