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Archers thread #168: Near to the Maddening Crowd? Discuss The Archers here.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/06/2024 22:48

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed, and of course we are always delighted to welcome back former or occasional listeners/posters. We don't all agree on all points, although we do mostly try to be civil about it. Most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like to hear more of Harrison's strange little moaning noises, or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please! We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/talk/radio_addicts/4636789-the-archers-spoilers-thread-7-cant-wait-for-702pm-join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thanks to @OverArmour for the title suggestion!

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leftshark · 28/06/2024 20:24

I’m so behind episodes and the thread and only listening to Wed tonight - am I the only person who actually really liked the ‘video chat with Roy’ episode?

As a disclaimer, ofc realise it was terrible scriptwriting and very clunky and unrealistic and would never happen in real life - but as a send off for the character(/actor) it was very sweet and heartfelt, and I also loved the rogue mix of characters who got together to raise a glass. V happy to suspend disbelief for that little tribute.

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/06/2024 20:41

leftshark · 28/06/2024 20:24

I’m so behind episodes and the thread and only listening to Wed tonight - am I the only person who actually really liked the ‘video chat with Roy’ episode?

As a disclaimer, ofc realise it was terrible scriptwriting and very clunky and unrealistic and would never happen in real life - but as a send off for the character(/actor) it was very sweet and heartfelt, and I also loved the rogue mix of characters who got together to raise a glass. V happy to suspend disbelief for that little tribute.

Yes. That's how I saw it.

TheUsualChaos · 28/06/2024 20:42

Agree @leftshark , it was really quite lovely and definitely felt intended to be more of a toast to the actor himself than the character tbh.

I haven't listened tonight but assume Bartleby has been sold after all? I can't understand George changing his mind again and where they are heading with this 🤔 George is really crumbling. I'm torn between feeling a bit sorry for him now but also remembering that he is the one who choose to lie and let Alice take the blame. I'm definitely not ready to forgive him any time soon!

buidhebeltainn · 28/06/2024 20:44

A BOOP for tonight's conversation between Susan and Neil. Realistic, heartfelt and believable. No misunderstandings, no talking over each other, not overly dramatic.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/06/2024 20:47

OverArmour · 28/06/2024 19:59

Emma is definitely barking up the wrong tree Grin

What I didn't understand was that when Susan was talking with Will about George having changed his mind, she said that Clarrie was baffled and Emma was beside herself. Emma wanted to keep him, so why would George's decision that meant his being kept have upset her?

Bruisername · 28/06/2024 20:47

buidhebeltainn · 28/06/2024 20:44

A BOOP for tonight's conversation between Susan and Neil. Realistic, heartfelt and believable. No misunderstandings, no talking over each other, not overly dramatic.

Agreed!

I'm glad they’ve acknowledged Roy and hope we get snippets in the future as I think the characters popularity is indicative of the actor.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 28/06/2024 20:48

Another episode written about horses by someone who knows bugger all about them 🙄

Rug sizes go on the length of a horse, not their height and weight. And the few horses I’ve known who don’t want their feet picked out are horses with joint or balance problems. I grant you, more common in older/retired horses but still not generally common, or unpleasant for them. It no different to cleaning your nails!

Bruisername · 28/06/2024 20:48

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/06/2024 20:47

What I didn't understand was that when Susan was talking with Will about George having changed his mind, she said that Clarrie was baffled and Emma was beside herself. Emma wanted to keep him, so why would George's decision that meant his being kept have upset her?

She’s spent the money in her head…

there’s going to be some squabbles over the pan to buy Apple trees

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/06/2024 20:51

Ah. Yes, her having spent the money in her head does make sense of it. Thanks!

OverArmour · 28/06/2024 20:52

I think the Bartleby storyline, while weird, might be a bit of an effort from the scriptwriters to do the ‘save the cat’ method of writing - making a ‘bad’ character sympathetic by showing them being kind to animals in some way, signalling that they are not completely irredeemable. Meanwhile, I’m imagining one of George’s confessions to Bartleby accidentally being recorded and uploaded to a social media 😆

Also, the bit I don’t understand is why an old animal sanctuary would be buying old animals from safe homes. I imagine that they would have plenty of candidates to the point of being full three times over if they wished to be.

