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Discuss The Archers #107: Beware of the Dragon! Peggy's in her den awaiting bids - who gets the hoard and who gets flamed?

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2019 12:36

Archers Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads and @DadDadDad for being our resident statistician and keeping the ball rolling when Pseudo stepped back a bit.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like to be Susan's best friend or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3439443-keep-it-to-yourself-the-archers-spoilers-thread-4, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Archers Thanks to @MrsGrindah for inspiration for the title of this thread. I was hoping to find a way to combine it with @C8H10N4O2's inspired suggestion of '"The Assumption of the Ambridge Angel' and @chemenger's comment 'I hope she gets kicked in the head by a horse and wakes up an atheist', but it all got a bit too lengthy.

Odds on Joe shuffling off this mortal coil before this thread ends? We've been marking/anticipating his passing for a while now.

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ppeatfruit · 05/08/2019 15:48

So we 've got Shula and Al, Tom and Gnash, back together for how long? JD and Brian [nearly] Em n Ed. . big row brewing between Susan and Neil...... Anyone else?

TherapistInATabard · 05/08/2019 16:05

by August Lily and Russ would still be going strong (I assume, we've not heard anything recently)

When did they get together? I know it was talked about here and it seemed as though things were headed that way but are they definitely an item?

Madcats · 05/08/2019 16:07

Should Lily be going back to Uni in a month or so (I don't remember/care whether it was just 2018/19)?

Wouldn't it be great if Russ persuaded her that he really was needed at LL... so she should move to halls and make some friends.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/08/2019 16:10

Emma did badly in her GCSEs in 2000 and refused to retake any; instead of going back to school that autumn she found a job at the Lower Loxley café, and (with a lot of encouragement from Nigel) decided to get NVQ qualifications in catering. She didn't actually do anything about them at that point, though.

In September 2001, while going out with Will Grundy, she went to a concert with him, got bored, and took a lift home in a stolen car (Will's) with Ed. Ed drove into a tree and nearly killed them both; she was badly injured, in in a coma for thirty-six hours, nearly lost her leg, and for some reason decided that Ed was a hero for not actually killing her. He did drag her out of the car which will have done her leg no good at all and so perhaps deserved the hero bit a little, but not much. No NVQs that year either.

In December 2001 she started to look into courses at college, but was not yet able to go back to work at LL.

During 2002 she went on going out with William, and staying in with him as well. She started NVQs at college that September. In April 2003 she did work experience at Grey Gables, and learned about wines. After that she accepted a job working at Jaxx Caff. In May that year she had sex with Ed but decided to stay with William, and when he proposed marriage on her birthday she accepted William. (She also got a scooter to go in to college on, under the "Wheels to Work" scheme.)

In December 2003 she was awarded £12,000 by the Criminal Injuries Board as compensation for the accident which crippled her, because Ed had been driving uninsured and illegally. She decided to use it to pay for her wedding.

In July 2004 during the run-up to her wedding she took to going out with Ed again, and on her hen-night had sex with him; then she married William anyway, and carried on working at Jaxx after the honeymoon. Ed went off to Hungary rather than be Will's best man (I don't blame him!) and came back a few months later with an American girlfriend called Beth, and Emma was jealous and nasty.

After Emma had her baby (7th April 2005) she wanted to go back to work again but funnily enough her mum and William's mum, who both worked full time, couldn't baby-sit for her, which she took very badly. And since her husband was also working full-time he couldn't either. She got bored, and as soon as his American girlfriend Beth had gone back to the States started inviting Ed round whenever William wasn't likely to be home from work unexpectedly. Then she decided that the baby was Ed's and left William for Ed.

And then she and Ed tried to take the baby out of the country to a job Ed had got in France, without telling Will what they were up to.

Y'know, people keep saying Emma is intelligent, but I see very little evidence of it!

ppeatfruit · 05/08/2019 16:18

She's not thick though , she was a teenager (a short sighted one , aren't we all to an extent?) when the above was going on.

TherapistInATabard · 05/08/2019 16:25

FFS I read Russ and thought Rex, sorry for being thick Confused Grin

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 05/08/2019 16:25

When did they get together? I know it was talked about here and it seemed as though things were headed that way but are they definitely an item?

Lily and Russ was a huge storyline, are you thinking of a different (potential) pairing @TherapistInATabard? Lily and Rex maybe? That was suggested at one point, now seems to have been supplanted by Rex and Phoebe as a potential. Or even Russ and Elizabeth, bleurgh?

ArgumentativeAardvaark · 05/08/2019 16:26

Cross post! I read your mind correctly though! Sadly Lily and Russ still together as far as we know...

TherapistInATabard · 05/08/2019 16:28

Haha I am stupid! But ooh ooh what about Rex and Emma?

QuaterMiss · 05/08/2019 16:49

Rex and Emma? Impossible!Grin She’s lived a life, he’s just a baby ...

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/08/2019 17:06

The trouble is that Emma has learned nothing from the mistakes she made fifteen and twenty years ago, as far as I can tell. And that to me pretty-much defines "thick": not learning from your own mistakes.

