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she wants to leave - any advice please

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saddad1 · 18/08/2010 12:34

Hello, I was hoping that I might be able to get some advice from a women?s point of view. My wife of 10 years is leaving me, she says that she has been unhappy for a long time and that although she has tried to tell me, I haven?t been listening. We have 2 young children between 3 and 5 and I am so worried and sad about what life will be like for them, for my wife and for me. Currently I work full time and she stays at home with the children, we have a decent home, good friends and enough money that we get by without struggling. I admit that I have been very selfish in our relationship, I do a lot of extra activities football 6 hours a week, going to the pub with other dads once a month and I have a volunteer position which means that I am on call in the evenings and one day per weekend. She does not have any external hobbies but normally goes out with her old school friends for a blow out once a month. All these activities mean that we don?t spend much quality time together and to be fair, when we do we don?t really communicate and a lot of the spark we had is gone, much of this I think has to do with the both of us becoming a bit complacent in our relationship. I know that we have been unhappy for a while but I didn?t realise that things had got to this point for her until about 8 weeks ago when she first said that she was thinking about leaving - it has gone from bad to worse since then with many tears, I realised about 10 weeks ago that I had been pushing her to far with trying to save money (I made up a budget based on how much I spend a month and gave her the same amount), and making her feel that she didn?t have the right to spend money (these are her words not mine as I never realised that I was making her feel that way ? she had mentioned that she felt that way before but I tried to tell her that I didn?t feel that way and thought she understood that), and was trying to mend the problem before she told me how she was feeling. She also says that she never really felt like I loved her as much as she loved me which is not true. Intimacy has never been an issue ? but not as frequent as I would have liked and she says that I have made her feel obligated at times due to her being stay at home mum ? this is your duty type of thing and because it is a lot less frequent than I would like I can see how my sometimes negative comments about it would seem like that. I have a few bad habits such as smoking and drinking to excess every now and then (ironically a lot more now during all this ? it doesn?t help the situation), even when she has been out and I am looking after the children and I know that there are more points of my personality which she doesn?t like, I have in the past made some terrible decisions and have been a very mean and selfish person ? but these are slips in our relationship not the norm, I have never cheated on her and I am not abusive. I am a good father and provider and a decent person and not that bad of a husband ? a husband who is at least willing to change. She also says that she still loves me (and always will as we have a beautiful family together) and likes me, she is just not in love with me and her heart says that in order for her to be happy she know she has to be on her own with the children, unfortunately for me I am still completely in love with her and love our family. Although she would never deny me any time with the children I cant help feeling this will be a horrible experience for them and us as a family and although I know my weaknesses and faults I am willing to change them in order to keep us together and although some of them have been around for a lot of years and i have known she doesnt like certain things - i havnt made any real effort to change all of them, but some of them i have for her and for the family, unfortunately she says there are just too many things that would have to change and it is too little too late, and that she has never wanted to change me - how can you not want to change someone but still want them to be a different person? I am willing to do anything to keep the family together and I know that if she leaves she will have to move into a flat, probably in a not very nice area with not very nice schools or people - all of this cannot be better for the children then being in a home with both parents who (although one half is miserable), have a strong foundation to build on and surely the feelings can return with a bit of hard work - cant they? She says her career has been put on hold due to the children and that she wants her independence back and wants to be closer to her family - I have explained that she can have all these things and I am willing to move (as she hates where we live due to her family being 30 miles away and the lack of good schools in the area ? I have never wanted to move as it would mean sacrificing on space, money and giving up a lot of my things ? and our friends), help get her career back on track and try to give her space - anything really. I realise that a lot of my actions (or lack of them), have led to this point but as it wasn?t staring me in the face until now I didn?t do anything to change it, however, she keeps saying that now it?s too late. She says that I can have the house and that it would be a good idea to keep it so the children have a home to come to when they visit me, also it is not worth selling it as we would be lucky to break even. She has no money to move out with so is going to go on benefits and with maintenance from me as she cant afford to go back to work until our youngest is school age. I have said that I will not help her leave me, as I am not ready to give up on our relationship how can I? I completely love her and think that she is an amazing person, I cant see life without her and at the same time I cant see not being there in the mornings to kiss my children goodbye and not being there every night to kiss them goodnight - I know that these things are also a bit selfish - but are surely worth fighting for. When someone gets to this point can they be swayed, what else can I do to make her realise this is a huge mistake? All those times that she suggested something and I just put it down to being a bad idea or nagging ? were those the times when I needed to change my behaviour? How can it be possible for someone to think that the family would benefit more from being apart and living on the dole then being together as a family and trying to work things through? What can I do to show her?
Sorry for the long post, first time user and I didn?t realise how this would just keep going once I started writing it down.
Any thoughts or opinions (try not to be too harsh) are appreciated.