OverArmour · 28/06/2024 20:53

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/06/2024 20:47

What I didn't understand was that when Susan was talking with Will about George having changed his mind, she said that Clarrie was baffled and Emma was beside herself. Emma wanted to keep him, so why would George's decision that meant his being kept have upset her?

Yes, even more nonsensical!

leftshark · 28/06/2024 21:12

buidhebeltainn · 28/06/2024 20:44

A BOOP for tonight's conversation between Susan and Neil. Realistic, heartfelt and believable. No misunderstandings, no talking over each other, not overly dramatic.

I have extensive experience of alcoholism in my family (my mum died young of it, there's lots of inherited issues and knowledge in my ancestry and current family) so I have found it difficult to be objective about the writing on the Alice SL at points over the last few years. I find the over-dramatic and (IMO unnecessary) storyline with the crash etc to be overworked*, as there's already enough angst and human drama in any kind of addiction issue, but on balance I think they've done a good job of representing different perspectives and showing the sometimes visceral reactions of different people in different degrees of closeness to the alcoholic, i.e. Emma v Fallon v Kate (for eg) and how it isn't contained to the person themselves or their immediate family. I agree with you @buidhebeltainn - tonight (while some of the actual writing was a bit meh IMO) it was a solid portrayal of two sympathetic but different points of view of invested people (I love Susan and Neil as both characters and actors anyway) who ultimately have to pick up the slack to compensate for someone else's suffering, but have differing perspectives on the right approach and their differing levels of tolerance. I also thought that (for eg) both Adam and Ruari's interactions from the last few weeks to be really true to life as well - I've seen (and, if I'm honest, have done) both of their stances and completely understood both of their perspectives on how they think they can help.

I suppose my ultimate reflection (and I am also saying this having worked for a bit in my graduate years doing audience research for the BBC) is that I think the SWs did a really good job of researching this wrt family and their wider support or circumstantial network's potential attitudes and actions, and have tried to represent them all throughout this SL, and I have to credit them for that. As with most of us on this thread I am more and more disappointed with the quality of the scripts the actors have to deal with, and the clunkiness seems to be increasing all the time, seemingly to bring us towards a more soapy production style, which is a shame.

Also of interest to me is that I got properly 'into' the Archers in my 30s, but have always been aware of it as my Grandma (my mums mum) listened to it, and so its a massive fixture of my childhood while I helped her get tea ready twice a week at her house. Looking back, and considering that she also had to deal with her own daughter's alcohol issues, I wonder how she would have responded to the Alice SL, as I can only assume she was there for the Jack Wooley SL as well. Would love to be able to ask her. I wonder if the SW looked back in the archives at all to see how it was addressed then, and took any wisdom into their writing this time around?

(*I get that it was plot device to further the Fallon and Harrison + George/Archers v Grundies SL for the long term, and ultimately I like the question marks around all of that long-term succession planning, so I am a huge hypocrite really)

RegimentalSturgeon · 28/06/2024 21:19

the bit I don’t understand is why an old animal sanctuary would be buying old animals from safe homes. I imagine that they would have plenty of candidates to the point of being full three times over if they wished to be.

@OverArmour , I think when this nonsense was first mooted, the notion was that Bartleby would be an ideal companion animal for the existing old lags nags. Still bollocks, but they did make a token justification

VoxPop · 28/06/2024 21:19

George thanked Bartleby for not judging him.

Bet Bartleby was actually thinking “George stop whining you self pitying rogue, do you understand that was perversion of the course of justice.”

I like the idea of Bartleby blowing the gaff on George, show him what it is like to be on the receiving end of betrayal, perhaps Meg undercover detective and Bartleby related to the famous Mr Ed

BrightYellowDaffodil · 28/06/2024 23:21

Also, the bit I don’t understand is why an old animal sanctuary would be buying old animals from safe homes. I imagine that they would have plenty of candidates to the point of being full three times over if they wished to be.

