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Discuss The Archers #107: Beware of the Dragon! Peggy's in her den awaiting bids - who gets the hoard and who gets flamed?

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2019 12:36

Archers Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads and @DadDadDad for being our resident statistician and keeping the ball rolling when Pseudo stepped back a bit.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like to be Susan's best friend or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3439443-keep-it-to-yourself-the-archers-spoilers-thread-4, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Archers Thanks to @MrsGrindah for inspiration for the title of this thread. I was hoping to find a way to combine it with @C8H10N4O2's inspired suggestion of '"The Assumption of the Ambridge Angel' and @chemenger's comment 'I hope she gets kicked in the head by a horse and wakes up an atheist', but it all got a bit too lengthy.

Odds on Joe shuffling off this mortal coil before this thread ends? We've been marking/anticipating his passing for a while now.

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devoncreamtea · 28/07/2019 15:56

Oh that was such a horrible experience !!! Just listened to Friday’s episode. I have hated this SL - Tim was so shady about what this job was and insisted it wasn’t that bad until the 2nd run and at the last minute just as they were picking up the stuff it goes all ‘Godfather’ on us!
Poor Ed!
I also think the whole SW classist perspective on the Grundys is getting really old. Anyway isn’t Wd self employed? Surely he is contracting to HF?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/07/2019 16:11

QuaterMiss
“It’s your name on the land tenancy.” Eddie to Ed. Have slightly lost track. Is this the Grange Farm land? (Seem to recall some extra bit of land they wanted/had from Hone Farm maybe? Not Grundys’ Field, which they own I think.)
Anyway, surely said for a reason. If Grange Farm then I guess, on top of not being able to move to the new house, Ed has lost them the Grange Farm tenancy too, once Oliver hears ...

Oliver bought Grange Farm house, outbuildings and fifty acres of land. He kept a small dairy herd, then let Ed keep the herd, then gave Ed the money to buy the herd and leased him the land and outbuildings very cheaply. At that point Oliver and Caroline were still living in the house.

Ed has been leasing the fifty acres from Oliver since 2010 or so, at first to keep his dairy herd on and since then for various other schemes he has tired: beef cattle that were stolen, and now Texel sheep.

In December 2015 Oliver decided that he was going to let Grange Farm only the house and garden, not the land to the Grundys because they were otherwise going to be homeless, and let them have it at a reduced rent so they could be caretakers: someone had broken in while he and Caroline were in Tuscany. They have been there ever since, doing more damage then any number of burglars would have managed and in Emma's case being vile about Caroline daring to visit her own home; "Lady Muck" was what Emma called their benefactor's wife.

Anyhow; Ed also leased fifty acres from the Estate to keep his dairy herd on, and stupidly paid the rental for a year he didn't want after he sold the cows; he also had to give a year's notice the following year, because he didn't have the brain to go into arrears on the rent and get the land repossessed.

Nine acres (or it may have been hectares) christened Grundy's Field was bought by the Grundys with some windfall or other shortly after they moved back from Meadow Rise, and David let them have one acre (or maybe hectare) very cheap so that they had enough land to be allowed to have built a barn on it. Don't ask why David had land over there to let them have: it's at the far end of the village from Brookfield and surrounded by the Berrow Estate. Don't ask why Lynda knew the barn was there and felt obliged to complain about it as an eyesore; it is nowhere near Ambridge Hall, which is even further from Grange Farm than Brookfield is. For ages I thought Grundy's Field must be near Keepers Cottage, but it isn't: I finally found it on a map on the road towards Waterley Cross, near Grange Farm and nowhere near where the Grundys were living when they bought it.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/07/2019 16:14

Ed swallowed his meaningless "proide" and took the job at Home Farm that Johnny turned down so Adam would offer it to Ed. Ed only took it as a special favour to Adam, and because Emma told him to so they could get a mortgage. Working for someone else was something he'd always said he didn't want to do - except working for Oliver, because Oliver was so utterly soft when Ed went missing and didn't bother to show up for work at all, and treated Ed rather better than anyone would ever treat an employee in real life.

ScruffGin · 28/07/2019 16:36

So it's all falling down for EdnEmmur now... We all saw it coming! I wonder if he'll be sensible enough to go to the police now or is it going to go very very wrong for him?

BertrandRussell · 28/07/2019 16:44

Are we actually sure it is weed killer/pesticide? Is there anything else it could be?

QuaterMiss · 28/07/2019 16:48

Right.

50 acres at Grange Farm.

Fifty acres from the Estate.

1 acre (for the sake of argument) from Brookfield.

So which piece of land was Eddie talking about? (If I’d carried on listening this morning I might have been able to answer that.)

