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Archers thread #157: How sharper than a serpent’s tooth it is to have a thankless clan! Discuss The Grundys here. Bicker about The Archers as well if you like.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/11/2023 18:38

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed, and of course we are always delighted to welcome back former or occasional listeners/posters. We don't all agree on all points, although we do mostly try to be civil about it. Most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that, or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please! We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/talk/radio_addicts/4636789-the-archers-spoilers-thread-7-cant-wait-for-702pm-join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thanks to @OverArmour for the idea of making it clear in the title many of us are inveterate bickerers!

Now over to you, as we are about to eat and I won't hear tonight's offering till later ....

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AngryBirdsNoMore · 29/11/2023 18:34

Bruisername · 29/11/2023 17:27

Hang on - if they don’t take over until today why didn’t she just tell him, kindly, to come back tomorrow but she wasn’t jeopardising today’s profit. She should then have done a full stock take of everything that was hers and agreed a price for it all (or take it home and make stuff to sell elsewhere)

I wish I wish I wish she had. She’s been royally screwed here if what we’ve heard is anything to go by. She should be chuckling with a big fat bank balance from selling them all the kitchen stuff.

Bruisername · 29/11/2023 18:41

Maybe that money will suddenly be mentioned when she needs funds to take on the charging station cafe

AndAllOurYesterdays · 29/11/2023 19:09

The 'symbolic' key photo is just peak Tom

Bruisername · 29/11/2023 19:15

Tom is being a nob about handing over the keys. I would’ve shoved them up his arse. At least we heard that they settled up with her! And at least Natasha was trying to be nice - although dishonest to say she changed her mind on the name when it was Fallon who said it. And she put Tom in his place!

alices love life is yawnsome. I don’t really care enough about her doubts tbh. We all know that she’s going to date him so do we need to waste this amount of an episode on it

echt · 29/11/2023 19:23

I bet we could come up with a better name than Terrum. One of the IKEA-ish ones that sound faintly rude, in keeping with the Scandi vibe.

OTOH while Tom is a colossal arse, what on earth is Natasha doing saying "I put up with a lot from you". What sane person would wear such a sweeping statement?

BrightYellowDaffodil · 29/11/2023 19:30

<round of applause for Natasha>

Oh, I do enjoy hearing Tom getting a dressing down!

TopOfTheCliff · 29/11/2023 19:46

I’m quite enjoying hearing Tom destroying a just about thriving business with his stupid half baked ideas. I am hoping the “Terrum” loses customers and Fallon walks out to set up the cafe at the charging station with Lynda’s help and it’s a roaring success! Will he ever admit he is wrong though?

HumanWetWipe · 29/11/2023 19:55

Is Terrum really Tearoom in Swedish? My online translator says not. 'Te rum' is a literal translation, I think, but I don't think it's pronounced Terrum

MereDintofPandiculation · 29/11/2023 20:06

BeatriceBatchelor · 28/11/2023 18:22

Direct cremation sounds good to me!!

Me too. I know when this comes up on MN, there are always cries of "funerals are for the living!" but I've found most I've been to just incredibly upsetting.

Not to mention the expense.

Direct burials are a thing too.

Bruisername · 29/11/2023 20:58

According to Google translate tearoom is

swedish - tesalong
danish - te vaerelse
norwegian - tea room (anyone have a better idea?)
finnish - tee huone

none of which look like very appealing names for a farm cafe (except for the Norwegian - if that’s right

they could call it The Bridge Farm Cafe but that makes me think of the apprentice

Bruisername · 29/11/2023 21:00

Found a better translation for norwegian

tekoker

i like that very much. Suits tom somehow

Fink · 29/11/2023 22:39

I wonder what Fallon actually said to Natasha, apart from criticism of the name. Did she tell her all about Tom's stupid recipe ideas, micromanagement, throwing good weight around ...? Or just the Terroom thing? (I don't know how to spell it, but they thought it was tea room with the a missing so I took them literally)

EBearhug · 30/11/2023 00:24

I did enjoy Natasha telling Tom to stop being such an arse.

ArtG · 30/11/2023 05:57

Fallon’s sold all her kit to her new overlords; Grey Gables has upgraded with a secondhand (but cutting edge) kitchen. Is Fallon going to get the GG castoffs for a song to equip her EV charging café after telling T & N to stick their job?

Bruisername · 30/11/2023 07:28

Given the current approach to GG I would imagine no thought has been given to what to do with the old (new and high end) kitchen and it will probably be ripped out and put oj the bonfire!

iratepirate · 30/11/2023 08:47

I wonder if Tom realised that he had some way to go to regain the title of Least Likeable Archer.

AngryBirdsNoMore · 30/11/2023 08:56

iratepirate · 30/11/2023 08:47

I wonder if Tom realised that he had some way to go to regain the title of Least Likeable Archer.

There’s some stiff competition! But yes, I he’s been Pipped to the post…

Bruisername · 30/11/2023 09:13

I would say you have 2 classes of unlikeable archers
1- those whose characters aren’t likeable but they are well written and consistent (eg Tom)
2- those who are poorly written and acted (eg pip)

the second group will always be worse than the first because you can at least love to hate the first group whereas the second group are just deeply irritating

WoollyBat · 30/11/2023 11:04

You know, the sort of shop where you're served your overpriced cold-brew slow-drip coffee by someone with a man bun and deck shoes who came to work on a vintage unicycle.

That made me LOL because we have that very cafe near me! I’m too scared to go in because I won’t know the answers to questions about what kind of artisanal coffee I want.

I would say you have 2 classes of unlikeable archers
1- those whose characters aren’t likeable but they are well written and consistent (eg Tom)
2- those who are poorly written and acted (eg pip)

This is so true. And the well-written ones grow on you and have hidden depths, like in RL. Lynda used to annoy me a lot but I love her now. Kate is a fascinating portrait of a mindblowingly selfish, thoughtless person who nonetheless gets what she wants, attracts a partner etc, and has her good points, v true to life. Justin’s a ruthless arsehole but we get to see his soft side and why Lillian likes him.

WitcheryDivine · 30/11/2023 11:33

I did actually gasp when Tom referred to Fallon as "staff" and then truly delighted in Natasha giving him a bollocking for being "lord of the manor".

I can do a few more days of Tom v Fallon and then I'm so looking forward to her departure and the inevitable decline of the cafe and it becoming a money sink for the whole farm. So bored with everything the Bridge Farm Archers do, however unlikely e.g. cheese window, becoming a roaring success.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 30/11/2023 11:43

That made me LOL because we have that very cafe near me! I’m too scared to go in because I won’t know the answers to questions about what kind of artisanal coffee I want.

I steer well clear of places like that in case I'm sneered at for choosing beans grown on the wrong side of a Fijian mountain and I just know I'll chafe at getting a bill for £5.75 a pop.

When asked "What coffee do you want?", "Black, hot and in a cup" should suffice.

I can well imagine "Terrum" being the sort of place you avoid find in Hoxton.

Ambridge · 30/11/2023 11:52

Missed yesterday’s but have now caught up.

Happy to have it confirmed that Tom is a knob.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/11/2023 13:15

I see I posted this on a thread about hipsters 8.5 years ago. It still seems relevant, both in life and re TA. We still refer to coffee shops as looking a bit Bolivian, and give them a wide berth. Grin

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We made a terrible hipster-related mistake a couple of years ago, which is a masterclass in how not to be assertive. We were out for the day and went into a converted ticket office in Battersea which is now a coffee shop. Now, I like coffee. I am not a connoisseur by any means, but I do have strong views about it. I don't like weak coffee, especially when it's very milky, so more often than not when I'm out I order filter coffee. This is quite often also disappointing, but it's not as bad as weak milky coffee. My husband is a lot less fussy about coffee than I am and generally prefers to go for a cappuccino, as he positively likes milky coffee that isn't bitter. He hates black coffee.

Accordingly, when I noticed that this place had what was described as drip coffee, I assumed this was a modish way of saying filter coffee, so I ordered that. Rather to my surprise, my husband said he would have it too. The first warning sign was that both the people serving became slightly animated by our choice. They told us at some length about the beans the coffee would be made from (Bolivian), gave us a description of the flavour notes and a detailed comparison with last week's beans. This is the point when things went wrong. Instead of saying 'Ah - I think in that case this may not be for us - could we have instead....', we nodded and smiled, and sat down as instructed. The place was tiny, so we were inches from the two workers and felt inhibited from talking about what might be about to happen, but I could tell that my husband was full of foreboding, as I was.

Worker 1 then brought us two small glasses on saucers. She explained that to get the full flavour of the coffee it ought to be drunk at 50 degrees C but when it was first made it would be hotter than that. Pouring it into glasses would enable it to cool down more quickly. We expressed great interest.

We then noticed that worker 2 was hunched over a workbench pouring a little water into a filter balanced above a glass jug and waiting for it to drip through before adding a bit more. It took about ten minutes to produce a jug of coffee. When he brought it over, he explained about the temperature thing all over again and gave us a timer, which he set, so we could see when two minutes were up. Only then did he think it would be at a suitable temperature to drink. We nodded and smiled.

There was of course no milk. Neither of us dared to ask for any, as we thought the workers might weep at the pollution of the coffee. We waited the requisite time, as we dared do no other, and poured the coffee out. At this point it became clear that (a) there was enough coffee in the jug for about three glassfuls each and (b) neither of us was going to enjoy them. It was very clearly a connoisseur's drink. It didn't taste like coffee, more like some kind of herbal tea. It was acidic and rather thin and didn't have the lovely fullness in the mouth you get from the plebby coffee I like. My husband thought wistfully (and not out loud) about adding sugar but dismissed the idea for fear of being kindly but firmly told that this was not the done thing. We got through most of the coffee.

My husband then pusillanimously asked me to go up and pay, knowing what would follow. Workers 1 and 2 stopped what they were doing to ask me what I thought of the coffee. I did my best. I said several times that it was 'Interesting'. Then we beat a hasty retreat, getting out my extra strong mints to get rid of the taste. It was hours before I could face coffee again.

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I would actually enjoy hearing Tom try an approach like this in Ambridge, particularly if Jazzer happened to be his first customer.

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HumanWetWipe · 30/11/2023 13:45

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g , I think that sounds 'very Tom'. Remember the kefir?

SomethingMustBeScaringThemAway · 30/11/2023 13:56

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g GrinGrinGrin

(I’ve frightened the scaffolders outsider my window with my guffawing!)

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