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Are we doomed?

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Changing2011 · 15/01/2011 10:30

Hi Im sorry but this is going to be long.

I have been with DP for seven years and we have 1 young child. Ours was not an instant love, but things happened quickly in the beginning (moving in, baby etc). Since then things have stalled considerably, but my love for him has grown immensely (possibly due to all we have been through together). I really love him now, but I cant say I loved him in the beginning. He seems to love me more then, and less now.

When we met we had both recently finished LTR and to be fair, I think DP was more bothered than me about finding someone new. He seemed keen to get serious very quickly. I would have liked more of a courtship. But he seemed to hate being single/alone. He as very sweet but not big on the passion side. Sex has always been a little stilted, but we have grown into knowing one another and now, when we have sex we both love it. But I have always had a higher sex drive than him. He likes it a lot abut one week in the month (I swear men have monthly moods as well!) and not at all other times. I prefer more regular sex, but get annoyed when he wants it a lot all at once. He has said in the past it really turns him off if I ask for sex/making love so i dont do that now. It seems the female making any approach doesnt do anything for him and it makes me feel cheap so if he doesnt approach me, we dont do it.

What does annoy me is that he feels the need to grope me in sexual places as a form of affection (he never kisses and cuddles me) and he does this in a jokey way, but I think its a bit cheeky when we are a) not having much sex and b) he doesnt show me more romantic affection which I would dearly love. I do get a bit tetchy with the boob/bum grabbing I must say.

So, the sex is one issue. The main problem is that he uses sex/affection to punish me. I am a busy career mum and run a tight ship at home. He also works full time, but I do expect some help around the house every now and again. Admittedly because I find it quicker and more painless to do things myself, I tend to simmer resentfully and then blow up every so often about his lack of thought around the home (leaving dirty clothes on floor, not knowing the location of the dishwasher, coats in the bedroom, etc etc just general annoying stuff). When I do challenge him or make any sort of confrontation, he withholds affection and sex for up to a month. Basically until he gets blue balls then he jumps on me for about a week. I think this is a cruel way of dealing with everyday family arguments.

Another ploy he uses to put me down is to call me names in front of his family, he is quite the snob and likes to sneer at people he considers to be lower class than him, so calling me a chav or pikey is his favourite put down. Although my family are quite well off and I am very well educated. This makes me seethe and I am not averse to going ballistic when he does this. I am no wallflower, dont get me wrong but the constant sniping is making me feel looked down on.

I had an affair about three years ago (only slept together once) but it was a mutual friend and needless to say when he found out he was very hurt, but I realised I really did love him and he forgave me. Or so I thought. I think his behaviour detailed above is more of the same punishing style he has developed and my affair gave him fuel for his fire. But the reasons I looked for affection from another man are also detailed above! Our whole relationship I have felt a little lonely and like him having sex/giving me love is really a chore for him. I feel he is putting up with me to keep our family together (he is very good with our child, and child adores him). His parents have had a very long marriage etc.

The bottom line is I love this man to the bottom of my soul. I know I have wronged him and nearly lost him in the past but I know the relationship I desire is in there somewhere! But I need to regain his respect before he can truly love me I feel..... any advice or alternative perspectives? Please, no man-hating abuse style advice please, I am well aware what constitutes an abusive relationship and this is not one of those.

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newnamethistime · 17/01/2011 11:00

yuck yuck yuck - this sounds horribly unhealthy.

Imagine if your daughter told you her love life was similar?
How would you feel? Shocked? disappointed, sorry for her? Angry even?
I feel all those things for you.

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:06

I hate feeling subservient to him, but the trouble is it has always been like this so its difficcult to change this dynamic of our relationship. I really think he thinks everything is fine and dandy. Certainly it would never occur to HIM to bring it up - he never talks about sex in the form of open discussion. He is quite immature in that way, its just not something he likes to talk about. If I talk about it he gets impatient with me like "why are you bringing this up again" sort of thing. I think he takes everything as a criticism, he has a very fragile ego. I think due to ex leaving him for another man etc. She had been shagging around their whole relationship.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 17/01/2011 11:07

I thought so, OP. When this happens, it's because he is no longer seeing you as a person, but as a receptacle. Everything else in your longer post this morning simply backs this up. He is using sex to control you and "rewarded" you with it the other night, for not going out. The subservient BJ was to punish you for yesterday.

Please get out, this man is vile.

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:08

So dont nice men like sex from behind then WWIFN?

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newnamethistime · 17/01/2011 11:10

of course they do, but it's part of a bigger package (excuse the pun..).

IAmReallyFabNow · 17/01/2011 11:11

Yes, nice men do like sex from behind but mostly I think they would want to look at the person they are having sex with and kiss them.

This relationship does not sound healthy and fulfilling.

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:13

How can I make it so?

Do I go on strike? I want asnwers - constructive criticism. If I have to drag him to counselling I will! I am not giving up on us. I think the title of my thread is all wrong - it has made people think I know in my heart its over - nothing could be further from the truth. I want to turn things around so badly.

