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she wants to leave - any advice please

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saddad1 · 18/08/2010 12:34

Hello, I was hoping that I might be able to get some advice from a women?s point of view. My wife of 10 years is leaving me, she says that she has been unhappy for a long time and that although she has tried to tell me, I haven?t been listening. We have 2 young children between 3 and 5 and I am so worried and sad about what life will be like for them, for my wife and for me. Currently I work full time and she stays at home with the children, we have a decent home, good friends and enough money that we get by without struggling. I admit that I have been very selfish in our relationship, I do a lot of extra activities football 6 hours a week, going to the pub with other dads once a month and I have a volunteer position which means that I am on call in the evenings and one day per weekend. She does not have any external hobbies but normally goes out with her old school friends for a blow out once a month. All these activities mean that we don?t spend much quality time together and to be fair, when we do we don?t really communicate and a lot of the spark we had is gone, much of this I think has to do with the both of us becoming a bit complacent in our relationship. I know that we have been unhappy for a while but I didn?t realise that things had got to this point for her until about 8 weeks ago when she first said that she was thinking about leaving - it has gone from bad to worse since then with many tears, I realised about 10 weeks ago that I had been pushing her to far with trying to save money (I made up a budget based on how much I spend a month and gave her the same amount), and making her feel that she didn?t have the right to spend money (these are her words not mine as I never realised that I was making her feel that way ? she had mentioned that she felt that way before but I tried to tell her that I didn?t feel that way and thought she understood that), and was trying to mend the problem before she told me how she was feeling. She also says that she never really felt like I loved her as much as she loved me which is not true. Intimacy has never been an issue ? but not as frequent as I would have liked and she says that I have made her feel obligated at times due to her being stay at home mum ? this is your duty type of thing and because it is a lot less frequent than I would like I can see how my sometimes negative comments about it would seem like that. I have a few bad habits such as smoking and drinking to excess every now and then (ironically a lot more now during all this ? it doesn?t help the situation), even when she has been out and I am looking after the children and I know that there are more points of my personality which she doesn?t like, I have in the past made some terrible decisions and have been a very mean and selfish person ? but these are slips in our relationship not the norm, I have never cheated on her and I am not abusive. I am a good father and provider and a decent person and not that bad of a husband ? a husband who is at least willing to change. She also says that she still loves me (and always will as we have a beautiful family together) and likes me, she is just not in love with me and her heart says that in order for her to be happy she know she has to be on her own with the children, unfortunately for me I am still completely in love with her and love our family. Although she would never deny me any time with the children I cant help feeling this will be a horrible experience for them and us as a family and although I know my weaknesses and faults I am willing to change them in order to keep us together and although some of them have been around for a lot of years and i have known she doesnt like certain things - i havnt made any real effort to change all of them, but some of them i have for her and for the family, unfortunately she says there are just too many things that would have to change and it is too little too late, and that she has never wanted to change me - how can you not want to change someone but still want them to be a different person? I am willing to do anything to keep the family together and I know that if she leaves she will have to move into a flat, probably in a not very nice area with not very nice schools or people - all of this cannot be better for the children then being in a home with both parents who (although one half is miserable), have a strong foundation to build on and surely the feelings can return with a bit of hard work - cant they? She says her career has been put on hold due to the children and that she wants her independence back and wants to be closer to her family - I have explained that she can have all these things and I am willing to move (as she hates where we live due to her family being 30 miles away and the lack of good schools in the area ? I have never wanted to move as it would mean sacrificing on space, money and giving up a lot of my things ? and our friends), help get her career back on track and try to give her space - anything really. I realise that a lot of my actions (or lack of them), have led to this point but as it wasn?t staring me in the face until now I didn?t do anything to change it, however, she keeps saying that now it?s too late. She says that I can have the house and that it would be a good idea to keep it so the children have a home to come to when they visit me, also it is not worth selling it as we would be lucky to break even. She has no money to move out with so is going to go on benefits and with maintenance from me as she cant afford to go back to work until our youngest is school age. I have said that I will not help her leave me, as I am not ready to give up on our relationship how can I? I completely love her and think that she is an amazing person, I cant see life without her and at the same time I cant see not being there in the mornings to kiss my children goodbye and not being there every night to kiss them goodnight - I know that these things are also a bit selfish - but are surely worth fighting for. When someone gets to this point can they be swayed, what else can I do to make her realise this is a huge mistake? All those times that she suggested something and I just put it down to being a bad idea or nagging ? were those the times when I needed to change my behaviour? How can it be possible for someone to think that the family would benefit more from being apart and living on the dole then being together as a family and trying to work things through? What can I do to show her?
Sorry for the long post, first time user and I didn?t realise how this would just keep going once I started writing it down.
Any thoughts or opinions (try not to be too harsh) are appreciated.