OP posts:
NonnoMum · 18/08/2010 13:12

Give her your whole pay packet each month, but keep a nominal amount (£50) for yourself for the odd treat (haircut/the odd pint/packet of mints)

Rollergirl1 · 18/08/2010 13:13

Well she has been trying to tell you for a long time and you have been denying her her feelings, as if you don't really believe what she is saying. And you are still doing that to a degree now, when you say how can someone possibly believe that it would be better to be apart and on benefits than staying together. Well she obviously does think that life would be better then being with you at the moment.
You need to start taking the things that she says seriously. Then I think you need to show her that you mean business (rather than just mouthing platitudes) and that you will change and start putting her and the kids first.

I think that you should reiterate to her that you really want to make things work. But that you realise that she is at the end of her tether and that you have pushed her too far. I think you should suggest that you move out of the family home temporarily. This will give her some head space and some time to think about what she really wants without you around confusing matters. I think you owe this to her. Why should she go and have to take the kids away from their home and their safe enviroment.

Then I think you should suggest marriage counselling and actually set the ball rolling by setting up an initial appointment.

Hopefully the above will help to persuade her that you are serious about making your marriage work.

Good luck!

Bugsnbites · 18/08/2010 13:21

Agree with Colditz. If she's not asking for the house, Relate is unlikely to help this situation. She just wants out and to be in charge of her own life.

Right now she sounds like she just wants shot of you. But I suspect that if you are heartless and selfish in the split, she will become increasingly angry. All of which will spill out to a lawyer.

So try to be the good guy. Who knows, you may even to able to regain her confidence if you really do change and start putting her needs and the children's needs first.

luciemule · 18/08/2010 13:28

Whenever you talk to your wife, make sure the kids aren't there. It would be awful for them to have to listen to you both disucssing it.

RudeEnglishLady · 18/08/2010 13:31

Sorry Saddad1 but I think she's had enough and rightly so. Its all about you isn't it? Also, how would you know if it will make your children happy or sad - sounds like you are never in the house. Do you know how happy or sad they are right now?

My best advice is that you do help her to leave you, in fact be an angel and you move out so she doesn't have to uproot your children. If you are mega-serious about changing and making her happy and you can prove it with proper gestures and actions and not just whiney words she might even have you back in 6 months. Sounds like that would be a great way to prove yourself and win her love and affection back.

I wouldn't tolerate your current behaviour, you need to pull something big out of the hat to save this. Good luck.

gardenpixie · 18/08/2010 13:40

Saddad I agree with the people who have suggested action and counselling.

My (now) DH and I went through a really rocky patch where he was doing many of the things you say you might have done - not listening etc etc. From my experience, the hardest thing was feeling trapped in a relationship that I didn't believe would ever change.

You need to convince her you are taking this seriously and that you are prepared to change before you can get into discussions about whether she can think about staying.

It is great that you've realised what might need to change and where things might have gone wrong - but actions speak much louder than words.

You need to show her that her choice isn't between being unhappy with you or living by herself and with the kids off benefits. If you can demonstrate (rather than just talk about) the third option of working at the relationship and hopefully getting to a happier place for all of you, she might give it another chance.

I agree with what other people have said: book counselling sessions (do it now) and tell her you want to discuss all options, not just staying together; cut down on the lads nights out and footie time; think of something you can do to help her have time to herself.

Really good luck with this - it is clear from your post that you love her very much. Just don't assume that loving her is enough; make sure she feels loved as well.

expatinscotland · 18/08/2010 13:44

I can't even read the OP.

It gives me a headache.

You did not consider how the public views your opening posts, you just launch in and drone on.

I can only imagine how his poor wife feels.

msboogie · 18/08/2010 13:44

oh jesus. I can't imagone how she stayed ten years with you.

You sound awful - wanting to be congratulated and held up as an exemplary husband because you don't beat her or cheat on her?

Do me a favour.

How can you have come to all of this enlightenment now when you have been blind to it for ten years?.

The way your post is worded shows that you are still the same self centred, selfish know-it-all you have always been.

Help the woman to move out for god's sake then go to the ends of the earth to win her back, if you must.

expatinscotland · 18/08/2010 13:54

Finally trudged through it.

All I can say, and I speak from experience, is that if someone is willing to go through homelessness and lone parenthood on the dole rather than stay with a partner, he/she must be a pretty shite partner.

You sound really controlling, immature and selfish, like you just continued living your single life after having kids. That's not a good example for kids to see growing up, nor is someone who gets drunk around them.

Go to counselling so you can learn how to better be in a partnership next time round (and make sure it's a long time before that next time round) because this woman is done with you.

And I can't say I blame her.

dogfish · 18/08/2010 14:37

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AnyFucker · 18/08/2010 14:43

df...give him your manly advice then

instead of going down the "all you MN women are man-hating bee-atches" route

'cos it's kinda boring, really

comtessa · 18/08/2010 14:52

Also - joint account. My DH and I have a joint account. I've always earned less than him but I deal with the money and we trust each other. This will stay the same when I'm a SAHM for the next year or two.

