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What would you do if ExH was drink-driving with your children in the car?

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pleasereassure · 28/11/2010 20:46

H had refused to come to mediation to sort out all aspects of our divorce, despite me offering to pay his costs (I work PT and have full care of our two DCs. I am broke and qualify for legal aid). He has not paid us a bean since leaving in April this year and moving in with his current GF two weeks after leaving us.

After telling him a trillion times, over six months, that it will cost him tens of thousands of pounds to divorce through the courts, I finally persuaded him to meet me today.

He changed the location to a local pub. Whilst there, he drank two pints. He went to get a third but I questioned him about the fact he has to drive home to our DCs (who were at his house with his nan whilst we talked). He didn't have another.

I then had to go and do another errand before collecting DCs. (We live an hour away...mum was in hospital so H agreed to have the boys so I can visit her. H only sees the boys once a month - his choice. He does not phone. Ever).

Collected boys. Asked them if they had had a good day. Yes, they did. they went to Wacky Warehouse. Hmm. What did Dad drink at Wacky Warehouse. Beer. How many? Two.

Two pints at Wacky, then two pints when with me. And then he drove them. I telephoned to ask him about it (very, very nicely). He said that he hadn't...then couldn't face making out that the boys were lying and jsut said "so what?". Then hung up.

One step forward, two back. This is the third time I have had this issue with him and previously had to halt contact as H kept turning up stinking of beer to collect them in the car.

So what now? Dcs love their dad. But it's a safety issue. How can I handle this effectively?

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ItalianLady · 28/11/2010 20:48

Nothing would make me let him drive my children around again.

nancy75 · 28/11/2010 20:49

my first reaction would be to kill him tbh. I would tell him that next time he went near a car after having a drink he would be reported to the police, and i would do it.

TheProvincialLady · 28/11/2010 20:49

Your ex must not ever have them in his car again. Not ever.

onepieceoflollipop · 28/11/2010 20:50

Get legal advice on this asap; certainly before he is next due to drive them anywhere.

It sounds really worrying and stressful for you. Sad

PerArduaAdNauseum · 28/11/2010 20:50

Phone the police next time he turns up stinking of beer (as well as refusing to let him drive the kids). Don't know your history, but are you making things too easy for him? If he can't be bothered to see his children, don't make the arrangements for him... And phone the CSA!

AnyFucker · 28/11/2010 20:50

Why are you even asking ? Confused

He does not drive them again, full stop.

He does not have them unsupervised again, full stop.

Why are you making excuses ? Next time he drives to yours stinking of beer, call the police and get him breathalysed.

PerArduaAdNauseum · 28/11/2010 20:51

Nancy - why would you warn him?! I'd just do it!

AnyFuleKno · 28/11/2010 20:51

It's obvious - they do not go in the car with him again. He knew what he did was wrong, that's why he tried to lie to you, and it's not the first time. Is he an alcoholic?

mummyshreddingnora · 28/11/2010 20:52

Agree with nancy!

Hulababy · 28/11/2010 20:53

WWID?

Report Him.

Not allow the children in the car with him again.

pleasereassure · 28/11/2010 20:55

I'm just wringing my hands in despair.

He is out of control. He is on a disciplinary at work tomorrow as he went out on a "bender and woke up with sick all around me" and missed his shift at work. His GF is much younger than him and they are mixing with a party crowd. He is a BUS DRIVER!

I have been really honest with the DCs and explained to them that noone is allowed to drink mucho beer and drive a car, and that I would have to have a chat with Daddy. That it is against the law and simply not safe.

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AnyFuleKno · 28/11/2010 20:58

He changed the venue of your meeting to a pub. He'd already taken your DCs to the pub that day. He's missed work through drink. This man has a serious problem. I would be looking for some serious evidence that he is not an alcoholic before allowing more unsupervised contact.

maktaitai · 28/11/2010 20:59

Oh my God.

No advice really, just I think you are handling an impossible situation incredibly well.

I think I would talk to the in-laws if you still have a relationship with them. If not, then the police.

How about contacting Families Need Fathers? Not joking - you clearly want him to be involved or you wouldn't be trying so hard, and my understanding is that they are considered to be a reasonable organisation.

PerArduaAdNauseum · 28/11/2010 20:59

He's not your problem. He's making his own problems.

What you need to do is look after your kids, get a divorce (or at least a financial separation, enjoy your new life.

What he needs to do is grow up and take responsibility for his relationship with his kids - and it's entirely up to him to do that. And it's his choice as well.

If you're not comfortable with his behaviour around the kids - insist on supervised access. But if he tries the drive them when drinking - call the police, and explain it to the kids.

But please stop trying to look after him! If he's out of control, that's just not your problem any more. [bossy]

PerArduaAdNauseum · 28/11/2010 21:00

that was some awful typing Blush

pleasereassure · 28/11/2010 21:02

I agree with all of you!

I guess I'm still bearing the guilt of "splitting the family up" and have been doing everything in my power to ensure that the boys can still see their father. Yes, I have bent over backwards.

But this stinks. Drink driving goes against everything I stand for.

During the whole "self-mediation" thing today there was a lot of the "I will kill myself if X doesn't happen" going on. To put into perspective, H had cancer last year and went through an awful time, bloody rotten. We moved back from Australia. He behaved like an utter shit to me and went on my request...to meet new GF and move in. He has been through many changes.

But so have me and the DCs. I know I am being manipulated with the "kill myself" stuff and so I can let it go. I'm just utterly pissed off that he, once again, fucks up contact with two of the most gorgeous children on the planet.

But that's his choice. I am NOT responsible for his choices.

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ernestbear · 28/11/2010 21:02

Phone or email Crimestoppers - completely confidential - google their site - they are set up to intervene in situations like this where there is a need to report a crime but doing so in a named way would be very complicated

pleasereassure · 28/11/2010 21:05

There is some fantastic advice here and it all backs up my thinking.

Just going to re-read...

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pleasereassure · 28/11/2010 21:06

PerAdua...you are spot on.

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PerArduaAdNauseum · 28/11/2010 21:08

Yep - he had a choice in how to react to a bad diagnosis - taking it all out on you and the kids was the wrong choice. I'm sure you're happy to teach your kids that actions have consequences - sounds like he needs to learn that as well. Pecker up m'dear - things can only get better Smile

pleasereassure · 28/11/2010 21:12

YY. It's all about choices. He is making shit ones.

And I repeat, I am not responsible for his choices (must repeat that twenty thousand times a day).

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scurryfunge · 28/11/2010 21:13

Agree with phoning Crimestoppers. Just give name, address and if known, the vehicle details. Phone work too. They will have a policy on random breath tests, I expect if he is a driver.

GypsyMoth · 28/11/2010 21:18

I'm amazed that t hey sell alcohol at wacky warehouse !!!! Are you SURE they do!??

GypsyMoth · 28/11/2010 21:19

Is it a pub/ restaurant place. I meant to add!!

pleasereassure · 28/11/2010 21:28

Yes, pub. You take beer in plastic glasses.

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