Anyhow: in what ways has she shown herself to be intelligent? I haven't noticed them, and she seems to me to have less actual intelligence (ability to think things through, see what others may have missed, and so on) than her mother has. What she does is decide what she wants and then go for it like a bull at a gate, ignoring all possible reasons not to or to be a bit more circumspect, and that seems to me not to be particularly bright. And it hasn't worked before, so why does she always think it will work this time?

BloomingHydrangea · 05/08/2019 17:23

Kenton moved in and started co-managing the pub with Jolene, after a period when he was still managing Jaxx (?). The man who owned Jaxx decided to sell.

They did a swap. Fallon went to manage Jaxx and he came to the pub.

birdsdestiny · 05/08/2019 17:32

I think Emma is bright, very bright people make terrible decisions all the time.

LillianGish · 05/08/2019 17:49

After an absence of two weeks I just listened to the two films back to back and LOVED it (while I was doing my ironing in preparation for leaving again tomorrow). I'm now sitting down to catch up with the thread and got as far as But even if they do somehow bring that off - I don’t see how Ed and Emma can recover as a couple from Quater which was a prediction worthy of MysticBore. Leaving aside the nuts and bolts of the mortgage application process I thought the story arc was brilliantly done. Of course we all knew Emma would never get her house because as a Grundy\Horrobin her destiny is to remain firmly in her place as one of the have-nots of Ambridge. I thought the contrast between her and the "Haves" as she went desperately from door to door with her begging bowl was heartbreaking and really rose above the fiction of the plot to illustrate the plight of the rural poor who have no inherited land or houses as a cushion and with a virtual end to any form of social housing are now well and truly priced out of the areas where they grew up. She and Ed represent all those people in the UK working their socks off on zero-hours contracts just to scrape a living - destined to pay more in rent than they would on a mortgage but with no hope of ever affording a place of their own. That Ed has done a stupid thing makes it all the more poignant - they were so close to making their escape. Emma's utter desperation as she put aside any shred of pride in a final desperate attempt to stop the inevitable was hard to listen to - the reactions of the likes of Jim, Ruth, Fallon, Peggy and, most despicably of all, Kate were not surprising, but served to illustrate how wealth is mainly the result of good fortune (with the possible exception of Jim) rather than hard work. Emma's speech in which she railed against the unfairness of it all was a difficult listen. In the end their incompatibility comes down the fact that Ed is a Grundy - make do and be satisfied with your lot - while Emma is truly her mother's daughter. Anyway all brilliantly done I thought and after leaving to go on holiday feeling ready to give it up I'm well and truly hooked again.

LillianGish · 05/08/2019 17:50

Blush apologies for writing an essay.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/08/2019 17:50

Yes but that's the thing, birdsdestiny, I am trying to find out why you/people think that she is bright? How has she demonstrated it?

Because I can't think of any particularly bright things she has done.

Yes, very bright people do make terrible decisions, usually one of a given sort per very bright person; a very bright person doesn't usually make the same (or very similar) terrible decision over and over the way Emma does.

MargueritaBlue · 05/08/2019 17:58

She really isn't a very nice person is she?

birdsdestiny · 05/08/2019 18:02

She's articulate, she plans, she has a strategy to achieve her aims, she budgets, she has drive, she is interested in her community and can see a way out for her children. Her bad decisions have been around her emotional life. Brian for example has made endless bad decisions about his emotional life but because of his money and class he is protected. Brian was even able to break the law and it didn't really touch him, he and Jenny will move into a nicer house soon enough.

LillianGish · 05/08/2019 19:16

Emma is very much a product of her upbringing - neither of her parents are academic, she went to the local school, messed around, didn't have anyone on her case telling her to knuckle down (Susan's social climbing was always more focused on Neil's job, building her own house - basically just throwing off the shackles of being a Horrobin), Emma had her children young (like her own mother before her), she gets by in a variety of jobs which require few qualifications and has never been encouraged or given the opportunity to do otherwise. In another era she would have been allocated a council house. Compare her to someone like Kate (are they about the same age?) who also messed around and had her children at a young age, but was able to go to Felpersham Uni as a mature student, given a cottage of her own on the family farm, set up in a business on the family farm (a business for which her parents sacrificed their own home in order not disrupt). That's why Kate's comments were so stinging - there but for the grave of God and all that.

MikeUniformMike · 05/08/2019 19:47

Kate trying to get her claws into Jakob Grin.
Phil's bad neck.

Fink · 05/08/2019 20:04

Who was it predicted ages ago, on a previous thread, that Philip would die soon and leave Kirsty the whole house? Looks like that might come true fairly soon.

I wonder if she will get the house though, or whether there'll be some sort of drama with his kids. I hope she does, I like Kirsty.

Fink · 05/08/2019 20:06

I wonder if she'd be able to cover the mortgage on her own. I hope he's insured!

QuaterMiss · 05/08/2019 20:21

Coo! For a moment we all thought they were about to offer us Too Much Draaama. Grin

Actually they did it twice, first when he didn’t propose and then when he didn’t die. Philip is such a spoilsport.

Welcome back Lil’G.

Kate was born on 30 September 1977 and Emma on 7 August 1984 - but your point still stands, absolutely.

MrsGrindah · 05/08/2019 20:51

QuaterYou are confusing Rex with Toby
?

MrsGrindah · 05/08/2019 20:52

Sorry read that as Rex just had a baby!

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