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How long does it take?

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ChristianSalvesen62 · 20/10/2010 14:31

Hi, I've been lurking on here for a while, trying to find answers to my questions, but to no avail!

My husband of 20 years had an affair with my friend 2 years ago and, to cut a long story short, we're still together - thanks to Relate - and we both understand the reasons for the affair, etc, etc. Our relationship is so lovely now and is what we both always wanted, but were too scared to ask for, for fear of rebuff :(

My question is, how long will it be until I don't think about it every day? Oh, and how long until I trust him again?

Sometimes I feel like I'm still obsessed with all the details of the affair and I still go over conversations I had with 'her' in my mind, trying to work out why I didn't realise sooner what was going on. Even now, I'll have a light-bulb moment when I remember yet another thing she said to me and it's real meaning! Shock

My DH has been very patient, but I sometimes wonder if I am 'self-destructing'?

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ScaryFucker · 21/10/2010 18:14

she is bloody brilliant

ScaryFucker · 21/10/2010 18:16

I have never been in this situation (well, not since my marriage many moons ago...), but my mind has been swayed a lot since starting reading WWIFN's posts

ChristianSalvesen62 · 21/10/2010 21:40

I am coming back to answer your summary, but it'll be tomorrow as have to clean bathrooms tonight!! Grin

Thank you all for your input so far, especially you, WWIFN.

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ChristianSalvesen62 · 22/10/2010 12:23

WWIFN,answers to your very long and intuitive post. Smile

I did share the responsibility for the marriage and, in truth, DH had asked me in the January of that year, to go to Relate, as he saw us slipping further and further away from each other. I refused, preferring to believe that things would sort themselves out on their own eventually. This is why I do feel some responsibility for what happened. Things had been going from bad to worse for a couple of years prior to this and he must have felt unloved, because I had certainly distanced myself from him, both physically & mentally.

We had grown so far apart in the first few months of that year, that DH had moved out of our bedroom. I can't quite remember when he moved into the spare room, ie. whether he was already having the affair when he did. He always says he can't remember exactly when the affair started, but we know approximately when it started, because he was away and texted me to ask for her number!! Sad He did so on the context of "he had a joke that she would enjoy". Why did I give him her number? I'll never know. If I hadn't, (and had pointed out the error of his ways instead), what would've happened? Would we have finally 'talked'? Talking was never our strong point. You're right, I trusted him implicity, gave him her number and never thought anything of it...... and have spent the last two years kicking my self for that text!

"I suspect this was all about an ego boost that could have been achieved with sexual flattery and adoration and not necessarily, sexual activity"

This has been one of the sticking points in our marriage. We had got to the stage during the last couple of years, where he only touched or cuddled me when he wanted sex and because of this, I kept away from him. I knew that if I showed him any affection, he would take that as a sign that his luck was in Grin This annoyed me because all I wanted sometimes was a cuddle, so we reached stalemate. As I'm writing this I'm thinking we were doomed to fail eventually, anyway!! Maybe the ego boost could have been achieved without sexual activity, but to DH, flattery and adoration = sex to follow!

And, yes, we had absolutely got into the habit of not loving/letting ourselves love each other, let alone adoring each other.

I think DH didn't share his problems with me because he thought I wouldn't care, but he was wrong on this count. I was pretty miserable due to a number of things that had happened, (nothing to do with our marriage), but I would have listened and tried to help if he had talked to me about it.

"The person least likely to be unfaithful is the one who adores, not the one who doesn't feel adored." This is so true.

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ChristianSalvesen62 · 22/10/2010 12:25

implicitly :)

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/10/2010 12:40

Christian there will be reactionary posters reading your last message thinking "Well what did she expect? He tried to sort things out and she wouldn't."

Not me, though. There is a world of difference between understanding why infidelity has occurred and condoning it as a behaviour choice. Your H still made an awful choice. No one "drove him" to that, but the context of your relationship allows us more understanding of why this happened.

I'm still not sure whether you are blaming yourself for the affair and taking responsibility for his behaviour choice? I hope not.

I think it would be healthier to do as you are doing and taking responsibility for your mistakes in the marriage and I am hoping your H is doing the same. I assume you have reversed roles in this and asked yourself whether you would have been unfaithful if you had met a man at that time who appeared to meet your needs too? A man who was content to show you non-sexual affection and not as a prelude to sex? What would you have done? If you can honestly say that you wouldn't have responded, what would have been your barriers to infidelity?

