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What is this thing with mothers-in-law?

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MoJangles · 27/07/2010 14:04

It's such a cliché! I don't like my MIL. But why do her little foibles drive me mad? My MIL isn't perfect - but then neither are lots of people (certainly not me!) and they don't set my teeth on edge. She's not a monster - but I have to force myself to give her any credit. This is preying on my mind for two reasons:

  1. Baby due in November, PIL's first grandchild so lots of excitement. I'm already worrying about doing permanent damage to family harmony if I don't handle her total lack of boundaries expectations sensitively.
  1. We've just found out that baby is a boy - which means that there's a chance that I'll be a MIL to a resentful DIL someday.

I'm sure it?s far too much of a coincidence that this happens over and over again between MIL and DIL for it just to be personality clashes. I'd really like to understand all this more - and hopefully deal with it better too. Anyone with any info or ideas about MIL/DIL ishooos - or tips for coping - please tell me!

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Elmtree1Ems · 27/07/2010 14:28

I think (some) women find it hard to see their 'place' going to another woman, and this happens with sons in particular.

My exf mother was a bit odd to put it lightly and was a bit over-affectionate with him at family gatherings. I remember one time she kept going on about how alike me and her were and 'isn;t it funny he's chosen a woman just like me' which to frank I found really freaky (and not at all true).

Perhaps some mums just find it hard not to the main woman in their son's lives anymore after all those years of being the most important woman in the world to him?

I have one son and he is the light of my life, I don't know how I will react when he grows up and has a partner but I hope I won't be weird about it!

In terms of MIL as grandparents, I actually found it really hard when BOTH sides held and made comments about my son as to begin with I felt really territorial, I think that with MIL's though its hard cause they aren't actually biiologically related and you can't help but subconsciously wonder if they are comparing what you are doing to how they looked after your DP/H when they were little.

I guess as well when your son is now living with another woman...I mean you ALWAYS want to baby your kids I think even when they are all growd up, and mothers want to mother. Trouble is might not always be appropriate and of course the role of a wife is much different to the mother. But some mums I guess don;t see this and see the wife as 'competition' or they find it hard to take a step back.

Yep can get really tricky!

Aeldred · 27/07/2010 14:50

I got along fine with my MIL for nearly ten years with no conflict at all. Then I had a baby and on her first visit she plucked the baby from me for a cuddle. I could have wept right there. I still havent gotten over it and suddenly I have 'tensions' about my still lovely MIL. If only she had waited to hold the baby! Somehow it awoke some primeval ancient part of my brain and I still find it hard to put what ever it is back in the box it should stay in.

MoJangles · 27/07/2010 18:11

This stuff does tap right into a lot of subconscious defences I think! In this case, I think it's me not her. My MIL has always been welcoming and generous to me - OK, a bit overfamiliar and has raised living vicariously to an art form, but hasn't ever been overtly competitive with me. But that doesn't stop me reacting as if she is! This is all pre-baby, and I already find her excessively irritating, hate noticing things about DH that remind me of her (although things that he gets from FIL all fine with me), and generally don't want to be around her. I try desperately not to show it, but it's all a bit bonkers and I'd make my life much easier if I could just relax and go with the flow. Somehow I'm wired to hate her - would love to understand why!

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valiumSingleton · 27/07/2010 18:23

I think it's a proprietorial thing. "he's MY son, I was here first". But also, some Daughters-in-law seem to expect a man to almost write his mother out of their lives!

I tolerated my mil quite civilly until I left her son, and then she was vile to me.

MoJangles · 27/07/2010 18:33

I hope I'm not expecting DH to write his mum out of his life [ponders]. I have them round for dinners and he works with his bro and used to have a company with his dad, so they're all quite close. My folks live abroad and when we got together I actively welcomed this, it seemed to lovely to have family nearby. My reaction is quite specific to her, not the others, and quite out of proportion to how annoying she really is...

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DuelingFanjo · 27/07/2010 18:41

Seems to me that you get the outright deranged MIL, which lets face it isn't just the domain of the MIL, and then you get the ones who are not respectful of boundaries.

