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He is behaving weirdly - just don't get it?

78 replies

Orchidlady · 02/02/2011 14:36

Been going through a very rough patch with dp of 17 years and the other day he announced that our relationship has run it's course, said he did not love me or my son and thinks we should spilt up. This was said after yet another drinking session. Our relationship is pretty crap, sex life nonexistent; the arguments have been terrible etc etc. The weird thing is he is now behaving as nothing has been said,he has bought presents flowers etc but the atmosphere is awful. I can barely bear to look @ him to talk to him @ the moment. Just can't to seem to fathom out my feeling

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Orchidlady · 02/02/2011 17:45

Burying, god my typing is crap

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ItsGraceAgain · 02/02/2011 17:45

No, you do not need a man to find happiness and validation. I am 55. I am EXTREMELY single. I am extremely single because it's my choice. I could go and find myself a man tomorrow; virtually any woman could and, with a modicum of effort, could turn him into a partner. What's changed is my standards. I was far more malleable, accepting and doormat-like before 50 than after.

I married for the second time at 43. He was 31. It didn't last long - less than 3 years - but that was because I was becoming less of a pushover, not because I was "old".

You know that song, where it says "Don't read beauty magazines, they will make you feel ugly"?
Good advice.

AnyFucker · 02/02/2011 17:48

Grace...you strike me as a perfect example of someone who turned their life around at a relatively "older" age

AnyFucker · 02/02/2011 17:49

christ on a bike, that sounded patronising

hope you get it

ItsGraceAgain · 02/02/2011 17:50

I've written about my mum before - now on her third relationship since Dad died in 1999. She's 80.

ItsGraceAgain · 02/02/2011 17:51

Cheers, AF, I just feel I'm turnING my life around (for the umpteenth time) - haven't finished yet. The world better watch out Grin

Orchidlady · 02/02/2011 17:52

Um lets not talk about Mums, that's another thread in itself

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ItsGraceAgain · 02/02/2011 17:53

Aha, did yours set you a gleaming example of fulfilled womanhood Orchid??? Hmm

humanheart · 02/02/2011 17:54

go to counselling yourself OP? you've been together for 17 years and I wouldn't be saying 'ah well' after 17 years but doing all I can to see if the relationship can be saved (though not at any cost). only you can know if those 17 years have been valuable (worth saving) or crap (not worth saving). don't want to get into the wrangle above (though SO could!) but imo (or ime) it's not a doddle starting again.

of course if your relationship has always been poor, or damaging, then, yes, this would be a time to look at splitting in order to have a better quality of life in the future. whatever way, imo 'professional' support is essential to manage this huge transition - and also essential if you stay in the marriage: both options can be very difficult and very probably need some professional input to pull off as effectively as possible.

looks like dh is not making a lot of sense, which can be very destablising for you. you also say you have had hideous rows so it doesn't sound as though you are in a position to be able to talk sensibly together at the mo. Maybe now is not the time for you both to go into counselling together anyway (even though he refuses) but it may well be a good time for you op - I honestly don't think this situaiton is going to resolve on its own. I think I remember your other thread and from what you say there, things are very fraught indeed between you at the mo.

if you decide to split, imo this is a HUGE decision, particularly after 17 years, as not only will you two be affected but there are many people whose lives are going to be either directly or indirectly affected to varying degrees by that decision, so your decision about the future is not just yours. that's not a guilt trip but reality imo. If the relationship is indeed toxic (and always has been) then you do need to get out, even though a split may adversely affect other people. But I do bridle at suggestions/advice that ah well you're not happy, he's a dick, get rid, knock it on the head and try again somewhere else... Angry

ItsGraceAgain · 02/02/2011 17:55

... thought I'd better add (in case it's relevant) - mine taught me to be a doormat. Now I'm teaching her what self respect and being respected feel like!

Orchidlady · 02/02/2011 17:56

Well let's put it this way I really should be having this converstion with her but I really don't think she will get it. Learned to accept that one.

