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Possessive partners....

67 replies

dabihp · 27/09/2005 18:33

Is he? Are u?

How much sh*t do u think you should put up with, b4 u tell him where to go?

\what about if u were really happy with each other, as long as you going anywhere wasnt an issue?

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MeerkatsUnite · 27/09/2005 18:40

No and no to your first question.

You should not have to put up with any at all. If its this bad now then its not going to get any better.

Cannot see how anyone could be really happy in such circumstances, a person should be allowed to come and go as needed especially if it is in order to socialise with friends and family. People who stop partners doing this are controlling them and are controllers by their very nature.

Possessiveness and controlling behaviours are closely linked.

kama · 27/09/2005 18:43

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crazydazy · 27/09/2005 20:14

He is, more than I am definitely. Won't let me go anywhere without him and/or the kids!!! Is very loving though and very protective.

dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:26

but, how much is too much?

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crazydazy · 27/09/2005 20:27

Its all too much but I just put up with it for an easier life.

dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:27

ever consider leaving?

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dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:28

do u have friends? do u ever go out with them?

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crazydazy · 27/09/2005 20:30

My friends gave up on me A LONG TIME AGO, he won't let me out with my sisters either cos they are single. Even his mates wives are a no-no too!!!

hermykne · 27/09/2005 20:30

Get a good grip on controlling behaviour
Padraig O'Morain

That's men for you: Women accuse men of being control freaks and men accuse women of the same. The issue of control is never far away when there is frequent conflict in relationships.

At one extreme, there is the man who wants to control his wife's dress, who she sees, who she is seen by and who her friends are.

At another extreme, there is the woman who bullies her partner with extreme displays of anger or by equally effective displays of depression. The latter involves taking to her bed for a week, for instance, because someone has not jumped at her command.

I'm referring here to unreasonable levels of controlling behaviour rather than normal bickering. But this level of controlling behaviour is by no means rare, as we know.

It seems to me that there are broad differences in how the genders exercise unreasonable controlling behaviour over each other.

Some men order women about, threaten them or hit them. The use of violence to control someone else seems to be more common in men, although violence by women is a feature of some relationships.

Women, on the other hand, are probably better than men at emotional warfare - anger, sulking and criticism, for instance.

Here, too, there is a crossover: some men are just as good as women at sulking and pouting when their partner fails to stay within the limits they have set for them.

Criticism and outbursts of anger can be expected to be an occasional feature of any relationship, of course.

That, I am afraid, is human nature and there is not too much we can do about it except to get over it as quickly as possible.

But excessive criticism and excessive outbursts of anger are a real problem and damage people's emotional wellbeing.

Those who exercise excessive control over other people deny the right of others to make their own choices.

This is very, very demoralising for the other person - I would go so far as to say it amounts to a psychological crime against another. In effect, the control freak is a thief who steals the other person's legitimate freedom and legitimate power.

The problem for the control freaks is that they have to keep on controlling. Human beings don't like being controlled so they inevitably slip out of control every now and then. The control freak always has to be vigilant, always has to be ready to whip the other person into line.

And, quite often, the control freak ends up losing the game. The other person tires of being limited and pushed down and eventually breaks free even if it takes years.

And while the control freak goes out and looks for somebody else, that somebody else may not stick around for too long.

There are two kinds of controlling people. One kind is the sort of person that can be reasoned with and who will give up their controlling behaviour if their partner is as assertive.

The other kind is the one who will not listen to reason and who will react violently, either physically or emotionally, if their partner makes any attempt to assert himself or herself.

In my opinion, all that any reasonable person can do with the second kind is to leave them as quickly and as safely as can be arranged. I recognise that this is not always possible, for instance, in cases where the controlling partner is likely to get custody of the children.

It may be that beneath controlling behaviour lies a deep fear. This may be the fear that if I don't control you, you will abandon me.

The person who is into extremes of control needs to look at that fear and to stop what they are doing.

Most of all, though, they need to stop what they are doing.

Looking at the fear can come later.

Meanwhile, if you find yourself getting involved with someone who you suspect is over-controlling, you may be wise to escape while you still can.

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Padraig O'Morain is a journalist and counsellor accredited by the Irish Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy.

crazydazy · 27/09/2005 20:31

Not considered leaving cos he's good with the kids and they are good with him...they would be devastated if he left.

dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:31

why stay then crazydazy?

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dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:32

what about u, dont u deserve a 'life' too? kids will be grown up one day...

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dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:47

am wondering if i am asking u or myslef these questions.

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crazydazy · 27/09/2005 20:53

Is your situation similar to mine Dahbihp?

dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:54

yes, very. by the sounds of it.

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crazydazy · 27/09/2005 20:55

Trouble is in the end they push you towards the very thing they are scared of - somebody else!!!

dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:57

apparently I am untrustworthy? i just want to go out with friends, a once off. not even to the pub. is this really too much to ask?

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dabihp · 27/09/2005 20:57

btw, would never betray him, and never had, appaerntly cant keep promises? or be back wheni said i'd be back.. or soemthing...

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crazydazy · 27/09/2005 20:59

Oh I know it only too well.....I yearn for nights with the girls!!! Even Ann Summers parties are a big thing for me!!

Trouble is if you go, he will complain about your outfit/make up/hairstyle and then tie you to a time that you will be home or locked out of the house.

dabihp · 27/09/2005 21:03

sigh.. yes.

but, what to do?

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crazydazy · 27/09/2005 21:05

TBH Dahbihp I gave up years ago!!! Keep trying to sort a night out with my sister but I see his face when I mention it and then we have a massive row.

Does your DP/DH go out himself? Mine never does and I'm sure he wants to but won't go because then I have something to hold against him so I can go.

MeerkatsUnite · 27/09/2005 21:07

Crazydazy

Women in abusive relationships tell themselves this every day, "oh he's good with the kids". You are repeating exactly what they say. Its a way of keeping you locked into an abusive relationship.

Control = abuse

expatinscotland · 27/09/2005 21:09

No.

It's not a sign of loving, caring or respecting someone. It's a sign of a controlling and manipulative behaviour.

dabihp · 27/09/2005 21:09

no he doesnt.

so, why would i want to? he asks...

"are these really the sort of ppl u want to associate with?" etc...

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MeerkatsUnite · 27/09/2005 21:11

Crazydazy and dabihp

I want you both to read this link given below:-

www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/Abuser/signs.htm