Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

How long does it take?

92 replies

ChristianSalvesen62 · 20/10/2010 14:31

Hi, I've been lurking on here for a while, trying to find answers to my questions, but to no avail!

My husband of 20 years had an affair with my friend 2 years ago and, to cut a long story short, we're still together - thanks to Relate - and we both understand the reasons for the affair, etc, etc. Our relationship is so lovely now and is what we both always wanted, but were too scared to ask for, for fear of rebuff :(

My question is, how long will it be until I don't think about it every day? Oh, and how long until I trust him again?

Sometimes I feel like I'm still obsessed with all the details of the affair and I still go over conversations I had with 'her' in my mind, trying to work out why I didn't realise sooner what was going on. Even now, I'll have a light-bulb moment when I remember yet another thing she said to me and it's real meaning! Shock

My DH has been very patient, but I sometimes wonder if I am 'self-destructing'?

OP posts:
ChristianSalvesen62 · 09/11/2010 10:49

Why do you think you have been struggling with a lack of information and insights about this, for 2 years?

Lack of communication between DH & I? Not wanting to 'upset the balance' by constantly questioning him on it? But, probably, mostly because I hold DH, (and everyone else apart from my DC), at arms length and always have done. Which goes back to the 'if they can't see that I'm upset, they can't hurt me' thing. I was having lunch with my friend, (a real friend!), on Saturday and was telling her about this thread. She laughed and told me that she knows I would do anything for anyone, but I will never accept any help from other people! I've never thought about this before and when she pointed out different times when I've helped her and times when I needed help but wouldn't accept it, I realised she was right Grin These are just really minor things I'm talking about, like someone letting the dog out for me if I couldn't get home. I think I just don't like putting other people out, (even for something so small), but wouldn't think twice about doing it for them. Maybe I like to feel needed, but don't want people to think that I need them? I don't know. Maybe it's an independence thing?

Why do you think you took responsibility for things that were not your fault and in fairness to your H, were not even attributed to you?

Because we did have problems before the affair, brought on mostly by lack of communication between DH & I. Because we didn't have enough sex? And because I felt I had been a shit wife, really.
I always remember that when DH and I first got married, he used to say how he was glad I wasn't a clingy, needy (admin burden) wife, like some other wives were. Over the years I became a totally 'un-needy' wife and, eventually, he said to me that I didn't actually need him for anything. He was right. I had become so un-needy that I was totally independent. But I thought that was what he had wanted. However, secretly, he looked at other couples and felt that he would like to be needed. Which is why, in my opinion, he had the affair. He really wasn't getting what he wanted at home! All this was down to a lack of communication as usual.......
Another really low point was at the funeral I told you about. He says he wanted to hold my hand, because he could see how miserable I was, but I shook him off and stepped away. Which goes back to my previous point about not showing that I am hurting.....

Why do you think your antennae about your friend and her values was as it was?

I don't know really. Because I trusted DH, I think. I knew what she was like, but assumed it wasn't going to affect me, so chose to ignore it. She was always a 'friend' through circumstances, more than by choice, if you see what I mean?

What are your boundaries now, in terms of what treatment you will accept from others?

Since this thread started, I've realised that I was accepting exactly the same EA situation in one of my jobs, 8 years ago. At the time, I just put it down to this girl not being very nice and left the job! It's quite ironic, but I actually went on an assertiveness course 4 years ago - it obviously didn't work!!

How can your marriage support your aspirations in life now? What can you do that will bring you personal pleasure and fulfilment?
I hope that, as a result of all this heartache, my DH would come to me and talk to me if he felt unhappy again, instead of talking to someone else. And I have to learn to allow DH to get closer and to stop being so fiercely independent! I need to learn to tell him if something has upset me and let him comfort me Sad

OP posts:
WhenwillIfeelnormal · 09/11/2010 14:33

Okay Christian.

What I described as a "test the water" affair is certainly real, but the interesting thing is that there is not much about this type of affair online - and I have been searching for you so that I can give you something to read.

However, I return frequently to
this gem of an article, written by a fantastic practitioner, Dr. Frank Pittman.

I especially want you to focus on the paragraphs relating to romantic infidelity, the emotionally retarded male in love - and spiderwoman. These paragraphs deal with affairs with grossly unsuitable partners and consider the motivations of both affair partners. In your Shirley Glass book, she also talks about types of affairs and I also want you to read her paragraph about a woman she calls an "antagonist".

