Archers thread #171: Harvest's nearly over – but will George ever reap what he has sown? Discuss The Archers here.

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All I have to say about current storylines for now is that I want the George Alice crash stuff to come to a resolution, sooner rather than later, and I also want to hear very little indeed of Alistair, Denise and Paul maundering on. More of Jakob would be very welcome. His brother can come back any time too.

I now declare this thread open for business!

Round and round and round they go, round and round and round. The phase of the moon has to be right, and Jupiter aligned with Mars, before they can stop.

Harsh. Brad is nice, not a mansplainer, though I'd have loved to have his mathematical explanation about the odds regarding a near-death experience. It would be like The Big Bang Theory, with something maths/science-y in every episode.

Brad's A level results have clearly gone to his head and he now thinks he is an expert on everything.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime was this the same Sharon who was John Archer's girlfriend?

One of the many things I don't understand about the Clive character is that he's supposed to be a plumber, a genuine tradie, so you'd think he could earn a decent living by doing what he's trained for. Lord love us, they charge enough, don't they!

he's supposed to be a plumber, a genuine tradie, so you'd think he could earn a decent living by doing what he's trained for.

Difficult when you're not available to work because you're in prison, though.

, I wouldn't tell Justin anything.

He was only going to show that having had one near-death experience in the past has no bearing on whether or not you have another near-death experience in the future. With dice. So, e.g. your chance of rolling a 6 on your second throw with a fair die is always 1 in 6 regardless of whether you rolled a 6 or any other number on your first roll. And it goes on being 1 in 6 for each subsequent roll (the probability of them all being sixes is different).

Me neither.

I think it’s more complicated than that. I happened to notice this on The G this morning. (Processed plant-based meat alternatives still healthier and more environmentally friendly than meat and market share globally predicted to grow until 2030). https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/aug/28/plant-based-meat-alternatives-environment-nutrition. I only ever eat a processed veggie/vegan burger myself a couple of times a year when eating out but thought this was interesting - though I haven’t looked at the study so don’t know about scale and methodology.

I’ve heard of a few cafes and restaurants switching from purely vegan or veggie to vegan/veggie-friendly, but the hospitality industry has struggled so much recently post-Covid/Brexit and with cost of living that I imagine that would be hard to attribute that to a drop in demand - I think it’s perhaps more likely to be a case of those establishments already targeting a smaller market share being the ones who suffer the most or first.

I think it would be interesting to hear Fallon opening a vegan establishment- whether the demand is there in Ambridge, as someone else has mentioned, would be interesting to see. I do think there are lots of non-vegan people who are quite happy to eat vegan products as long as they taste good, however. Perhaps with something as specific as a cream cake people will want the real thing (I’m the same with pizza - I haven’t found a convincing vegan cheese yet, which is one reason I’m veggie, not vegan), but with lots of vegan cakes, you can’t tell the difference.

I agree. Fallon is a fool to blab her intentions to the crafty, calculating old goat, whose brain cells could be heard clicking into action with a BUSINESS PLAN to steal her ideas, bid for one of the charging-station units and install his beloved Carlotta as the manageress.

Why, why does everyone so meekly obey the appalling Justin's orders? He’s sold his own wife down the river for a business deal so he’d rip off anyone else without breaking a sweat.

Oh, and the George 'drama' is beyond pitiful now. Just put it out of its misery FGS.

Do you mean Lilian?

Because she and Justin are not married.

(And I do worry for her occasionally.)

Only ever been one Sharon in Ambridge, yes.

Yes I have no idea why Fallon blabbed her business plan to Justin, or anyone really. Mad.

His virtual wife, if you prefer. The person who's supposed to be his life partner but whom he treats as a rival most of the time.

Indeed. Arrogant little twerp. All he needed to say was it's individual one off incidents which can happen again.

But surely that’s not true and if you are an arsonist, for example, the chances of having a near death experience more than once are higher than if you are, say, an accountant

i think Fallon had a head injury during the accident which has turned her into a total idiot

I thought that was because he was so excited about the maths of it and thought other people would be too rather than arrogance.

Is this them trying to show Brad has no emotional intelligence (despite the fact he has shown it many times before)?

if sassy cassie ends up being a cricket superstar who Alastair trains up to play for England I will definitely be hurling the radio at the nearest sw

Clive is 52 this year according to BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/5f185rS96kCZXFyy1byF9J8/clive-horrobin

Were kids getting called Clive in 1972?

There's no maths involved in it.

Statistics is a branch of maths, and very poorly understood in the UK.

Don’t all teenagers think they are an expert on everything? There’s a quote on the lines “when I went to university, I was appalled at my father’s ignorance. When I returned, I was astonished at how much he’d learned in the intervening three years”

And moral questions seem very clear cut at that age.

Bit delayed but re George calling Clive..... you can make calls (phone or video) over Facebook messenger if your friends no need for phone numbers I think

And given how much Clive has influenced George I assume Emma think clive would twost it "i dont really mean it, its just the only way i can stay close to protect you"etc and George would believe it

Were kids getting called Clive in 1972?

I know one Clive who was born around 1967. Running the name through a search of my professional body of which around 6,500 are men, this Clive is the only result.

I can only assume @DadDadDad is on holiday with his failure pop up during a stats discussion.