I read about MILs who want to be AT the birth of their grandchildren or who insist that they take the baby for X amount of hours/days a week and I wonder how on earth they get like this or why they think they have these rights.

On the other hand I have been raised with just my little family of siblings and parents and didn't spend my life in and out of the homes of extended family so any attempts by other people to wedge themselves into my daily routine just freaks me out big time - ie sometimes it's just a different way of doing things.

petunia · 27/07/2010 20:06

Apologies at the length of this but I?ve had 16 years of cr@p from my MIL/ILs and it?s only in the last few years I?ve started trying to make sense of it!

I think the root of the problems with my MIL, is that she's a woman who is deeply dissatisfied with life. She lived in the shadow of an older sister and my MIL thought that by getting married and having children, she'd be an equal to her and would just simply be noticed and exist. So she married the first bloke who showed an interest in her and he's a selfish bully who thinks the world should revolve around him and as long as it's doing that, he's happy. MIL, over the 50 years that they've been married, let FIL have the last word on everything, from the state of their house (falling down around their ears to the point that it's dangerous) to who their friends are (very few of those after all, who needs friends when your Son will always fill the gap and provide your social life?) and how much contact they have with them (not much.) If FIL's not happy with someone/something, it's MIL that will throw a hissy fit and does his 'dirty work' (and she's admitted to doing that as well!)

So my DH was brought up to be everything his father wasn?t and almost like a '2nd husband' for MIL. My DH has a more exciting job, more money, learnt to drive (both ILs don't drive) etc, than FIL ever did and when DH moved into his first house (before he met me), it was like a 2nd home for the ILs and MIL was 'the wife.' Even though the house came fully furnished (the family selling it were emigrating to Australia and couldn't take anything with them) and came with a washing machine/ironing board, MIL still did DH's washing at her house. DH never used that machine! So there was no way she was going to let another woman take her place and looking back to the day we told them we were getting engaged in 1995, it's no surprise that it was met with a stony silence followed by a tantrum a few days later. And that set the pattern for the next 11 years. I was never supposed to come first and if there was ever the danger of DH doing that, I was accused of trying to split up the family. So over the last 16 years, I've had tantrums, abuse over the phone and been ignored. I sucked it all up and played at 'happy families' after all their tantrums, with no apology from them and a husband that expected me to put up with it ~ he's never stood up to his parents and actually said to me 3 years ago that, 'husbands and wives don't stick up for each other if it was going to upset family.' What were DDs and I to him then?! From the moment he said that, I quit visiting (no loss to me because when I did visit, I spent hours sitting by myself in their lounge, while they all sat in another room anyway!) The ironic thing is that 15 years on from the tantrum she threw when we got engaged, MIL has actually got what she always wanted; her Son now visits alone.

I think when it comes to being a MIL, we have to realise that our children grow up and yes, we might feel a pang of sadness and shed a few tears because they seem to have grown up so fast but if you let them 'spread their wings' and are capable of finding your own hobbies/ways to fill the gap, then you'll be fine. But if you behave like a spurned lover (like my MIL did/does) and treat your SonIL/DIL like ?devils spawn? just because they came along and married your Son/DD, then you will lose out eventually. My MIL/ILs will now spend the rest of their days having their Son visit by himself~ DDs and I don't visit. Even when the ILs celebrated their Golden Wedding anniversary earlier this year with a dinner at a restaurant, DDs and I weren?t there. DD1 (11 years old) has seen the rows DH and I have had about his parents treatment of me and she hates them; that's just a part of the damage they've done. The biggest damage has been to my marriage because I can honestly say that if I knew 16 years ago what I was getting into, I would have run a mile and left DH to the relationship he had with his parents!

For my ILs, old age won't be pleasant for them. Whereas 'normal' ILs/ grandparents get their old age eased with visits from family, my ILs will have nothing because they?ve driven everyone away who could have helped them. So apologies once again for the length but I hope it gives an insight into what I think are behind the problems I've had. I guess it really shows what the end result can be if you do treat the partners of your children in a lousy way!

plantsitter · 27/07/2010 20:12

I think it's partly because it always feels like MILs are judging you, probably because they are.