In your own search, you will have perhaps come across the several different affair types, but psychologists, therapists and counsellors tend to call them different names. However, you may have seen the term "exit affair" which I was alluding to in my last longer post. This is when someone wants to leave the marriage, but uses an affair as the catalyst to "exit" the relationship. Often these affairs are also with wholly unsuitable people, but they served a purpose.

However, I think it would be a mistake to regard your H's affair as an "exit affair" because when it finally came to a choice, he didn't want his marriage to end and he still had some attachment and loyalty to you.

I am about to PM you with some other reading, that will help your understanding, but would prefer that this was not for public consumption.

Thanks for your reply today. I will respond in full later, once I've reflected on its content. Let me know what you think about the reading.

ChristianSalvesen62 · 10/11/2010 22:39

WWIFN, well that made very interesting reading and gave me an insight on life from a different angle. Thank you for that.

Am finding it hard to put the Shirley Glass book down :) it keeps sucking me in every time I pass it!!

OP posts:
WhenwillIfeelnormal · 11/11/2010 13:21

Glad the reading helped Christian. Did you get some more insight into the subconscious choices people make?

I wanted to come back to last long post and the answers to the questions I posed.

I think it's interesting that you have had a fear of showing your vulnerability and it seems this has been confirmed by a friend too. It evidently extended to not showing your H just how much he hurt you, after his affair. This led to you asking no detailed questions of him. Your imagination and the false testimony of the OW, filled in the gaps.

From the unfaithful partner's point of view, it is always a false dawn to assume that if no questions or details are sought, none are needed. I wonder why your H didn't realise that this behaviour wasn't healing you and was instead making you feel worse? Perhaps he put his own comfort first again and breathed a sigh of relief that he didn't have to tell you much, about the affair?

So how do you feel now that you've got more information?
What other information would help you to move on?

Your next answer was illuminating. Has your H said that the reason he had the affair was because he didn't feel needed by you? Has he said that it was because you were a shit wife and didn't have enough sex? What has he said were the reasons for his affair? Did he ever tell you before he started his affair that he felt unneeded and that you rejected comfort?

The reason I am concerned about this response is that you still seem to be projecting what you believe, onto him. Perhaps he would cite different reasons. Perhaps he would acknowledge that he should have known you better and that you needed help at a difficult time?

This is a really important question.

What do you believe now, in terms of your responsibility for the affair?

I'm so pleased this thread has caused you to recall other occasions when you have accepted poor treatment from others. The bully at work is an interesting example. How did your H react to that, incidentally? Did you tell him how bad it was?

One of the positive outcomes than can occur after an affair is some recognition that for a time (and nearly always pre-dating the affair) we accepted poor treatment from others. The healthy response to that is to vow never to to accept that again. It can be a really positive awakening and often leads to a decluttering in our lives, of the people and situations that drain us and add no value.

To illustrate this, I will share some of my own experience. The year my H had his affair, all sorts of other unacceptable behaviour was going on in other areas of my life. Two of my newer clients were placing ridiculous demands on my business and the company was losing money because of their incompetence. It caused a lot of stress. A few other people within our circle of family and friends were also draining and giving very little back.

It did me the power of good to end the contracts with the contrary clients, giving them clear reasons why we would not do business with them and as often happens when you do something courageous and for the right reasons, my business was rewarded with newer, much better clients. I also took the "drains" in my personal life to task and established much firmer boundaries about the crap I would no longer tolerate. In doing this, I restored a lot of my self-respect.

It goes without saying that I would have zero tolerance now for any unacceptable behaviour from my H, either.

Which leads to me your next answer, where I expected you to detail the aspirations that are outside of your role as a wife and a mother. I agree that better and more honest communication and showing eachother your vulnerabilities is going to be essential to building a better marriage, but as I often do on these threads, I want you to concentrate on you as an individual.

Is there something you've always wanted to do, but couldn't justify? This could be taking up a new interest, learning a new skill, some solo therapy, making more time for truly valuable, precious friends? Have a think about that Christian but as a minimum, can I suggest you have some solo therapy?

