The dog days of summer are approaching Ambridge. Freddy’s being hounded and Brian is in the dog house - can Jenny take the ruff with the smooth?

[PseudoBadger]

Thanks to all for the dog ideas, and special mention to Ppeatfruit.

Discuss the Archers here!

Kate and Toby are single, Pip has been very clear she doesn't want a relationship with him. He is a young man who is going to have girlfriends and this being ambridge those girlfriends are going to be people that pip knows. If he had shagged kirsty would it have been any better? However he is right about one thing that they should have kept quiet about it, it was a one night stand and only those 2 needed to know.

They should have kept quiet about it. And it was pretty sleazy of both of them. And she's practically old enough to be his mother. And Phoebe was there. And just ick.

To be fair to Toby, he wasn't planning to tell anyone.

Kate's announcement to Pip was just nasty.

Shappey - do you know many people with a pro-Brexit Tory tattoos?

Maybe David Davis, ex-army, when he tells Barnier "it's time to roll up our sleeves and get this sorted", is it in order to reveal his "fuck off, Europe" tat.

It's not the first time Kate and Tobes have shagged though, is it?

I"m sure I remember it happening not long after she returned to Ambridge. Another drunken liaison, after a party, iirc?

Kate likes to get around! Which is her business but I never know why as she's so annoying to me

They did it at another party, can't remember which one. The arrival of the pickers last year?

If Phoebe is pregnant, it will be the worst TASWAMA moment ever

Nah ... She’s her mother’s daughter. She’ll leave the baby at Home Farm and skedaddle back to Oxford. She’s not daft.

(And the SWs don’t want to provoke my wrath.)

Shappey - do you know many people with a pro-Brexit Tory tattoos?

Not personally, no. But there are fascist knobheads out there with delightful tattoos. Googling 'Brexit tattoo' wasn't much fun either

Wasn't the previous shag on the night when the pool was polluted with the blue dye they use to show which ewes have been serviced by the ram?

That was it, Gasp0! Although, wasn't the dye purple?

Pip and Kate are 2nd cousins, so aren't that closely related.

Close enough, particularly living in the same village. And one that we know ofof them being pregnant by him. In real life people would definitely be unimpressed/ judge them and is find it strange that’s not represented.

Pip is not judged by anyone other than to be the golden one. Kate is judged to be useless.
In reality, people would talk.

And she's practically old enough to be his mother.

How old is Toby? I thought he was the older brother and 30ish?

Definitely a sleazy situation though and boasting about it afterward (which was my interpretation of Kate's need to be 'true') was tacky.

I assume Toby is heading towards 30 and Kate is 40 isn't she? Although on the publicity photo I have just seen he looks about 17.

No-Toby's the younger one. He's 25ish, I think?

I don't know anyone with a baby from a ONS - we've all either been with the father and in most cases have been actively trying which may have taken some considerable time

I got pregnant the one and only time I didn't use contraception. It wasn't a ONS in one sense as I'd been with him for years and we have been together over 35 years now but was a ONS from point of view of getting pregnant.

Phoebe definitely didn’t have an abortion R4. She was worried that the MAP hadn’t worked because she was sick but she eventually got her period. The whole thing was just a setup for “hilarious consequences” of Roy thinking Lexie was shagging the fit young picker. And I also felt that Phoebe’s split condom drama was a bit TASWAMA- why shouldn’t she have had a bit of fun?

"but was a ONS from point of view of getting pregnant."

That's what I meant. There was a worrying undercurrent of "you can't get pregnant if you only do It once/standing up/if there's an R in the month.."

Am I particularly tone-deaf on these things? Pip doesn't want anything to do with Tobeee and has made that very clear. Toby and Kate are both single and free to shag. Kate and Pip are distant cousins and not even, so it seems, particularly close to each other. Pip wouldn't confide in Kate about her feeelings, oh, woah, woah, feeelings and vice versa. I don't see the age gap as relevant. Not to a shag, anyway. And even a teensy bit misogynist and judgey-pants TBF. They could and probably should have kept it quiet, since it really falls into the category of TMI. BUT if Kate is pregnant, is she supposed to seal her lips on the child's paternity? Forever?

Everyone will know that Toblertwo was conceived by in flagrante in an inflatable.

No, I don’t think so Peartree. It’s just that the thought of two women battling for one man’s attention for their offspring would be boring and predictable.

Kate and Phoebe pregnant at the same time would be a lot more interesting.

Totally agree that as two consenting single adults there’s nothing wrong with Kate and Toby DTD, but her blabbing it out to Pip was a bit crass wasn’t it? She really relished it as well. She’s one’s of those people who says things people would rather not hear and then says ‘I’m just being honest’.

Also, the age gap isn’t as big as Kirsty and Philip I think.

Kate and Toby are both pretty sleazy people-especially Toby. And telling Pip like that publically was seriously grim.