ChristianSalvesen62 · 22/10/2010 13:58

WWIFN, I have thought about this, long and hard over the last two years, and the answer is always the same. I wouldn't have crossed the line and had an affair. This is because I am married and I would never have wanted to hurt my DH. My main barrier to infidelity though, was purely that; I am married and I don't believe in having affairs. I thought he felt the same and had, (smugly?), told OW that he would never do that to me - about 3 months before he did just that and with her..... Blush

Although we were distanced from each other, I still knew that deep down I loved him, and thought that, after all the crap that was going on around us was over, we would still be together.

We were still having sex, albeit not very often, maybe once or twice a month, until he moved into the spare room. I remember setting up a 'big' night for him (DCs away), during the affair, but he sat on the PC all evening instead Hmm and then at another point, asking him to come back to 'the big bed', but he declined.....

I am very grateful that you're taking the time to question me on my motives etc, because it is helping. I think other posters are right - you should take up counselling!!

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/10/2010 15:06

Christian I've got lots I want to say to you and your answer is interesting - and is what I thought.

You and he seem vague about the timelining of when the affair started. You trace it back to that text and I am not surprised in the least that you are in a bargaining phase where you kick yourself for giving him the number. Dangerous territory here, but is it possible that long before that request for her number - and around the time when he moved into the spare room, he had started his permission-giving process to start an affair? What rationale did he give you at the time for the spare room?

Given what you have said about your conversation with the OW 3 months before the affair started and what you and I both believe were her motives, is it possible that some ground-work went on long before that text?

ChristianSalvesen62 · 22/10/2010 15:44

WWIFN, no, I don't believe he was considering the affair back then, but I'll certainly ask him - it hadn't entered my head before now.

What I do believe is that it may have sparked some interest on her behalf though. It was as if she accepted it as a challenge. There were oh so many more conversations that she and I had, which I can now link to events, (and kick myself for).

I 'think' I know when it all started because I can pinpoint when things started to seem odd. Before that he was never away for unexplained/ badly explained hours, he was still in our bed, still always up for sex (every bloody night!), chatty - just normal really. DH has said that this was when it all started, from that text, because she answered it so quickly, so he texted back, and on it went. Then eventually it moved on to him going round to her house etc, etc.

Then the usual things started happening; the absences, the moodiness, accusing me of spying on him once, (as if!), the silences, detaching himself from all of us.......

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/10/2010 16:24

Sorry then, can you clarify whether he moved into the spare room before or after that text?

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/10/2010 17:58

Sorry, I've just re-read your first post today and you say that you cannot remember if the bedroom move happened before or after the affair started. What I am getting at is that I believe you totally when you say that the OW regarded it as a "challenge" to prove you wrong Hmm and so it seems likely to me anyway that she wouldn't have waited for him to ring or text her before she made her move.

Did you all see eachother regularly, I wonder, in the interval between your conversation with her and him texting her?

What normally happens in affairs that come out of existing friendships is that there is a process of permission-giving or justifying before the affair actually starts. Now, that might not have started until they had exchanged a few texts, but what often happens is that the spouse tries to reduce the marital connection to make it easier for him to say "yes" when the time comes. This is why I was asking about the bedroom issue.

During the "find me a justification" phase, the distancing from the spouse starts, but sometimes it can be pretty subtle and almost unnoticeable; things like the absence of small but kind gestures, non-sexual affection, compliments, interest in what you are saying etc.

When the trust default is as big as yours was, you might not have even noticed some of these things at the time, but perhaps you started to feel unsettled with life and wondered why you were feeling like this? What often happens is that you might have concluded this was because of the other things that were going wrong in your life, that you have alluded to in this thread.

What sometimes happens in this phase too is arguments seem to come from nowhere, but usually because the distancing spouse has messed something up, has forgotten something important or not done something that he has promised to do. Perhaps in the past, he would have apologised immediately, but now went on the defensive and even counter-attacked? Remember, this is all pre-affair and designed to reduce the connection.

If any of this rings a bell, remember that your H didn't do this consciously and so if you speak to him after all this time about it, he might not even remember it.

But it is a different type of behaviour to the kind you recall during the affair - and yes, what you describe is very typical of that phase.