I think it would be fascinating to discover when you first learned that it was better in life not to show hurt or vulnerability. You remembered that throwaway remark made by your H about not wanting a "needy wife", but I expect this behaviour in you was ingrained long before that, or else he wouldn't have seen the contrast with his friends' wives, at that point.

Now that you are aware of this teflon skin you've grown - and have realised that it was porous all along, how do you think you will adapt your behaviour?

I'd also like you to reflect back how your views have changed since starting this thread - and a sense of how you are now feeling, compared to when we started out. As an observation, I've noticed that you now use smilies more sparingly, which I take as progress that you don't have to pretend to anyone here any longer, that you are smiling about some of these painful issues....

ChristianSalvesen62 · 13/11/2010 22:16

Perhaps he put his own comfort first again and breathed a sigh of relief that he didn't have to tell you much, about the affair?
No, I think this is because we've been living apart for most of the two years since the affair and, when we are together, I prefer to have the nicest time possible. I really don't think he realised just how much of my life is still taken up with the whole thing and it's taken him somewhat by surprise.
So how do you feel now that you've got more information?
I do feel much better, but there are still a lot of things I want to discuss when he's home next week. Most of these are things that have come to me since I've been reading 'The Book'. There are certain things mentioned in the case studies that seem to fit our situation completely and I need to ask him if he thought this, or did that?

Has your H said that the reason he had the affair was because he didn't feel needed by you?
No, he never once said I was a shit wife, but he was convinced that everyone else in the world was getting far more sex than he was, (reading MN I find this hard to believe though), and he always made it quite plain that he felt like that. Yes, he had said the "You don't really need me for anything" thing, a long time before the affair/ detaching started and I had answered
by telling him I was only being what he had wanted me to be, which we both laughed at. In hindsight, I now see we should've been 'talking' about this,
not just laughing it off. He said that, by the time the affair started, he felt like there was nothing left between us and we were just two people sharing a house and DC. I do think that he should've known me well enough
to know that it wasn't just him I was pushing away at the funeral and that I was really struggling with what had already happened earlier that year, but I think men are just insensitive anyway sometimes?

I realise that it was totally his choice to have the affair and that, in his place, I would've made a different choice and would have stayed faithful. I don't take responsibility for the affair, but I do think that if I had made some different choices, the affair might never have got off the ground. If I could go back, I would ask him how he would feel if I asked him to give me the mobile number of one of his single friends. I can just imagine his reaction, because he's always been very jealous of my life BH (before him), and very possessive. Which is exactly why I was so horrified when I found out about his affair! Also, when I confronted him with my suspicions and he accused me of 'spying on him', I could have pushed for more information and he would
have eventually seen that it was pointless denying it all any longer. Then I would've known about the affair a good 4-5 weeks sooner.
How did your H react to that, incidentally? Did you tell him how bad it was?
Once again, he was working away from home and, though I did tell him some of what she said and did, I didn't go into that much detail. I probably told my friend more about it at the time. It's quite funny really, to realise now what I put up with from her, because about a year previously, another woman I had worked with, (in another job), was being openly picked on by our two supervisors. She never complained about this, but the rest of us hated it, until one day I couldn't take it anymore and told the supervisors that they had to stop bullying her because it was quite obvious to the rest of us that it was not only bullying, but racially fuelled bullying. While I was telling them this, all I could see out of the corner of my eye, was the 'victim' staring at me and almost imperceptibly shaking her head at me, to warn me to stop. She didn't want me to get into trouble for defending her!! So, I suppose, although I'm willing to put up with this behaviour when it's directed at me, I'm NOT prepared to put up with it when it's directed at someone else. Which makes me think maybe I see myself as stronger and more able to take it? Which might be why I never talk about things with DH? I don't know.
I think it would be fascinating to discover when you first learned that it was better in life not to show hurt or vulnerability.
Oh, I was always like that, to a degree, I think. But when I was around 20, I lost most of the people I held dear, through death, marriage, moving and being dumped! I think that was probably when I grew my Teflon skin.
When I met DH, I probably decided that it would be best to keep him at arms length, to avoid the inevitable. Unfortunately, in doing so, I maybe helped him along the way to doing just that? I know that DH was really shocked by the strength of my reaction when I found out. I think he thought I was going to say, "Okay then, off you go". So I think he now realises the way I feel - and always did. I've already adapted my behaviour with him and am much more open, loving and also more accepting of love from him.