Thank you for the detailed setting out, Asking. The SWs certainly don’t make things easier for themselves or listeners. I can’t imagine it would be an easy job for poor, not terribly bright Ed to keep this patchwork of land organised.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 28/07/2019 16:49

Base for chemical highs? Doesn't seem very likely, though. It has been in boxes and in drums on different nights.

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/07/2019 16:57

Timotei was suggesting trying to sell it to Adam and then Will so it must be something agricultural, not drugs.

Eastie77 · 28/07/2019 16:59

A very sad episode on Friday. Aside from anything else, Will's rant ("you'll never let me be happy" or something along those lines) proved that deep down he still hasn't forgiven Ed for the whole Emma debacle and probably never will. He really sounded a bit unhinged.

I don't understand why he is convinced Ed getting into trouble will result in him losing Poppy. In reality, what grounds would Beverly have for claiming an errant uncle puts Poppy at riskConfused

Motoko · 28/07/2019 17:20

Timotei asked Will if he wanted to buy some weedkiller.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 28/07/2019 17:24

Will is sort of lookinmg out for his brother in hos own clumsy, unhinged way. I think he was as enraged with Tim as he was with Ed.

girlinabluedressagain · 28/07/2019 19:01

I hate this story line. I'm sick of nothing working out for the Grundy's. This situation is just horrible. I like Ed. I think he has a good heart (if I ignore the history of planning to effectively abduct his brother's son and run of with his wife...)

MrsGrindah · 28/07/2019 19:33

I think Emma has a lot to answer for. She’s been relentless in banging on about the house and Ed is too well willed to stand up to her. She’s put unnecessary stuff on the credit card and wasn’t bothered about using her connections to Justin to help secure the house. I’m not blaming her ..Ed has to own this...but she’S just going to whinge about how unfair this is.

MrsGrindah · 28/07/2019 19:33

Weak willed that should say

LassOfFyvie · 28/07/2019 19:47

This is an awful storyline. And totally unjustified.

LassOfFyvie · 28/07/2019 19:55

In all this drama do we know where Johnny and Hannah have moved to? Are they in a cereal cupboard somewhere?

QuaterMiss · 28/07/2019 20:52

Johnny had said he’d move back to Bridge Farm. Dunno about Hannah. She earns a salary and could presumably have given her details to a letting agency in Borchester (specifying a preference for somewhere in the vicinity of Ambridge) - but this being a soap, no doubt an Ambridge resident will offer her a room. Roy perhaps, as Kirsty and Philip will be moving out.

EBearhug · 28/07/2019 20:57

In all this drama do we know where Johnny and Hannah have moved to?

I think they're still at 1 The Green at the moment. I expect the Ambridge housing fairy will sort them out, though.

QuaterMiss · 28/07/2019 21:01

If the SWs are really evil they’ll find Hannah a deposit for one of the ‘affordable’ houses - right opposite Mianed’s prospective dwelling.

MikeUniformMike · 28/07/2019 21:07

The sale falls through and Hannah buys the house, and probably gets Neil's job too?

QuaterMiss · 28/07/2019 22:10

That crossed my mind ...

But I can’t stop listening after more than fifty years - so that s/l cannot happen. (Not unless Oliver suddenly decides to give, or leave, Grange Farm to Mianed ...)

Fink · 28/07/2019 22:47

Hannah's probably arranged to live with Dr Locke and Kathy and Jamie and the Buttons and all the other non-Archers who only have an actual life when they're needed for a plot line and otherwise have a shadowy, liminal, existence.

C8H10N4O2 · 28/07/2019 23:41

I think Emma has a lot to answer for

I don't agree. Emma isn't the most likeable character but she has worked her socks off for years doing the triple shift and Ed let her think he was doing no more than a bit of VAT avoidance. He then actively lied to her about the chemicals and still hasn't told her that he is hiding the stuff in the barn.

Frankly Ed should take over the home front and the casual work and let Emma be the breadwinner - she always has been in reality and unlike Ed she has an actual brain.

C8H10N4O2 · 28/07/2019 23:42

Hannah's probably arranged to live with [invisible characters}

Works for me. I can happily do without her particular brand of malign presence at the moment.

Motoko · 29/07/2019 00:07

Oh yeah, I'm not in a particular hurry for her to pop up, it's awful enough as it is. I hated it when she was undermining Neil, while he was off sick, and the way she used to wind Tom up with her "You've offended me"/"Only joking, it's just bantz!" schtick. That was quite abusive I felt, and I did feel sorry for Tom, she would seriously muck up his mental health, if he'd stayed with her.

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