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They did have a prolonged discussion about it

If he'd been thinking straight (fair enough that he wasn't though) he could have come up with a reasonable-ish lie that was close enough to the truth that it wouldn't be proven wrong.
"I found Alice, I didn't want to leave her there alone so vulnerable, I roused her enough to ask her if I should drive her home, and for her to tell me where the keys were. She woke up again while I was driving and tried to get out of the car without any warning, causing me to swerve".

I think he doesn't have a licence? So he'd be in trouble. But not as much as he will be in. Plus if he'd admitted it then, he could have been alcohol tested and found not to be drunk. Whereas now, with the cider in the car and the fact he'd been to a party, people will think he was.

Alice knows she would not have driven.because she put her keys in the glove compartment. She is so certain she pleaded not guilty because despite all the evidence she knows she did not do it (so do we).

The comments that this would not have stopped her driving have one fatal flaw. Alice has done this many times and she knows it works because it has always worked, and she knows that because she sobers up in the same pull in she started off at (with the exception of George’s molestation and kidnapping of her and taking her car without consent, perverting the course of justice …)

Will Joy remember? I think Joy will remember because such an enormous hoo ha was made of it at the time.

Just because it has always worked does not mean it will always work.

she was so over the limit there was no way she wasn’t going to drive over the limit the next day

I keep mine in my pocket. I'm getting very good at pressing the right buttons by touch only.

I do hope they don't go for shock confession from witness stand.

I think it suggests it is far more likely to than not

She Would be clear on a blood test after 6 hours and possibly clear on a breathalyser after 12, especially if she went for a run first. Assume she knocked the drink straight back it was quite early as the shop was open. So very possibly clear next morning.

Oh gawd, they will, won't they!

Perversion of course of justice now, isn't it? Which is rightly seen as serious - if we can't rely on law and justice, what can we rely on?

Ouch - we're on p40 - is @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g asleep, do you think? Should someone go and wake her up?

I agree, especially as that day would be clear in her mind because of the accident and her selling the alcohol to Alice

Also possibly any CCTV, but maybe less likely than cider, sick and other evidence in car, and possibly Alice remembering in flashes.

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I don’t think she would have been clear next morning given how much she had drunk

I think the fruit cider is more likely to jog her memory. I think she will confront him in front of others (at the bull?) and his reaction will make it clear and he will probably break down

She drank a bottle of vodka !!!. So not clear to drive home/work in the morning.
I'm amazed she didn't die from alcohol poisoning.

40 hours for it to clear her system

https://www.rehab-recovery.co.uk/articles/how-long-does-alcohol-stay-in-your-system/#

The shop was trying to close, and she insisted on buying the drink when it was out of hours.

As for going for a run!

So, to clear herself of one charge ( which isn’t going to happen anyway as things stand) her defence is effectively “I’m regularly drunk in charge, yer Honour, but I never inhale”. Which will go down like a cup of cold sick.

Except I wasn’t presenting this as a legal defence but as a fatal flaw in the assertions here, that this would not have stopped her driving (which could not have been known anyway, even without the considering the fact that it always has stopped her before)

trouble. But not as much as he will be in. Plus if he'd admitted it then, he could have been alcohol tested and found not to be drunk. Whereas now, with the cider in the car and the fact he'd been to a party, people will think he was.

Copy and paste failure but I think Geirge does have a driving licence because he drives for his job and has taken Henry out in the van. Helen wouldn't allow this if it wasn't legal.

Unopened bottles of cider in the car wouldn't prove either of them had drunk any I would have thought. Unless Joy remembers how many she sold.

All George needs to do, if challenged, is deny, deny, deny. However, he should have told the truth (or a version of it) immediately. I wonder if he realises that. It would make for some interesting character development.

I don’t know how they will play out this storyline but if Alice wanted to get sober she’d be going to every meeting she could, daily as an absolute minimum.

@Bruisername yes use of language is in Eng Lang GCSE.

We've had nothing of Joy recalling even selling Alice the vodka, and we have no idea whether she remembers the sale to George immediately before that. I think Joy might prove key, maybe she'll precipitate G's breakdown.

Ah I wasn't sure about the licence.

I know it wouldn't prove he was drunk, and I don't think he'd be charged with that. I just meant in the village - he'd bought alcohol, been to a party, so people may assume he'd been drinking as well.

A million years ago I did The Outsider (L’Etranger) by Camus for the Scottish equivalent of O-level. I had a fantastic English teacher who fostered a life long love of Shakespeare in me. He was rather eccentric and didn’t like anything older than 20th century in novels or poetry and, thank god, hated Sunset Song, which most of the other classes had to wade through.

Copy and paste failure but I think Geirge does have a driving licence because he drives for his job and has taken Henry out in the van. Helen wouldn't allow this if it wasn't legal.

We don't actually know that he has a full driving licence. The "drives for his job and has taken Henry out in the van" is not proof.

I would have thought Bridge Farm would check he had a licence before employing him.

I can't imagine that Helen would have allowed George to drive Henry to the county show without being certain that he had a full clean driving licence.

I would have thought ... and I can't imagine that ...
You would think so, but if it happened off-air, we have no proof.
It was argued on another thread.

George is just the sort to do something like fail his test and pretend he passed.

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