I’ve heard the horror stories of “retirement” homes where the owners are promised a five star home for life but the poor horses are actually sold on for a quick buck. It’s a known scam and not uncommon for the horses to be full of drugs to hide physical problems so the new owners suddenly find their new horse is lame and send them back or sell them on again. Aside from anything else, old horses being passed from pillar to post is awful. Often they’ve been sold in the first place because people don’t want to deal with old horses - just put the poor buggers down rather than pass them on.

However, it seems to be less common these days as “dodgy dealers” are well known via social media.

Trivium4all · 29/06/2024 08:02

BrightYellowDaffodil · 28/06/2024 23:21

Also, the bit I don’t understand is why an old animal sanctuary would be buying old animals from safe homes. I imagine that they would have plenty of candidates to the point of being full three times over if they wished to be.

I’ve heard the horror stories of “retirement” homes where the owners are promised a five star home for life but the poor horses are actually sold on for a quick buck. It’s a known scam and not uncommon for the horses to be full of drugs to hide physical problems so the new owners suddenly find their new horse is lame and send them back or sell them on again. Aside from anything else, old horses being passed from pillar to post is awful. Often they’ve been sold in the first place because people don’t want to deal with old horses - just put the poor buggers down rather than pass them on.

However, it seems to be less common these days as “dodgy dealers” are well known via social media.

I had similar thoughts, and I also don't understand why she paid 1500 for him. If she were a dodgy dealer, not only does the price seem a bit high, but seeing as he was being checked out for "oldest pony alive", I'm assuming he has got to be about 40, and there's absolutely no way that even the dodgiest of dealers manages to pass him off as younger and fitter and worth more than 1500. And if she were one of those mad horse hoarders, then she wouldn't have paid 1500 either, or stayed at GG, because she wouldn't have had the cash. And if she were running a legitimate sanctuary, she'd, as others mentioned, have no need to be seeking out local celebrity ponies with a secure home.

JanglyBeads · 29/06/2024 08:28

Thanks to @leftshark for her reflections yesterday re alcoholism. Yes it would be interesting to compare this SL with that of Jack Archer.

echt · 29/06/2024 10:11

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/06/2024 19:21

I thought it was Joy at first when she and Lynda were passing in the lane.

Me too. A definite NE twang.

LillianGish · 29/06/2024 10:11

I'm struggling to understand where the Bartleby storyline is going. Is the crucial point that George has been unburdening himself to a horse and will now have to find another outlet for his outpourings? My chief objection is that the whole thing has felt so laboured - all the oldest living horse stuff and social media posting and now the unlikely details of his purchase (neatly summed up by @Trivium4all). Alice's alcoholism has been brilliantly done, George's involvement in the accident was entirely believable, his elevation to hero status is understandable - the Bartleby stuff just has me scratching my head. Maybe Meg will continue the social media stuff along the lines of: "What's that Bartleby? It was George in the driving seat not Alice? And now he's overwhelmed with remorse?" It couldn't be anymore unlikely than anything Bartleby-related that we've already heard.

VoxPop · 29/06/2024 10:21

“Maybe Meg will continue the social media stuff along the lines of: "What's that Bartleby? It was George in the driving seat not Alice? And now he's overwhelmed with remorse?" It couldn't be anymore unlikely than anything Bartleby-related that we've already heard.”

😂

Bruisername · 29/06/2024 10:34

I think she’s going to end up being George’s fairy godmother

i I thought it was Joy too and was a bit confused!!

DogwoodTree · 29/06/2024 18:37

I know she’s not it but I keep thinking of the mysterious grey lady who ran the modern day slavery network, where the young men were known as “horses”.

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/06/2024 18:54

DogwoodTree · 29/06/2024 18:37

I know she’s not it but I keep thinking of the mysterious grey lady who ran the modern day slavery network, where the young men were known as “horses”.

We never found out who she was. 🤔

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/06/2024 19:24

The woman who bought and sold "horses" was called Victoria, and we heard her on air in December 2020.

There was also a Grey Man of whom Blake was very afraid.

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/06/2024 19:33

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/06/2024 19:24

The woman who bought and sold "horses" was called Victoria, and we heard her on air in December 2020.

There was also a Grey Man of whom Blake was very afraid.

Ah. Maybe I was confusing the two.

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