I have to say, though, that I get on loads better with my MI(common)L since having DD as she has been really helpful and really obviously loves DD. And she always does the washing up when she comes round.

ChilledChick2 · 28/07/2010 14:16

I have to admit, I can't understand all the stuff about 'the dreaded MIL'. My brilliant MIL and I get on great. Don't get me wrong initally we had our foibles but I told her she wasn't losing a son but gaining a DIL or 'the daughter she never had' as she puts it.

TBH I'm quite protective of her, which may seem strange considering.

fizzpops · 28/07/2010 14:29

I think that a lot of MILs see themselves as 'there first' iyswim, and the DIL or girlfriend etc is the newcomer. Never mind that you are family too and you are the mother to their grandchildren.

My MIL has always made an effort not to barge in and give unwanted advice, and to respect our decisions - she does betray her own opinions every so often but she is no different in that to anyone else.

What I am trying to say is that the MIL/DIL relationship is like any other one in that both sides need to make an effort for it to work, but there is quite often conflict because the MIL sees herself as the Mother, ie an authority/ matriarch and sees no need to change or even make an effort. She seems someone else joining the family and not two families combining which is what happens in reality.

I also think that as my Mum is DH's MIL it would be up to me to tell her if I thought she was out of line but men are a bit more chivalrous, or possibly cowardly, when it comes to their mothers.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/07/2010 14:51

"I think the root of the problems with my MIL, is that she's a woman who is deeply dissatisfied with life. She lived in the shadow of an older sister and my MIL thought that by getting married and having children, she'd be an equal to her and would just simply be noticed and exist. So she married the first bloke who showed an interest in her"

This is exactly what my MIL did as well Petunia.

diddl · 28/07/2010 17:35

I don´t get on with my MIL.
We are just too different.

We can tolerate other & be polite & that´s it tbh.

She sees herself as my boss/superior somehow

We should make all the effort as far as phoning/visiting is concerned.

She seems to think that I have become part of her family.

In fact, my husband & our children are our own family in our eyes.

petunia · 28/07/2010 18:52

diddl ~ this is the funny thing with my ILs; if it were any other situation e.g. we were neighbours, I know we'd get on really well because we have a lot in common. I could imagine us talking over the garden fence, 'putting the world to rights' as they say. But it's the fact that I married their Son and they treat me as having taken something away from them and a threat, that screws it all up! And even the fact that I've given them the only grandchildren they've got, doesn't seem to entitle me to any better treatment or respect. No for my MIL, it's far easier and more important to her to be nasty to me for marrying her Son than think about any sort of relationship she could be having with her grandchildren. And the fact that she doesn't actually realise that those grandchildren see the rows between their Mum and Dad and know that they're mother is being treated in an appalling way, tells me that she actually doesn't care that much about her GC anyway!

petunia · 28/07/2010 18:56

Attila ~ I've seen a lot of your posts about dealing with difficult ILs and difficult people generally! One of the books I read was one that you often recommend~ 'Toxic Inlaws' by Susan Forward. I had several 'lightbulb moments' reading that!

diddl · 28/07/2010 19:01

Yes, we have the only grandchildren.

She made the mistake of being quite disdainful towards me.
Then I fell pregnant & it was suddenly important that we get on

Too late-she´d already shown what she thought of me-not good enough for her precious boy!

We are abroad-they have never visited.
Great as far as I´m concerned-but shows how important their only grandchildren & indeed my husband, their only child really are too them.

Everything has to be on their terms & involving minimum effort for them!

As I say, great for me not to have seen them in years, but cuts me up for the sake of my husband & children.

celticfairy101 · 28/07/2010 19:23

One day too you will become a mother in law. I know you touch upon this in your OP but hey once that child is placed in your arms you are a potential mother in law or mum.

There is no way I would take a child from it's mother's arms without permission. No matter what blood ties I had to that child. Ever.