OP posts:
WhenwillIfeelnormal · 13/11/2010 22:47

Keep going Christian and focus now on these issues:

Is there something you've always wanted to do, but couldn't justify? This could be taking up a new interest, learning a new skill, some solo therapy, making more time for truly valuable, precious friends? Have a think about that Christian but as a minimum, can I suggest you have some solo therapy?

I'd also like you to reflect back how your views have changed since starting this thread - and a sense of how you are now feeling, compared to when we started out.

ChristianSalvesen62 · 17/11/2010 11:09

This is going to sound awful, but no, there isn't really anything new that I want to do. I'm happy with how my life is at the moment and don't have loads of spare time anyway. My weekends are never long enough to do all the things I plan to do - but that's probably what most people, who work full time, would say. In the long run, I'd love to foster rescue cockers for a charity I home check for, but that's a long way off yet.

The sooner I get out of this place, the better, but there is light at the end of the tunnel now! Once I do leave, I'm certainly never coming back here!!

I laughed when I saw the bit about solo therapy - do you think I'm quite mad? Hmm

My views since starting this thread? I have to say, I do feel loads better about the whole thing, strangely enough. I've realised that I can stop worrying that he's contacting her, for one thing. He's always said that he has no feelings for her at all now, but I've worried that he's just telling me that. Now I can see that their relationship was doomed from the start really and would never have lasted in the 'real world' because of the way she lives her life. It wasn't as deep or 'special' as I had imagined - and it certainly wasn't love!
I can also see now that when I first found out, I reacted in totally the wrong way and, in doing so, I prolonged the agony! I should have made DH leave, (he had somewhere to go other than her place, lets face it), instead of trying desperately for 6 weeks to keep him happy and in my sight. That way, even if he had gone to her, he might have made his mind up faster than he did. Once they were free to do as they pleased, he would have probably realised that he wasn't in love with her a lot sooner! I should have told him from the start that we needed to sort out financial 'stuff' and maybe it would have brought him to his senses, seeing what he was about to lose. Instead I spent those 6 weeks trying to be the perfect wife and failing miserably.

I feel more in control, in as much as, if I want to know more, I'll ask and expect him to give me an answer. For the last two years, I've been scared of annoying him and pushing him away, (possibly back to her?), which is why I haven't really learnt much about it all. But now I realise that if he was going to do that, then he'd do it anyway, whether I ask him questions or not. And, from reading other threads, I can also see that I have no control over what he does, he will make his own choices, so I might as well give up trying to second guess what he'll do next. After all, what's the worst that can happen now?

OP posts:
WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/11/2010 01:18

I don't think having therapy means you're mad, Christian and I certainly don't think you are, as should be obvious, by my investment in your thread.

However, I think that if you had found a really good practitioner during the last 2 years, you would have started to feel better, sooner.

So I'm glad this thread has helped you. You've certainly made enormous progress. Let me know if there's anything more I can help you with. Smile

SparklingExplosionGoldBrass · 18/11/2010 01:33

WWIFN: Do you honestly think that people never have affairs because their officially-sanctioned partners are shits? I am not disparaging the OP in this thread, but it is not at all uncommon for people in abusive relationships to become so ground down by the abuse that the only way in which they get the strength to leave the abuser is via an affair.
Sorry for the hijack, but the idea that the 'betrayed' partner is always some saintly unsuspecting victim is simply not accurate; there have been threads on here from 'betrayed' people who have been refusing to accept that a partner is in fact trying to do the honourable thing and leave them before embarking on a new relationship.

cindystill · 18/11/2010 07:40

Sgb-I can see your point.amazing to me how people so ground down can find the energy to bother with an affair!

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/11/2010 09:30

SGB I'm baffled why you're asking that question on this thread in particular, but in any case, I've answered this before when you've asked me.

Do I think some partners are shits and deserve to be left? You bet I do.
Do I think all betrayed partners are saintly? Good grief no!
Do I think that people deserve to be deceived? No, I don't.

I have the most enormous sympathy for someone who needs to leave an abusive relationship, but lacks the courage to get out. And in that situation, I can quite see how a "rescuer" affair partner can seem like the solution. However, I think yet another relationship is actually the very worst idea for an abuse survivor, because their radar is shot to pieces and that "rescuer" often turns out to be even worse than the last one. So, much better to spend some time on one's own, healing.