OP posts:
luciemule · 18/08/2010 15:30

that was a joke btw, I wasn't intending to sound mean.

2kids2dogsandahorse · 18/08/2010 15:32

About 10 years too late IMO :( She must be a bloody saint to have stuck it out that long, and if she just wants out, no house or anything then I personally don't think there's much you can do to stop her. This is a woman who's ready to leg it I'd say.

Oh wait, there IS something you can do. For once in your selfish little life you can do what SHE wants. You be the man, walk away, give her the house and the kids and BE NICE to her for once FFS. Rather than whinging and trying to manipulate her into staying with you.

Bugsnbites · 18/08/2010 15:39

She probably doesn't want the house. Wouldn't it likely be sold as part of a divorce settlement if she and the kids aren't in it?

snoobiesmummy90 · 18/08/2010 16:47

Oh dear, seems to me that for far too long its all been about your needs, resentment has set in for so long wife now realises that she may as well be single parent because she can have control over her life, her needs etc. Right now if I was her I would be thinking that there is no merit in staying with a man who frankly couldnt give a monkeys how unhappy she is. She has tried to tell you, you have failed and choose to ignore warning signs. Put yourself in her shoes for once, her life isn't her own. where is the happiness for her? Lets get it straight being a stay at home mum IS A FULL TIME JOB but without the pay! Why is it she hasn't left you sooner????? Sorry but the truth hurts!

hairytriangle · 18/08/2010 17:33

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it, OP?

It sounds like you have been truly, truly selfish and controlling, and only now that she's had enough, you realise it.

I don't know what to say to you except grow up, be a man, and fight for your marriage by making genuine changes and treating your wife as the equal she is.

shimmerysilverglitter · 18/08/2010 17:47

Brilliant post Colditz.

I can't really add to it, except to say that the OP brought tears to my eyes and not just through the lack of paragraphs! But because I was that woman. I identify with your wife so much OP.

Unfortunately by the time I gave up on my relationship with my ex I had totally fallen out of love with him and there was and is no chance of getting it back. I think a lot of women feel like this ie put up, put up, put up until they break and there is nothing left to build on. I rather suspect this might be the same for you OP.

My advice to you would be to back off completely. Don't try and browbeat her or convince her to give you another chance, it will just make her did her heels in. Back off and start being generous towards her, in free time for her, ideas for HER future and financially etc. For 10 years you have ridden over her feelings and made her feel like a non person, not important etc. Stop it NOW, show her something different and MEAN IT.

expatinscotland · 18/08/2010 18:19

Well, on the plus side, all those years you spent not willing to move a mere 30 miles so you could be near your friends and hobbies mean you'll have some shoulders to cry on when she leaves.

Hope she finds us here! We'll be able to help her get back on her feet and get back in touch with herself.

2kids2dogsandahorse · 18/08/2010 19:33

I meant that I see it that if she doesn't even want the house then she really wants out poor woman :(

And as for this banging on about her and your kids living in a grotty flat somewhere WFT don't you move out so she and the kids can stay put - or if the house has such bad memories for her (can understand that one 100%) let her sell it and buy somewhere else for HER and YOUR kids to live in.

