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The NHS website says you should not drink alcohol while taking diazepam because it can increase the effects of diazepam. "It can make you go into a very deep sleep. There is a risk you may not be able to breathe properly, and you may have difficulty waking up." Do we assume Azra explained this to Alice ?
If Alice does suffer a medical crisis as a result, could this be the catalyst for George to confess?

I think the worse Alice gets then the harder it is for George to confess

I said Mick was going to turn into a cocklodger!

Admittedly, I didn't say it on here, so you'll just have to believe that I saw this coming. 😅

Last night confirmed my suspicions that Joy was going to end up doing all his laundry etc and possibly eventually taking pity on him so much that he moved in with her. And tonight, here we have Exhibit A - doing his washing and ironing.

Dear Lord, though, couldn't they just learn their lesson from the near miss yesterday and stop messing around GG, especially when Mick is supposed to be working?!

I didn't like Mick much from the start, but he's really gone down in my estimation recently. As has Joy, actually, I thought better of her than to be having sex all over her partner's workplace.

You can get addicted, but she's only going to be taking it very short term so I guess that would be unlikely.

My ex-h was on it and turned into an absolute zombie. I wouldn't have trusted him to say anything coherent in court while he was on it. He would have had great difficulty getting to court at all. I suppose Alice is only on a low dose though.

Bruisername
can you get addicted to diazepam?

Its alternative name is Valium.

Have a prescient Rolling Stones song:

Getting into a car with not one but two people you don't know terribly well seems a massive violation of all workplace safety best practice. Going out to the carpark and talking through the car window, improbable but maybe kind and helpful, but getting INTO the car? Madness. Did she even tell the receptionist where she was going and arrange to be watched?

I reckon I won't get many people agreeing with me, but I think Fallon was absolutely horrible to Harrison tonight on learning about the prayer time he had with Alan. For goodness sake, is the guy just supposed to stay in his little box, do what he's told and not be allowed to have any feelings unless they are approved by her?

He can have all the feelings he wants, say all the prayers he wants, but leaving the order of service lying around for her to find and read is really weird. The man has gone mad.

Getting into the car is probably no more unlikely than Alice getting a GP appointment in the first place. Even the SW seemed to feel embarrassed about that and had Adam say there must have been a cancellation.
Mind you the SW do not seem to get embarrassed easily given the dire nature of most of what they are writing at the moment.
I'm also not enjoying Joy having sex with Mick all over GG. I get that the heart wants what the heart wants and all that but she does have a bed (albeit without a memory foam mattress) and a hot tub at home they can use. And that would be more convenient for her when she's doing his washing and ironing and cooking his meals.

It wasn't the 'unlikely' bit that worried me, it was the 'what all women are warned to never ever ever do' bit. Don't get in a car driven by the client - drive yourself, or share a taxi, but don't hand over control. Ever.

She did get in the drivers seat at least!!

"Don't get in the car with Alice, Azra ... you might end up in the river." (Yes, we know Alice wasn't driving, but Adam doesn't.)

As to Fallon and Harrison, "what @DeanElderberry said". I know he's terminally thick, but he knows exactly how she feels about it, so rubbing her nose in his incessant "MeMeMe" is self-centred and frankly nasty.

In probably misheard but I thought Fallon saw the prayer cone up on his phone from Alan ?

I do think real normal kind Fallon may not understand Harrison's feelings but would have understood it was his way of dealing with things - I think different scriptwriters writing character in a different way

The scriptwriting has been terrible lately.

I think the "lately" is excessively generous there.

Gonners
As to Fallon and Harrison, "what @DeanElderberry said". I know he's terminally thick, but he knows exactly how she feels about it, so rubbing her nose in his incessant "MeMeMe" is self-centred and frankly nasty.

I think what got so badly up her nose was that the prayers talked about "the parents" and "the child", and Fallon both objects very much to being unilaterally and without her consent included in the sob-fest, and to referring to an early miscarriage as a child. Though she did find the idea of it being in heaven risible rather than offensive, she wanted no part of the whole business and had said so in advance. She had also made it clear that there was no "child", just an abortion in waiting if it had not aborted spontaneously – which it did.

That he meant to keep it secret from her really doesn't make it better; if anything, it makes it worse.

Agreed, as far as I understood Fallon was looking at menus on Harrison’s phone and the text came in from Alan and she read it (she said you’ve got a text)

I think it was good to make it clear how she felt, but do think she was mean to him once he had explained it was just private between him and Alan and he had not picked the prayer that referred to both parents (Alan just read it out, as I recall Harrison did not really know what was going to happen). Harrison had a right to try and resolve his grief privately with Alan.

Perhaps if it was the other way round we would be censoring Harrison for reading Fallon’s text and horrified at his lack of recognition of her grief and her right to try to resolve it privately

Edit … was agreeing with BeaLola

I agree with the points below however I think Alan should have edited that prayer anyway, that line was inappropriate to the situation.

“She had also made it clear that there was no "child", just an abortion in waiting if it had not aborted spontaneously – which it did.”

She made it clear there was no child just a miscarriage. She never mentioned an abortion or abortion in waiting, nor that she would have aborted the pregnancy if she had not miscarried. We may assume she was most likely to have done that but that is her decision (well the script writers) not ours.

Harrison acknowledged it was not a literal baby, but was to help him with the loss of what might have been, which of course is what he is grieving.

Harrison and Alan had no right to co-opt Fallon in as a grieving "parent"

Fallon might understand his feelings if he made the slightest effort to understand hers.

It's so arrogant of Alan and Harrison to opt Fallon into their beliefs.

I agree, but just another example of his klutzy behaviour in a situation he should be totally sensitive to, he knew Fallon felt differently, Harrison had previously told him that.

I don't think they were going to have sex there. I think it was just referring to not being seen at all. The CCTV camera Mick was worried about showed them leaving the hotel.

See above it was Alan that included Fallon even though he knew her views were different, Harrison told him that, Harrison did not agree to it and he was hardly going to stop Alan mid prayer when he didn’t even seem to know what was going on.

Harrison was very self obsessed, certainly to begin with, and not sensitive to Fallon, but I don’t recall him having a go at Fallon for her beliefs.

If you read my post that you replied to, you would see that Harrison didn’t.