Moving into the spare room is a very definite and aggressive act, so try to timeline this if you can and try to remember the rationale he gave for doing this.

The reasons I am getting you to think about all this is that what doesn't seem to have come out in all this story is his recollection of that "permission-giving process" or the pre-affair build-up. I would also add that in the phase I'm talking about, the spouse can also engage in all sorts of manipulation and I wonder whether the request for Relate was made, knowing that you would say "No" and therefore he couldn't be "blamed" for giving up?

What I also see happening a lot is that betrayed spouses blame themselves for their behaviour just prior to the affair and it becomes part of their "reasons for why the affair happened" story, when in actuality, the behaviour was manipulated to an extent and the clock should have been set much earlier.

ChristianSalvesen62 · 24/10/2010 19:36

WWIFN, yes we all saw each other every weekend, walking dogs together. I've asked him if he had fancied her for a while beforehand, because we'd known her for so long and I wondered if he'd always had a thing for her. But he said "No, she was just your friend, until then". I know this sounds horrible, but I'd always thought if he ever did stray, he'd at least do it with someone better looking than me Hmm

As for moving into the spare room, he regularly used to sleep in there because he snores!! So he had a valid excuse for being in there and he gradually spent more and more nights in there until I asked him to come back and he said he was happy where he was, thank you!

Yes, the arguments out of nowhere happened all the time, starting in the weeks after he had sent her the text! He picked arguments, (which was totally out of character for him), and he was very defensive all the time, taking a simple statement from me completely out of context and making it into a huge disagreement.

His idea about going to Relate was actually a very good idea, it was me sticking my head in the sand and refusing to entertain it. However, I remember thinking that if he asked me a second time, I would go. I think his asking was his last attempt to save our marriage and when I said no, he gave up. That was in the January and, I suppose, by the May, when the affair started, he had his justification? When he asked me to go, he really wanted to go - and I knew that, which is why I take some responsibility.

During the affair, (and these are the bits I obsess about), we went to OW's house for a meal and she took me to her room and made me bounce on her bed to, in her words, "see how bouncy it is, imagine having sex on it!" and she told me she called it the "whores boudoir"........

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yesyouknowme · 24/10/2010 20:35

wwifn great contribution from you as ever but I feel I need to speak out about one thing.
I do not thinkALL affairs follow "the script" and I wonder why you are always so keen to get people to agree that they do.I am sure many do, and yes, I have read the book.

The affair that rocked my marriage did not follow the script.
I know of others that did not

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 24/10/2010 22:08

yesyouknowme I have already stated on this thread that I have personally never known of an affair, either in RL or on these boards, that didn't follow the script of the unfaithful party giving less to the marriage before the affair and this was the bit of the "script" that I was referencing. I do however think that many affairs are different. I have no agenda to get people to agree on it. I can merely speak as I find, based on my own experiences.

IME too, the people who most often disagree with this theory are the people who were unfaithful themselves and are perhaps in a bit of denial about their actions. You don't say from your post whether it was you who had the affair?

Christian I will be back to post again later. Thanks for updating.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 25/10/2010 01:36

Christian tell me if I have got this straight then.

You were all in regular weekly contact with this woman. In the January, your H asked you to go to Relate and you said no. In the February you told her he would never cheat on you and this sparked off in her, a warped challenge. But she did nothing about it until he contacted her 3 months later, in May. No walks with the dogs in this period when you weren't there then?

In May, he asked you for her number out of the blue and this led to an affair with someone he saw weekly and had never regarded as a potential partner.

What does he say about what happened between that text and the agreement that this would be an affair? What was the build-up and how long did it take? What has he told you about his permission-giving process?

BTW, I expected you to say that he created arguments while the affair was ongoing, but I want you to think about what he was doing before the affair actually started - before he asked for her number. You say that after the Relate conversation in January, he "gave up" - do you mean therefore that he stopped giving to the relationship?

Finally, can you go back to the month prior to the Relate conversation. What was happening in December and around Christmas, especially involving this woman? Do you recall any interactions between them then?