Outside of the above set of circumstances however, I have no tolerance for anyone who is too weak to strike out on their own and needs the excuse of an affair to exit the relationship. Because however unsuitable the spouse, however unhappy the marriage, having an affair always involves massive deceit.

So it's not that someone doesn't deserve to be "left" because they very often deserve just that. But they don't deserve to be deceived because whatever their faults, their choices are being denied.

I can recall only one thread in the past 2 years where the "betrayed partner" turned out to be utterly barking and wouldn't let go, but even with that one, her partner was unnecessarily cruel and who knows when her deranged behaviour started?

Bizarre that you would raise that query on this thread, though, unless you haven't read all the posts.

SparklingExplosionGoldBrass · 18/11/2010 10:27

Well, I'm not sure that you are right in encouraging the OP in this situation to believe herself an utterly blameless poor little victim despite everything she's teling you, for one thing. I have read the posts and the OP keeps saying, she was pulling away from her H, the relationship was sliding into indifference etc etc and you keep saying oh no dear, it wasn't your fault in the least, your H should just have put up with it. I am not sure encouraging her to percieve him as a total villain is helpful.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 18/11/2010 10:51

Unsurprisingly SGB, I disagree with you and contrary to what you say, I don't see Christian's behaviour in her marriage as blameless, or think that this didn't contribute significantly to her relationship difficulties. I hope that you can see that her H's behaviour before his affair, was also contributory. There were faults on both sides, mainly because the communication between them was so awful.

Again, contrary to your allegation, I have never once said that Christian wasn't at fault before the affair, or that her H should have been expected to "put up" with a bad marriage. I don't think Christian should have put up with the treatment she was getting either.

However, there is a massive distinction between being jointly responsible for marital problems and being responsible for the infidelity that brought things to a head.

And once that affair started, I most certainly do see that Christian was the victim of some especially pernicious, abusive behaviour.

ChristianSalvesen62 · 18/11/2010 14:00

SGB I feel like I need to answer your post.....

DH and I been a couple for 25 years altogether. WWIFN has not made me see DH as a villain at all during this thread. On the contrary, she has helped me to see that he is NOT a villain and that the whole process probably started during a particularly bad year for us both. I don't see myself as blameless, I never did, and WWIFN never said that. She said I was not responsible for the affair itself and that it had been a choice that DH made.

Out of those 25 years, I'd say that for the last four and a half years our marriage has been 'not so good'. It's just over 2 years since my discovery of his affair, which had lasted about 4-5 months. So we're now two and a half years from the start of affair. The two years previous to it were, admittedly, the worst years of my marriage.

Before that, I would say we had 'issues' in our marriage, but nothing that made either of us terribly unhappy, except that at times we didn't have enough sex for his liking - but that's not uncommon and is maybe to be expected in a long term relationship sometimes? We didn't communicate very well, neither of us has ever been very good at talking about our feelings, but the non-communication didn't become a major problem until recently. But we certainly did not have a 'bad marriage'. Believe me, I've seen much worse! :)

Then, in 2006, we had some really awful things happen, that indirectly affected us, (WWIFN knows about these because I PMd her). That was the start of the slippery slope that ended with the affair. Communication was at an all time low and DH probably mistook my abject misery for indifference - hence the 'drifting apart'.

Also, no one on here has ever said I was 'some saintly, unsuspecting, victim' - saintly no, unsuspecting yes!

WWIFN has helped me immensely over the course of this thread, helping me to see how this all came to happen and I thank her for that. Whether you see her as right or wrong, she has REALLY helped me, personally.

At the beginning, I had no conception of the build up to an affair. I had no idea that the affair was in any way linked to what happened in the two previous years, before we even moved here. If you had read the thread properly, you would have seen the bit where I stated that DH is essentially a funny, kind and gentle man and that the relationship we have now, (and had enjoyed before), is lovely. I had no idea that what the OW was telling me was mostly rubbish and had been obsessing over things for two years. I also thought that I should be 'over it' by now, without having actually talked to DH about it properly.

