The Archers #93: The Flower and Produce show - who's going to get their just desserts. Freddie? Ellis? Russ? Pass judgement here.

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No, that's not a jokey exaggeration, this is really the 93rd thread in a series started by PseudoBadger five years ago! In fact, post number 90,000 in the "official" count will be made on this thread.

Lovers of The Archers welcome (along with the rest of us who have a more complicated relationship with the "TA" ).

One rule we try to stick to: No mentioning of future episode plotlines published in the Radio Times etc. However, once an episode has aired, say what you like!

What is going to happen to Freddie? And are we ever going to hear from Lily again?
I also am wondering what it will take for Kenton to apologise to Fallon...

I will not be happy if Russ doesn’t get his comeuppance. He could have entirely prevented this!

Horrible outcome.

Where is Gruach?

newtlover it seems to be: www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/supplying-or-offering-to-supply-a-controlled-drug-possession-of-a-controlled-drug-with-intent-to-supply-it-to-another/

(Amused that in the alphabetical list of offences, the first is 'Abstracting Electricity')

Hiding in plain sight

witch , Ref. Tom and Hannah, he asked her out when she had just began sharing the house and she gave him a rude brush off. It was in Fallon's Cafe.

Mmmn A year in a young offender's institution, but he could be out in 6 months if he behaves well? Was Usha there to represent him? Oh and he WAS on bail I didn't hear it mentioned before Lizzie broke the terms. Did anyone else think that the actress who plays Hannah also played the judge?

Shula has been a good support to Elizabeth. Is Freddie going to be locked up with Ellis?

Did anyone else think that the actress who plays Hannah also played the judge?

Can't have been, she didn't mention Neil's shortcomings

Ah, that was the thing I missed that you mentioned before. Did he properly ask her on a date, or just politely try and suggest an activity because she was new? (You can tell I'm struggling to accept that he wanted to go out with her!)

Usha wouldn't be able to represent him in Crown Court.

ppeat ignore that, I've gone back to Lowfield. I actually remember the whole conversation now. I'd obviously surpressed it!

witch

Freddie is the best acted character in The Archers! Ever! fact! ( aside from Debbie)
So actually I feel really sorry and worried for him tonight.

Stillnotready I’m properly upset and a little shaken by what’s happening to him. (So for once the SWs must be doing something right.)

Looks like they may be going the "suicide in YOI" route. Shame. Freddie has been a relatively recent arrival to the audible world of Ambridge, and an interesting one. It would have been nice to have him around for longer.

I suppose they'll be doing their best to mount an appeal.

Nooooooooo Mere Maybe a thwarted attempt?

What makes you think that Mere? Surely they couldn’t be so cruel to Elizabeth? And, as numerous pps have said - Freddie’s life will still be possible once he’s released. He has no reason to give up on life.

So it's only me who agreed with the judge then? I mean, I like Freddie and mostly Lizzie (except for the Roy thing) but it's true that he was wantonly dealing drugs just because he could get away with it, with no regard for anyone's safety. I would have much more sympathy if he hadn't been from such a privileged family. Surely if anyone deserves a YOI for drugs it's precisely someone like Freddie?

I'm also upset - keep thinking of him spending his first night YOI tonight and how Elizabeth must be feeling. Surprisingly powerful storyline (DH says 'It's not real you know' - that's why I'm on here )

It's his own fault of course, drug dealers deserve to be punished, but YOI for a boy like Freddie makes me shudder. And the thought of Elizabeth losing both her twins ...

What makes you think that Mere? I'm just trying to think why they've sent him to prison. They've been trying to be "relevant" - eg emotional abuse story - so that seemed an obvious current story to hook into. Makes sense, Freddy won't cope with prison. And the prospect of a future won't be enough to keep him going through the hell that will be YOI as a posh boy.

There again they could just be shaping up to explore "county lines". In which case, we'll have an improbable story line in which YOI "is the making of him".

Surely if anyone deserves a YOI for drugs it's precisely someone like Freddie? Deserves, yes, but if the aim is to stop him doing it, then that's probably been sorted already. Why waste more public money?

Deserves, yes, but if the aim is to stop him doing it, then that's probably been sorted already. Why waste more public money?

Well, firstly, that's not the only aim of the justice system, is it? Rehabilitation is part of it, but there are still elements of deterrent and retribution. Imagine if something had happened to someone he'd dealt to, that person's family would not accept that he should get away with it simply because he was now sorry.

And secondly, we only know that he probably wouldn't do it again because we know the character. Why would a judge believe his expressions of remorse anymore than those of anyone else who's been caught and puts on an act? It takes reams of paperwork and expert advice for parole boards, for example, to reach their assessment of a prisoner, Freddie has made no material change to his life which would indicate that he's actually turned a corner. I just don't see what about the way he presents would warrant taking the risk that he might reoffend.

ppeatfruit, Freddie could only have been out on bail. When you have been charged with an offence and are awaiting trial, you are either out on bail or remanded in custody, there's no third option.

Usha wouldn't be able to represent him in Crown Court.

She would if she has higher audience rights.

Lilliagish your husband knows nothing.
I -watched- heard these children grow up, usually when my own real ones were in the bath.

It's funny how you never see Gruach and a certain suggester-of-thread-titles in the same room.

I would have much more sympathy if he hadn't been from such a privileged family. Surely if anyone deserves a YOI for drugs it's precisely someone like Freddie?

I don't think the background should have any bearing on this. Nobody needs to deal in drugs.