ChristianSalvesen62 · 25/10/2010 14:37

No, there weren't any walks when I wasn't there. DH only came when I went. However, during the walks I did start to notice that they always agreed on things, (like music, both wanting to visit a certain country, TV programmes......). I do remember a couple of times noticing that I sort of hung back and brought up the rear on the walks :) I think I might've even mentioned this to DH once and he said he hadn't noticed. I also think I might've been content to let them do the talking because I was miserable anyway!! DH seems to think that she and I had the challenge/conversation about him in March as that would tie in with him being away again.

DH & I talked about dates / meetings on Friday night and I was quite surprised by some of his answers. He told me that he only ever went to her house about 6 - 8 times, during the whole affair. He said they had sex every time, but they never had penetrative sex. The visits to her house followed about a month of what I call 'sexting' (sex texts). I know she used to send him photos, because she made sure I knew after I found out and she made sure I knew exactly what they 'sexted'. He said the original 'joke' text was quickly followed by sexting. I personally think that the joke he sent her was a test, to see if she was going to be receptive, so you're right (as usual :) ) in that there was obviously a period of building up to 'allowing' himself to have the affair.

Before the affair, he was grumpy and difficult to live with!! When I said he gave up, I meant gave up trying to have sex with me, gave up communicating, gave up bothering to even talk much to the DCs. He just gave up caring, I think.

The Christmas wasn't good, but I think I'm always a bit deflated between Christmas and New Year, because of the mad build up to Christmas, (which I love) and then suddenly it's all over Grin I don't think he'd even thought about her in that sense by then. (Am going to have to ask him now, though!!!) She did come to a Christmas do with us. I used to invite her to things because, I suppose in my 'smugness', I felt sorry for her and hoped she'd meet a man. Just not mine ......

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 25/10/2010 15:50

Wow, the thing I was most shocked about in your last post is that you were surprised when you talked on Friday about dates and times. You still don't actually know how many times they met and had sex and you are 2 years on from the affair. No wonder you've been having trouble getting past this, Christian Sad.

Right, so let's have a recap here. At some point long before the affair started and he had tested the water with that text joke (I'm assuming it was a innuendo-laden one) your H and this woman engaged in a process of "mirroring" about their likes and dislikes. This (probably entirely false) discovery that they liked the same things is a well known process that affair partners go through on the run-up to an affair. Meanwhile you are "dragging up the rear" and feeling excluded, probably because you can't pretend to like Coldplay, Spooks or admit a previously unknown desire to visit China Hmm. This was a process of "grooming" - make no mistake.

How did I guess that the OW was at a Christmas event with you? How did I guess that you felt bad that Christmas and put it down to you always feeling a "bit flat" in the interval between Christmas and New Year?

You also say that you were miserable about life on those walks with the dogs and that this meant you let them effervesce about their amazing shared interests. What were you miserable about and with hindsight, were there ever times when you were surprised by just how low you were feeling, wondering whether your misery was disproportionate?

This is what happens during the pre-affair period. The partner who is imminently going to be betrayed starts to feel unsettled, but because their trust default is enormous, infidelity is the last thing on their mind. So they pin their misery on other things, but might briefly wonder why they are feeling this bad.

At last we have established that he was grumpy and difficult before the affair. He stopped giving to not just you and your relationship, but to the DCs too. I bet this got much, much worse when the affair "went live", right up until discovery.

Have a look at the following chronology of an affair and the effect on the betrayer's behaviour:

Initial friendship/mirroring stage: No danger is perceived and the friendship feels "safe". Mood might be even better at home, since the spouse has an extra "spring in their step" as they start to look forward to interactions with the affair partner. Just before the end of this phase, spouse starts to notice more faults in their partner. If they are feeling down, upset or miserable, whereas once there would have been concern and care, now there is irritation. He will start showing affection at inappropriate moments, coming up behind her when she is putting something in the oven or at the sink. When she doesn't respond in kind, he will sometimes verbalise that "most people would be glad their husband of 20 years still wants them" while internalising "Hmmm...my female friend wouldn't do that..."

Meanwhile female friend is gushing about how much she misses sex, how she has always loved it, how she has done up her bedroom in the hope of it seeing some action, how she has never been known to say "no". We all know the script, don't we?

Pre-affair permission-giving stage At the start of this, there is still no conscious acknowledgement that an affair is on the cards, or that an opportunity will be accepted. But sub-consciously, the spouse realises that he needs to reduce the marital connection to create a gap that will allow him to say "yes" when the time comes.