OP posts:
ChristianSalvesen62 · 18/11/2010 14:01

DH and I have been a couple... Blush

OP posts:
Lolass · 18/11/2010 23:38

As I said before in another thread '' affairs normally occur in problematic marriages''. WWIFN shot me down for this comment . But I stick with that opinion. Yes, affairs happen in ''good marriages'' too where the offending partener has issues, but the former is much more common.
I think you give really good advice WWIFN and really help people, but we have all had different experiences and opinions.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 19/11/2010 11:26

Lolass if you had expressed your views on that other thread as you have here, I wouldn't have reacted as strongly. It also seems as though you have shifted your position somewhat, because you were then conveying scepticism that it was even possible for an affair to happen in a good marriage.

I understand only too well that in the aftermath of an affair discovery, we all draw on our beliefs about why affairs happen and often, those beliefs are reinforced by a lazy counselling intervention, well-meaning friends and sometimes, a guilty spouse.

However, what I've learned is that focusing on the relational causes of infidelity, to the exclusion of individual and/or lifestyle vulnerabilities, is counter-productive and never gets to the heart of why an affair happened.

It is tempting to look at the most obvious causative factors i.e. an evidently distant relationship and conclude that the disastrous combination of this, with the threat of a predatory OW/OM is what caused an affair to happen. Hence it is all too easy to conclude that if a predator hadn't come calling, nothing would have happened.

Now to an extent that last statement is true - for someone to be unfaithful, they've got to have a partner to do it with, but it doesn't get to the heart of the problem because that suggests the fidelity in your relationship is being controlled by a third party, or the absence thereof.

It also doesn't explain why people who are either similarly unhappy (like Christian perhaps was) or more pertinently, are completely dissatisfied in their primary relationship, have in the past and would in the future, turn down the opportunity to be unfaithful.

At the heart of this is the concept of the "good marriage". What is that exactly? We probably all have our own ideals and strive to achieve it. However it would be naive to think that in a long marriage especially, the entire relationship has been characterised by complete unity, regular satisfying sex and limitless romance.

The reality for most people is that it is peaks and troughs. Times when it is hellish, times when it is brilliant and vast tracts of time when it is "good enough". It is just too easy to shine a microscope on a marriage after infidelity and find causative factors within the relationship, because that doesn't explain why infidelity fails to occur in relationships that, like Christian wisely observed, are appreciably worse.

Now maybe the lack of opportunity to be unfaithful explains that in part and I am sceptical when people say they would never be unfaithful, if it turns out they've never had an opportunity. In my view, they are no more infidelity-proofed than the next person, because it simply hasn't been tested.

More pertinent then, to learn from people who have been tested, when their relationship was in a hellish phase, a good phase and when it was just ticking along, but no matter what, they still weren't unfaithful.

And how does it explain infidelity occurring in marriages that were, at that point, going through an especially good, happy period?

Now I think the challenge is to find out what's really caused it and the answers often lie in non-relational vulnerabilities. That is, a person's individual personality, character, beliefs and behaviour; their individual stories.

Then look at their lifestyle; the culture of their workplace and the beliefs that have infiltrated their moral compass. Whether infidelity is tolerated, encouraged or even celebrated and the only derision from others occurs when you get caught, or fall in love.
Whether the person spends long periods away from home, where opportunities are plentiful and physical and emotional distance make infidelity more permissible.

I have always said that affairs evidently happen in unhappy marriages and that a happy marriage is self-evidently going to be a better deterrent to infidelity, than one that has hit the buffers for other reasons.

However, since it is also true that affairs happen in happy marriages and "good enough" marriages, it is a mistake to focus on the relationship alone, because that is only part of the story and if we scrutinised all our marriages, we would find some level of dissatisfaction or disharmony. I doubt there is such a thing as a perfect marriage, all of the time. We could all find "causes of infidelity" if we looked hard enough.

I don't like talking about an OP in the third person, but in my view, it would be a mistake in Christian's case to point to the marital problems and conclude that they were the sole cause of the infidelity that occurred. They certainly didn't help, but creating a revitalised relationship in the wake of disaster is only part of the story, because this buys into the prevention myth, which is that a "happy marriage" is immune to infidelity.

Unless the other causative factors are addressed (individual and lifestyle) there is still the chance that infidelity will blight the relationship. Hence, a more holistic approach to finding cause and effect is by far the most sensible way of moving forward to a happier future.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread