Archers thread #154: Cider with Fat Rosie, Meadow Rise to Candleford or The Darling Horrobins of September? Get your rural saga fix – Discuss The Archers here!

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Thanks for the thread title suggestions. @HumanWetWipe came up with Cider with Fat Rosie and @BeardieWeirdie thought up Meadow Rise to Candleford. I wish I could have put in the Line of Duty mashups from the end of the last thread. Another time.

Heading for a ferry shortly, so nothing more from me for now. Over to you!

I may be misremembering, but I thought the whole moving out plan was George’s idea, part of his “I’m not a shit, I’m a poor misunderstood lad whose needs are not being met” plan to get revenge on Hannah by evicting her. And now he is reframing it as Will’s idea and how touched he was for Will to ask him to move in with him.

I definitely felt, last night, that George was in a way gaslighting his father. As I recall it was George’s idea for the two of them to move into the house on The Green together. (And he’d probably have been quite happy to leave Poppy behind.)

He wanted to escape the outrage and opprobrium at Grange Farm. And he wanted to get revenge on Hannah, by causing her eviction from Will’s house.

Of course, I might be mis-remembering …

Nope, you’re not misremembering. For once, I would welcome a personality transplant. I don’t want to hear about a mini Andrew Tate character, altogether too depressing.

I’m in an online training thing for work and someone just said ‘two bites of the apple’ instead of cherry and it immediately reminded me of this thread 😀

Yes I was hoping G’s comments last night showed the script writers were depicting him as two faced. The alternative is that they’ve just forgotten that this whole house move was a revenge plot against Hannah.

Place your bets …

I hope the George sl is about the immaturity of youth and we see him grow into a nice young man

i don’t really want to have to listen to nasty George for the foreseeable

Yes but with Knob on the way out, and Callmeruss gone, who will the dodgy villain be? I think G's true colours will begin to show.

I guess I don’t like the whole hero and villain thing and prefer when we see characters who are fundamentally decent but may act badly or have views that aren’t very nice occasionally

I just heard the lunchtime repeat - I was wrong. Will told Mia she could have Brad over, not Jake. That's weird - I'd have sworn it was Jake!

I agree - it makes characters much more credible.

I think George is just playing the injured martyr now. He's still nasty and manipulative right below the surface

Do we know where Hannah moved to?

It absolutely was George’s plan to move to the house. Which he’d crafted very deliberately and chillingly to take revenge on Hannah for her perceived unacceptable treatment of him.

(I once knew someone who perpetrated constant small malapropisms in a very amusing way (of which they were quite unaware, of course). I particularly liked ‘it’s as easy as falling off the back of a boat’.)

I'm very fond of cherries, and also very greedy. I find it hard to imagine who would need two bites to eat a cherry. I do concede that it usually takes a lot more than two bites to eat an apple, though.

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I often malpropri-ise deliberately- for some reason it humours me.

Mixed metaphors can be called malaphors (not a word that has made it into all dictionaries, but has existed for some time). It's specifically the blending of two metaphors though, as a malapropism is for words, e.g. 'until the cows freeze over' is a malaphor, 'the proof's in the pudding' is not (it's just wrong 😆).

I wonder if the fact that the photo frame presented to Will by Mia was silver, was lining up a valuable item for George to pinch in a desperate moment.

Pip AND Chelsea in one episode! My ears are bleeding!

More bloody eating.

I can’t face listening

Well, the synopsis for Tuesday 25th July, 2023 (episode written by Keri Davies) says

"When discussing with Will the possibility of his moving into the farmhouse, George makes it clear he doesn't really want to live at Grange Farm. He never said that was what he wanted: it was more Ed's idea. He appreciates it and all, but have they asked Oliver about it? After what happened about Caroline's bench, would he really want George living under the same roof? Will thought that was water under the bridge now, since Oliver gave him that money for his business, but George feels him hanging about the place chilling might make Oliver think he wasn't working hard enough. He also feels the place is hectic most of the time and young adults like him need a lot of sleep for their development and their mental health. He has a better idea: since he has to concentrate on his business and can't be bothering with things like cooking, and budgeting, he thinks he ought to move into Will's house at 1, The Green. Will is doubtful: would he be able to get on with Hannah? Oh, no, George was thinking Will could take the house back and he and George could live there."

I noted at the time that he said he couldn't be bothered with things like cooking, and budgeting, and seemed not to notice that he'd just said that he was planning to leave all that stuff to Will!

The episode in which George lays all the credit or blame for the idea on Will was written by Naylah Ahmed.

I’ve listened to the Archers for over 30 years but I’ve had enough of having my intelligence insulted. The Pip and Stella scenes are bad enough but the Lark Rise to sodding Candelford nonsense has pushed me over the edge.

The bit about the Lark Rise nonsense is just how many of the characters are up for the reading. In RL, I've found most people will run a mile rather than read aloud to an audience. And that's before we get to ones who think they can and can't.

I don’t know the protocol for ‘telling a five-year-old’ one is in a lesbian relationship. How does it work? Will she understand what’s being explained when they all get home tonight? Wouldn’t it be better for her to just get used to having more of Stella around first before a big reveal about who her mother is sleeping with?
Am genuinely asking as this is an area I don’t know much about (no children and straight). Piella’s approach seems very crass to me.

Stella taking pip to work is unprofessional isn’t it? And how weirdly they interact and go on about ‘working’. And needing to have a few drinks before telling Rosie. The whole thing is bizarre.

and did no one mention it’s cruel to let someone manhandle the baby pigs - they’re not pets. That whole scene seemed really unprofessional as well.