So he stops doing things that will keep the connection going. He will botch things up, forget tasks that are important to her, stop doing things that make her life easier. If she remonstrates (even kindly), he will go on the counter-attack and accuse her of "nagging". She will think "How come I'm the bad guy here?" A disproportionately bad argument has come out of nowhere and about something relatively trivial.

He will restrict affection to just before sex, knowing that his partner will refuse sex because she feels unloved. This situation is a complete manipulation.

Having been selfish, grumpy and lazy all day, he will wait until she is almost asleep and ask for sex. When she says no, he will chalk it up as another point against her.

He will set tests that he knows she can't or won't comply with. A surprise weekend without the DCs, but so imminent that there is no childcare sorted or arrangements made. A night out to somewhere she won't want to go. The trip to Relate may or may not fit in here.

He might start to say things in company that jar and hurt a little.

On and on it goes, until the connection between the couple is reduced and it is therefore much easier to give himself permission to say yes to the affair partner's agenda, which is now becoming clear. He still won't admit that this is his agenda too.

Affair Stage Behaviour at home is now markedly worse. Arguments happen not just in response to complaints of the unsuspecting spouse, but because of complaints by the unfaithful party. He finds fault with everything and everyone. He becomes openly critical and horrible to be around. He appears to be disproportionately stressed and angry. The spouse reacts with disbelief, concern and more latterly, anger. Other people start to notice and the DCs suffer too. Occasionally, the unfaithful party starts having uncharacteristic arguments with other people.

Meanwhile, however bad things have got for the faithful spouse, if a man came on the scene and offered everything her spouse wasn't at that point, she would still say "No" because she wouldn't be unfaithful and can still love, in the face of horrible treatment. Instead, she blames herself to some degree.

Does this resonate at all for you Christian?

ChristianSalvesen62 · 26/10/2010 10:11

I did 'own' up to not having any interest in going to visit the country they both fancied visiting. It transpired later that their big plan was to emigrate together to said country, which was quite handy for her because, without my DH, she didn't stand a chance of getting in - but with him (and his job) she could do it. Hmm

What she hadn't told him, but had told me on one of our walks, was that she also wanted a baby, 'before it was too late', (she's in her forties). DH was horrified when I told him this after I found out. She also texted me (after) to tell me that they were emigrating and DH wouldn't need his DCs as they were going to have a baby of their own.
She told me so many things whilst he was away, that I now realise were about her and him. Things about sex, plans they were making, this man's saddo wife, all the while making it seem like it was about someone else we both knew. I even started to think about warning the 'saddo woman' about what was happening :)
Reading the chronology of an affair, I can relate to the whole flaming process! I think it started a lot earlier than I had imagined, probably at least 6 - 12 months before the affair.
I have to admit that, when my suspicions were first aroused, I thought "No, she wouldn't want him because he's such a miserable, grumpy git" Then I thought "Well, she's welcome to him, she'll soon send him back!"

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 26/10/2010 11:40

Christian a few questions, before I comment on your last post.

When you say you relate to the chronology of the affair, can you say more? Was there anything in that list that wasn't happening? Or anything extra, that at the time, you didn't give much thought to?

Also, can you tell us when the affair ended and how it came to be exposed? What happened then, especially the message he gave to the OW?

It is clear that you were the victim of a particularly awful type of emotional abuse by this woman. Did your H know that this was happening at the time? Did you talk to him about the news that your friend was seeing a married man etc.? Did she tell him that she was doing this and what did he say?

Why didn't they have penetrative sex?

ChristianSalvesen62 · 26/10/2010 13:01

WWIFN, I have PMd you about the some of the things that were making me so miserable, because some of it might identify me to friends. Blush

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 26/10/2010 13:05

Thank you. See my last post and hopefully you can answer some of those questions.