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ItsGraceAgain · 02/02/2011 17:57

Yep, humanheart, a good counsellor can do wonders in terms of seeing the wood through the trees :)

zippy539 · 02/02/2011 17:59

Sorry to hear this. Rushing to get dinner but is there a chance that he's depressed? No excuse obviously but a def possibility.

humanheart · 02/02/2011 18:00

sorry that was a long post Blush

zippy539 · 02/02/2011 18:02

Sorry - just noticed that you've mentioned he might be depressed. Can you get hold of a copy of 'the depression fallout' - sorry can't remember who wrote it but it's helped me hugely in dealing with a depressive partner and the impact depression can have on a relationship. You might be able to read big chunks of it on line - let me check for you.

zippy539 · 02/02/2011 18:03

www.depressionfallout.com/ - sorry for not linking - fish fingers burning!

Orchidlady · 02/02/2011 18:04

Zippy, I would say most certainly he is depressed, also said that he has contemplated suicide and quickly retracted it and said we would all be better off without him

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Orchidlady · 02/02/2011 18:09

Thanks HumanHeart, I don't think telling him to f###k off right now is the answer, I need to explore things in a level headed manner, easier said than done of course

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zippy539 · 02/02/2011 18:59

Oh Orchidlady :(

Is there any way you can get him to go to the doctor?

It might well be that your relationship has run it's course but you won't know until he's on some kind of even keel.

zippy539 · 02/02/2011 19:11

Here's the link. The site is a bit American but the book itself gave me a few light-bulb moments which threw light on the last twelve years of life with DH!!!

www.depressionfallout.com/

perfumedlife · 02/02/2011 19:13

Sorry this is going on Orchidlady (lovely name )

Can you tell us more about the time he left for a month? How long ago was it, and what did he say when he returned, did you ask him to come back?

lifeshock · 02/02/2011 21:51

Hi can I butt in again as our situation is a bit similar. I verge from thinking he (my oh) is depressed- having a midlife crisis - to having an affair.
I have asked him many times if he is seeing someone else but he always denies it. Just seems weird for someone to say they don't love you anymore and have no interest in their own children. Can you imagine ever coming out with anything like that
good luck with everything and I would say if it is worth saving, save it - being on your own is horrible :(

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 02/02/2011 23:14

Orchidlady and lifeshock I suspect in both of your relationships, there is an OW involved. It is so horribly unfair when someone drops this bombshell and neglects to admit the real catalyst for their sudden loss of feelings. OP, your H might be depressed as well because depressed people are especially vulnerable to affairs.

In your shoes, I would be doing a lot of digging behind the scenes. You've tried to do the right thing and keep meeting denials.

Spero · 03/02/2011 11:40

From what you have said he is certainly depressed. That can be fixable, but he has to want to do something about it, you can't fix him. My ex saw a number of psychiatrists and was on anti depressants etc, etc, but I don't think that helps without counselling which he wasn't ever able to commit to; he felt just turning up and sitting there was sufficient and would not do anything to change his behaviour.

I agree there could well be another woman, but I don't think it is a very sensible or healthy use of your time to go 'digging for proof'.

the relationship is in crisis; both of you need to want to fix it. If he can't be honest with you and doesn't want to engage with you I think you will find out soon enough. I don't see why it helps to start playing private dectective.

Why not just ask him - is there someone else? or get him to explain why he doesn't want to save the relationship.

I don't want to sound overly negative, but if someone can get to his age and deal with his relationship issues in this utterly destructive and immature way, I don't hold out much hope for a turn around. He would have to want it very much and have to put a lot of effort in.

So I do think it is worth trying, but only on a strict timeframe. See what he's like after six months, and re-assess. But don't wait too long.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 03/02/2011 12:05

Spero one of the reasons I urge people to find out the truth is because it helps them to move on. I have known people (in RL and on here) to become very, very bitter when they learn that their "understanding" approach was misguided and that in reality, they were being deceived all along.

Giving people a time-frame is a good idea, but not if there is an OW involved, because that allows these departing spouses to road test the new relationship with the safety net of their former partnership.

That is not fair and it stops the primary partner from moving on with her life.

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