My children and their prospective partners would raise their children as they see fit. As a gran (or whatever name I choose) I am there to help as best I can. And my motto would be never interfere but give advice when sought. I've thought this from the moment they were born actually.

If all three never have children I wouldn't be bothered.

coffeeinbed · 28/07/2010 20:08

Mine's philosophy about babies is as follows - "one's only allowed to stroke a child when she sleeps".
Enough said.

thislittlesisterlola · 28/07/2010 21:03

diddl my mil is the same only interested once i was pg and now cant do enough. Its very transparent. Sigh! celtic what a lovely and wise post I nodded along whilst reading it.

CarlaBruni · 28/07/2010 21:24

"My children and their prospective partners would raise their children as they see fit" Ah, but celtic,what if they do it wrong?

My MIL is a lovely woman but DF'sbit here sums up my feelings entirely:

"On the other hand I have been raised with just my little family of siblings and parents and didn't spend my life in and out of the homes of extended family so any attempts by other people to wedge themselves into my daily routine just freaks me out big time - ie sometimes it's just a different way of doing things"

Raejj · 28/07/2010 21:30

My MIL is a lovely woman who has helped me enormously.... But she drives me CRAZY. Totally mad to the point my dh has had to restrain me from flipping. I think it's because however nice she is when it comes toyour children her ways tend to be different to yours and that's the rub. I also have a son and it has crossed my mind already that many years from now there'll be a woman out there silently fuming at me as I potter around in ignorant bliss....

diddl · 28/07/2010 22:25

I remember my mum getting on well with her MIL & dad getting on with mum´s mum.

Of the relationships I´ve had-this is the only one where I haven´t got on with the parents!

I think all MIL has ever wanted was for "her boy" to settle down & have children.

But when it happened, not being "nr 1" anymore was too much.

Although, she hadn´t been "nr 1" for years-she just hadn´t realised it

MoJangles · 28/07/2010 22:45

All v insightful stuff ladies (and ouch, Petunia, sounds grim!) I think I have the most in common with DuelingFanjo's observation too - grew up abroad so didn't have the family pressure cooker thing - so maybe I just react to MIL because it doesn't seem normal, even tho I think I want a close extended family. She is the least aware of boundaries of all my IL's, so most likely to set me off, and I know it's not just me - the first time she met my mum she swept her off shopping for a Mother of the Bride outfit for our wedding - mum didn't know how to resist without being rude and ended up with 2 outfits she didn't want!

I will hve to work out a way to get and read Toxic Inlaws without DH seeing...

Hope I'll be able to adopt Celtic's philosophy when the time comes - wonder if I'll be able to though!

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forehead · 28/07/2010 22:46

I have been with my dh for 18 year (married for 10). I always made a lot of effort with my mil , phoning her regularly , taking the dc's to visit her, taking care of her when she was seriously ill( despite the fact that i was 8 months pregnant and not very well myself). I did this all so that she would'nt feel that i was taking her son away from her.
She hates me with a passion and has tried to ruin my marriage by telling lies about me.
After twelve years of this, i decided to cut contact with her. It was the best decision .
It has created some problems as i refuse to allow my mil to see my dc's. This may seem both harsh and cruel, but my mil is a very nasty woman and i don't want my dc's in contact with such a person.
Sometimes OP, it doesn't matter what you do
mil will still resent you as you have taken away her baby.

mamadoc · 28/07/2010 22:57

For me its quite subtle. MIL is OK but I am never left in any doubt that she is on DHs side even where there are no sides to take.
If I so much as mildly disagree with him or tease him in front of her she leaps to his defence. I am left thinking I am only just about good enough for him and that she is waiting to push me out of the way at the earliest opportunity.
My family are a lot more balanced they love DH and think he's a great bloke.

ValiumSingleton · 30/07/2010 09:58

mamadoc, I know what you mean. I almost had a mil like that. First serious bf's mother just like that. When we broke up she said it must have been because I felt like a bit of an 'also-ran' next to her son. I broke it off with him and she kept trying to comfort me for my loss...... She was kind in her way, but

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