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TubbyDuffs · 17/01/2011 11:16

Haven't read all the thread, got up to you wanting to marry him.

So, having picked myself up of the floor, I have to say WTF would you want to marry him for. You DO NOT marry someone thinking you can change them. YOU CAN'T!!!!

He is like this now, he probably will always be like this, a wedding ring won't change him.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 17/01/2011 11:16

Yes of course nice men like sex from behind, like nice women. However, whenever this is the default sexual position, it means something in the person who wants it to be like that. I'm astonished you think it's normal that he said "Why would we want to do that?" when you made a perfectly reasonable request (although, I note, passive-aggressively packaged as a joke) to face eachother when you have sex.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 17/01/2011 11:19

BTW, I think counselling would be a really good thing, if at least for you to see a RL person's face when you describe what's happening in your relationship. Maybe then you'll have a lightbulb moment and won't think we've all got the wrong end of the stick.

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:21

I know I cant hope to change him as a person, perhaps deep down I am wanting to know what he wants from me. When I ask him this he says he wants a "friendly" partner, someone who is more "friendly" towards him. I can only think he means that I should not make any challenges or nagging comments! I think that is the ultimate PA - I have to earn his love for me by never challenging him. We are both vying for conflicting things I think.

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Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:22

I dont think its all that unusual WWIFN - so your efforts to make me feel like a freak arent working! I havent got the wrong end of the stick at all, I am not completely stupid, but I want to know how to change the patterns of behaviour.

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newnamethistime · 17/01/2011 11:23

I think you really need counselling - honestly.

There has to be something very wrong when you are prepared to put up with being treated like a prostitute, and even worse, actually want to get married to someone that treats you like that.

Seriously - you need help here.

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:24

How do I get him to go to counselling then? He would rather stick pins in his eyes!

Seriously, he thinks our sex life is fine.

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newnamethistime · 17/01/2011 11:25

You yourself need counselling.

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:26

Ive been to counselling before (not for relationship issues) but I didnt find it all that helpful TBH, couples counselling I think COULD work because at least we would have to say out loud what we feel (but I know DP would run a mile). So I feel a bit stuck!

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newnamethistime · 17/01/2011 11:27

And he's calling you names in public?

Can you not see that so much of your relationship is simply horrible?

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:29

He does it in a joking sort of way. But it does wind me up. He did apologise when I went mad about it.

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Anniegetyourgun · 17/01/2011 11:41

"If I have to drag him to counselling I will!"

"How do I get him to go to counselling then? He would rather stick pins in his eyes!"

OK, which is it? Hmm

I'll let everyone handle the more important emotional stuff, but I just want to say that if you both live in a house, you both spend approximately the same amount of time in it, and have a child between you, how come the housework is all one person's job? The earning isn't all one person's job, the eating isn't all done by one person, the dust doesn't fall around one person. Two people live there and two people should be tidying up. Nagging shouldn't be necessary.

Oh, just one other thing: it may indeed be true that his previous gf shagged around. Or, for that matter, it may not. XH told all sorts of people - sometimes in front of me and worse, the DCs - that the reason we split up was because of my penchant for younger men. Total bullshit. I left him because he was an arse. I gave it 25 years of my best, by the way, but he only got worse. Just sayin'.

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:47

I know his ex GF personally and I know exactly what was going on during their relationship.

He defended her when everyone else was telling him what was going on, thats why I think he was so deeply shocked and traumatised when she finally left him for someone else. I think it has slightly coloured his view of what a relationship should be?

I realise I am sounding a bit GungHo with "dragging him to couselling" but I really do love him and want to make things work between us :(

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LittleMissHissyFit · 17/01/2011 11:48

Changing2011, I actually feel sick at these recent posts.

I honestly don't know what else to say to you.

You know you couldn't hope to change him and all he wants is you to be friendly, and yeah, you are right, that means complete subservience to him.

What about what YOU want. What do YOU want?

I would rather spend the rest of my life alone than be with a man that treated me like this.

Please read this thread as if written by a stranger and think about what you would tell the OP.

I might have to take a step back from this one for a while, it's breaking my heart to see this happening to someone so young.

Anniegetyourgun · 17/01/2011 11:50

OK, so she really shagged around. What about the housework question?

Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:53

Well. The housework question. I admit a lot of it is my fault as I tend to do things myself or want things doing My Way rather than allowing him to go without clean washing/clean cups etc, for the sake of proving my point.

Its a hard habit to break, being clean and tidy!!

I think he is just used to me doing it, or wants to do it, but in his own time. He doesnt like being told what to do. To be fair, neither do I!

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Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 11:55

LMHF - I want me, my DP and DD to have a happy family life! I dont want another break up, more upheaval, Weekend Dad.

I want a 50/50 relationship, more communication, a healthy sex life and a partner for life. Not only do I want it, I know I deserve it!

And I know who I want it to be achieved with. I refuse to beleive its irrepairable.

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newnamethistime · 17/01/2011 11:57

hope often triumphs over reality sadly