ChristianSalvesen62 · 26/10/2010 14:16

The only thing I don't remember happening was OW talking about sex overly much. I remember one conversation we had, but can't remember whether DH was even with us at the time. I don't think he was.
The affair ended after 4/5 months and because I realised what was going on. I, (slowly), put two and two together and then asked him. He denied it and accused me of spying! I let it drop for about 5 weeks and told myself I must've got it wrong. I even went to the doctors because I thought I was going mad / menopausal :) Things went from bad to worse and DH all but stopped speaking to me. Then one day he emailed me at work, to say he was moving out. He did so and came round every night to see the DC/dog. After a week of this I started questioning him and eventually he admitted (by text) to having an affair with OW. That's when OW started texting me all the things they'd done and were planning together, telling me my marriage was over before DH 'turned to her for support' (my ARSE!!). DH spent the next 6 weeks 'dithering' and then told me he wanted to be with her. He trotted out the old 'I love and care about you, but am not in love with you' line. I have to say that at that point, I just wanted to curl up and die! Not only because I'd lost him, but because I'd lost him to someone like her! Three days later I saw him again and told him we needed to sell the cars, sort out the bank account, etc. At this point he said he'd made the biggest mistake of his life and didn't want to split up.
I've never been sure whether this was true or whether she finally sent him away. I think it's true because of something she later did in an effort to split us up again.
DH didn't know about the conversations I had with OW, for some reason I chose not to tell him - not even sure why!! I have since though.
Apparently, they didn't have penetrative sex because DH and I didn't, (at the time), and he said if they had done, that would have been admitting that our marriage was over. I only believe this because she told me the same thing in one of her texts, the morning after I found out.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 26/10/2010 14:30

Yes, but did he know what the OW was doing to you while the affair was ongoing?

And what does he tell you he said to the OW at the end of the relationship?

ChristianSalvesen62 · 26/10/2010 15:08

Oh sorry :)

No, he didn't know what she was doing and was horrified when I mentioned their 'baby' - his face was a picture Grin He had always made it clear to me that he didn't want anymore DCs, as I had wanted another one (many moons ago and not a factor here).

He has told me he started to get worried when she presented him with printed details of her research into how much of his pension/money I would be entitled to and how much they would get to keep.

He's always said he told her that he'd made a mistake and that he loved me and wanted to stay with me and work on his marriage. I've never had any reason to doubt this, because she tried to cause trouble for us about 3 weeks later, but it didn't go as she planned.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 26/10/2010 17:47

Christian So you have accepted now that the clock should have been set much earlier and that this horror started possibly a year before you thought it had.

That's a hell of a realisation.

I want you to think some more about this, because you've been carting around a script that you had detached from him for up to 2 years before the affair. How possible is it that this was the other way around?

You see, you were having a truly horrible time with external events in your life. At least one of those things should have been troubling your H as much as you. Your friend would have known about this too.

Their joint response however, was to pile more agony on your plate and kick you while you were down. There is far more to forgive here than infidelity, Christian.

It seems clear to me now that your true story has emerged, that the Relate counsellor should have dug a lot deeper here.

What is also clear is that you were the victim of a particularly horrible kind of emotional abuse. Do you think however, you might be in denial about how complicit your H was in that? His only reaction to what this woman was saying to you during the affair seems to be about the effect on him, being identified as a sire to a child. What was his reaction then, to what she did to you?

It's also evident that a lot of stuff has been unknown to you, until this thread. You didn't know until Friday, how many times he went there and the number is still vague. You didn't know whether he had been interested in her beforehand.

Put together all of that; the false script, the erroneous blame you have been taking, the emotional abuse, the lack of information and it's no wonder you can't let this go and find yourself re-living conversations.

If you have gained anything out of these past few days, I hope that you have reframed your story more accurately and have stopped blaming yourself for causing this terrible treatment. I've got to wonder why your H has not challenged you on this and why he has let you take the blame for things that were not your responsibility?

Now being generous to him, it's possible that because he has never been forced to confront some of this stuff, he has been in denial himself, but it's crucial that you get together as soon as possible and re-construct the story of the affair and the story of your marriage that led up to it, because the story you've settled on up until now was false.

When you get the book delivered, make sure you both read it. If you can afford it in fact, buy 2 copies so that you can compare notes at the same time. I also want you to do some of the exercises in the book together, especially a fascinating one about timelining your relationship.

It's never too late to learn all of this, but it is the key to resolving your trauma, I am certain of it.

You might also find that going to a therapist on your own would be of value, because you poor woman, you have been to hell and back and I'm worried that you haven't had a proper outlet to discharge your grief at some of the stuff you've been victim to.

What I want you to do most of all is to stop beating yourself up for being a trusting woman, both to your H and your friend. No-one could have brought this on themselves - place the responsibility for this firmly where it lies.

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