Learn to be equals in the relationship - giving her an allowance only shows her that you don't trust her with "your" money. It's not your money, it's the family's money. Likewise, she is not doing no work, or just housework, she is working to raise your (plural your) family. How can you know what her budget needs to be?

PosieParker · 18/08/2010 14:53

Where is the OP?

domeafavour · 18/08/2010 14:53

Saddad, sometimes it's just too late. I hope you can sort it out but I would echo some thoughts on here that you have to act quick and decisively. But sometimes all those selfish and uncaring actions just hurt too much and she might not be able to forgive or forget. Sorry

domeafavour · 18/08/2010 14:54

Saddad, sometimes it's just too late. I hope you can sort it out but I would echo some thoughts on here that you have to act quick and decisively. But sometimes all those selfish and uncaring actions just hurt too much and she might not be able to forgive or forget. Sorry

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 18/08/2010 14:54

If she's not in love with you any more, she's already gone. Trying to hang on to her by making a seperation difficult will only prolong the agony for all involved. She doesn't love you as a husband any more. It is over. Try and work now on being friends, and doing right by the children. It's great that you can take ownership for your part in the break down of your marriage, but at the same time it doesn't change anything. She wants out, the relationship is currently over.

msboogie · 18/08/2010 14:55

it's not obvious to him what he has to do is it dogfish? or he wouldn't have asked.

If it was a woman posting about having subjected her DH to a decade of extreme selfish behavior and was now, having finally seen the light, asking what she should do she would get exactly the same treatment.

malinkey · 18/08/2010 15:01

Saddad - from what you say I think I am in a similar position to your wife. This is what I would suggest:

Give her some space to get her head around how she's feeling without being blamed/being made to feel guilty/having to keep explaining herself. Maybe you could move out of your home temporarily so that she doesn't have to uproot the children and allow her to have the space there.

Arrange to spend some time on your own with the DCs to give your wife a break.

Tell her how you feel but understand that you can't force her into staying with you. Allowing her the space she needs might be the best way to show her how much you love her. Tell her you would be willing to go to relate when and if she is ever ready.

"When someone gets to this point can they be swayed, what else can I do to make her realise this is a huge mistake?"

You might not be able to sway her. I am sure it has taken her a long time to reach this point and while it is a huge mistake in your eyes it might be the only option she can see open to her.

"All those times that she suggested something and I just put it down to being a bad idea or nagging - were those the times when I needed to change my behaviour?"

Yes probably. It's horrible not being heard and being made to feel like what you want or need is not important to your partner. It's like being a non-person. But it's good that you now realise this - even if it has taken your wife wanting to leave.

It might not be possible for you to save your marriage but being reasonable and trying to understand things from your wife's point of view will be beneficial to you both in the long run. Your future relationship with your DCs is important whether or not you stay together. And the only possible way that I can see anything working out between you in the future is to put your wife and her needs first now.

PosieParker · 18/08/2010 15:04

My DH keeps making the same mistakes, coming in late, getting too pissed, ruining nice days. I'm at the point where even if he makes all the effort I am not enamoured....he tells me he loves me and I avoid answering because I can't bring myself to say it. Difference is I could not live on benefits EVER.

SolidGoldBrass · 18/08/2010 15:05

It's unethcial to put pressure on someone to remain in a relationship they don;t want to be in. When someone wants to leave a relationship, it's the other person's duty to accept this gracefully and, while you might want to unload on sympathetic third parties, pick those carefully and concentrate on managing the separation in a way that's fair and done with kindness.
And OP, the fact that your posts are still all about what you want and how to make your wife do what you want suggest that the best thing for her is definitely separation from you.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2010 15:08

< quick hijack >

PP, those are not "mistakes" your husband is making

a "mistake" implies no pre-planning, no fore-knowledge of how a behaviour may impact on others, and certainly not something that is repeated over and over in the face of someone else being hurt

< hijack over >

leothelioness · 18/08/2010 15:09

saddad- I speak from someone in a similar situation to you wife.
The worst thing you can do at the moment is pressure her in to changing her decision. She needs her space. Also if she has reached the point where she cannot "try" any more then you have to accept that and not make the seperation more difficult than it will be anyway.

PosieParker · 18/08/2010 15:12

[fingers in ears la la la la la la]

Has that common sense woman gone now? Grin

AnyFucker · 18/08/2010 15:15

yeah, she went thattaway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I wonder where OP sloped off to ?

Perhaps he didn't get the replies he expected ? It's a shame really, because he is getting good advice if he could only listen and learn.

luciemule · 18/08/2010 15:29

perhaps he's at work still and won't reply until a bit later...........after football practice Grin