WFT should they struggle in some grottsville flat why you stay in the house when you could do the decent thing and give her the proceeds from the sale of it. Seems to me it's the least you can do after spending the last 10 years treating her like a drudge/nanny/prostitute Angry

SweetGrapes · 18/08/2010 20:02

She wants out because she thinks you are selfish and she has had enough. And your response is to do the selfish thing once again and make it as difficult as possible for her to move out.
So the way to convince her that you will turn a new leaf Hmm

Quattrocento · 18/08/2010 20:11

If you want to save your marriage, then you have to put her needs on a par with your own.

So,

  1. Sell the house and move to where she wants to live and can get the support she so patently isn't getting from you
  1. Stick to your budget but make sure it is fair (are you really sure you've been fair?)
  1. Enable her to go and work part-time at least to regenerate her career. This might mean paying for childcare. This might mean YOU get less money in the short-term.
  1. Never demand sex. Sheesh, do you realise how unattractive men are when they demand sex. Have your hands been amputated?
expatinscotland · 18/08/2010 20:20

LOL @ Quattro! Good to 'see' you. :)

I think we've scared the OP off.

'I guess I've been selfish.'

No shit, Sherlock!

shimmerysilverglitter · 18/08/2010 20:41

Grin.

emmyloulou · 18/08/2010 20:53

Where has op gone? Didn't like the truth so ignored everyone like his wife?

Op lightbulb moment 10 years too late I am afraid, sounds to me she has left you already in her head, once you are at that stage it's too late.

expatinscotland · 18/08/2010 20:56

No, he'll come back and thank the one or two posters who could just tell what a great guy he is. And make a comment to the one who believes she has someone else because of course, that's it. No one would ever want to leave someone like him so badly she's ready to go into temporary accommodation and then wind up in a flat on a sink estate.

Here's hoping, however, he's mastered indentation.

Quattrocento · 18/08/2010 20:57

Hello Expat!!! Good to see you, too!

Have been away. Has anything exciting happened?

xx

expatinscotland · 18/08/2010 21:04

Nothing particularly exciting, Quattro. The usual - benefits bashing, formula feeding bashing, WOHM bashing, sprinkled with a few dashes of insanity and a pinch of misogyny.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2010 21:23

OP...are you still reading ?

verysadwife · 18/08/2010 21:31

Er hello everyone, thank you for taking the time to read and reply.
I am the wife of saddad1.Blush He knows that i'm a regular here so was probably hoping that I would read this and here I am.
He has not replied because we have been to Relate this evening and he is now at football... perhaps he will reply later or read and runHmm Anyway, I have cried (and laughed somewhat hysterically) my way through and just wanted to say a massive thank you to all of you. For the record the only man i've been seeing is my solicitor.

expatinscotland · 18/08/2010 21:31

I have a feeling we're talking amongst ourselves now, AF.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2010 21:33

oh fuck, the wife has turned up

bingo

Biscuit
Angelcat666 · 18/08/2010 21:35

What Colditz said.

The only thing that surprises me is that it's taken her so long to decide to leave a self centred, selfish bastard like you.

As for having to go onto benefits, when I split from my ex I had to go on benefits but I was happier then I'd been in a long long time.

TheCrackFox · 18/08/2010 21:42

He has still gone to football? Shock

verysadwife, do you find it a leeetle creepy that your DH is trying to communicate with you via an internet forum?

arfarfa · 18/08/2010 21:42

There's certainly a lot about him, in what he writes. He must think he's very important.
There's certainly a lot about her in many of the responses. Lots of people obviously think that she's very important.
The children? As usual, sacrificed on the 'Altar of Parental Self Importance'.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2010 21:46

please, ladies do not interact with the trollz

verysadwife · 18/08/2010 21:48

Hi, I know it's strange but I guess he is desperate.
Sorry to disappoint but we are a real couple having an awful time, we are not laughing just very sad.

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