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The Archers: Will Pip grow or Jill blow? Lil make her vow or Justin take his bow? Discussion #83

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DadDadDad · 02/12/2017 14:06

TA (The Archers) annoys me intensely but I still have to listen
I think there is a possibility that we obsess about TA in a way that most listeners don't

If this is you (genuine quotes from earlier threads), or you're new and want to ask anything about The Archers, then this is the right place.

PseudoBadger started it, but we're going to finish it (er, will TA ever finish?)

The panto is meant to be Sleeping Beauty, but are you expecting farce (Mother Goose Pip) or tragedy (Puss Cat in Wedding Dress Boots )?

This should see us through to Christmas. Xmas Smile Archers

At the end of the last thread we were remembering recent successful marriages in Ambridge. How long ago was Ed & Emma?

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ppeatfruit · 16/12/2017 11:17

Get over it you lot ,Lizzie had an abortion didn't she? It's not a first for TA, it was many years ago .

People can change their minds. Despite thick nurses.

BertrandRussell · 16/12/2017 11:24

Okaaaaaaaay.....

ppeatfruit · 16/12/2017 11:43

Well I do think there has been a slight over reaction Grin Bert Maybe she's come over all maternal or something. It's not like she and her family are incapable of looking after a baby.

TheAntiBoop · 16/12/2017 11:56

It was entirely predictable she would keep the baby. I couldn't give a shit about the pathetic storyline which they have decided the worst actor on the pay roll should be leading. As soon as the dopeys come on I will switch off.

The way that scene was written was awful and I don't think there has been an over reaction on this thread to that.

LillianGish · 16/12/2017 12:31

the pathetic storyline which they have decided the worst actor on the pay roll should be leading this is the problem in a nutshell - putting the worst actor centre stage. Also the promise of some dreadful child acting down the line in which the said child remains a toddler until they are ten years old before being locked in the cereal cupboard. C8/Caffeine your emoji is what helped me overcome my fury - I laughed out loud when I saw it.

Teenyftroon · 16/12/2017 13:02

I'm holding my breath for the Grundys. I hate the way they are treated.

Sick of TA at the moment (can't stand Justin or Pip) but reading these threads for the interesting chat and info. (Thanks, DDD for the caffeine info - I spotted it just as I was about to Google.) Grin

R4 · 16/12/2017 13:13

The way that scene was written was awful and I don't think there has been an over reaction on this thread to that.

This. There is a difference between the will-she / won't-she of the storyline (I suppose I should care about Pip's outcome, but I don't) and the Public Service Information angle (that scene should have been unbiased).
Talking of which, what has happened to the PSI financial scam storyline - is it over and done with?

ppeatfruit · 16/12/2017 13:44

I just LA to the clinic scene and the nurse never tried to persuade Pip to change her mind about the abortion she just suggests that she needs a friend for support and Pip says ,bravely and stupidly, that she doesn't need anyone.

TheAntiBoop · 16/12/2017 13:50

Well I sincerely hope that is how most people heard it

i don't like to wish unemployment on anyone but they have seriously miscast pip and most of my disinterest in her sl is due to that

RockNRollNerd · 16/12/2017 14:09

Everything has already been said about the clinic scene so won't add to it but my biggest worry now is we're going to have a re-hash of the Elizabeth and David at loggerheads over secrets plot that dragged on for months after SATTC and nearly stopped me listening for good. It was only my long drive every day to and from work and desperate need for podcasts that kept me listening through that storyline.

BertrandRussell · 16/12/2017 14:15

"I just LA to the clinic scene and the nurse never tried to persuade Pip to change her mind about the abortion she just suggests that she needs a friend for support and Pip says ,bravely and stupidly, that she doesn't need anyone."

So glad you heard it like that. You must have missed the "are you sure?" "Sure you're sure?" Oh, And you think that women who choose to do difficult things on their own are stupid? Blimey

TheAntiBoop · 16/12/2017 14:16

Agree - that's what pisses me off. This whole abortion bit was only added in to give a reason for a fall out IMO

Doesn't David have beef with Kenton that could be focussed on instead?

RockNRollNerd · 16/12/2017 14:23

Totally unrelated but whilst trawling twitter to see what people made of last night I saw

Ghostontoast · 16/12/2017 14:33

I’ve got some questions.

  1. Why is Ruby the dog with Justin when Matt gave it to Lilian as a present - or did she lie to him where the dog came from?
  1. What has happened to Alfie - Pip’s latest squeeze?
  1. Will Pip rely on the Ambridge child-care fairy to bring up the Piplet?
  1. Or will this child be adopted by the Macy-Craig’s?
Sludgecolours · 16/12/2017 14:54

I've just listened to the episode for the first time whilst wrapping presents having first read about it on here and I genuinely didn't hear any particular bias. The nurse told Pip she wanted to discuss things with her in full so she knew what to expect (or words to that effect) which is surely sensible given the circumstances. I then heard her explain the possible side effects of the drugs (obligatory I would have thought) and advise Pip that she should have someone with her (again, standard protocol I imagine). Didn't here any coercion in either direction tbh.

Agree with everyone that the sl is wearisome though. I can understand the attraction for the scs though: the continuation of old family feuds continuing down the generations (and the attendant dramas with Jill etc) , the negative (or positive?) effects on the relationship between the only girl/golden child (and her parents), the effects that an unplanned pregnancy could potentially have on a single woman's career ambitions (particularly in such a physical job as farming), the gossip in the village etc etc - its easy pickings (sadly!).

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 16/12/2017 15:58

the pathetic storyline which they have decided the worst actor on the pay roll should be leading

this is the problem in a nutshell - putting the worst actor centre stage.

Indeed. I'm looking forward to the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments when the Dopeys find out and hopefully a ridiculous show down with Elizabeth where one or more Dopeys make a complete fool of themselves.

Unfortunately this will be brief before they revert back to fussing over SuperPip. Ruth and Jill will of course adore their grandchild/ great grandchild which will turn out to be the best thing to happen to them.

ppeatfruit · 16/12/2017 16:02

Bert Come on now, if a man was going to have a walk in operation that could create after effects of illness and or fainting, then it would be necessary to have someone accompanying him. Would that be wrong?

It's,no doubt, standard protocol as Sludge says

BertrandRussell · 16/12/2017 16:25

Pp- this was her second appointment And nothing wrong with explaining the procedure and possible side effects. Everything wrong with "Are you sure? Are you're sure you're sure?"

JessieMcJessie · 16/12/2017 17:37

I think we need to hear from current TOP practitioners whether or not thatvexchange was true to life. If not, the BBC should be thoroughly ashamed of itself and consider whether some women might now be put off seeking a termination.

cheminotte · 16/12/2017 19:51

I was hoping for something explaining the risk of her miscarrying on the way back from the clinic but she couldn't just take the pills at home as abortion is still technically illegal in England.

Slowtrain2dawn · 17/12/2017 10:17

I used to work for BPAS. At women’s first appointments my role was to discuss their decision with them to check they were ok with it, weren’t being pressured by anyone etc. This was done sensitively and without judgement. I also did admin, form filling etc. They then saw a dr for examination who would also ask if they were decided and finally another dr for required second signature. Treatment would then be booked. At treatment stage I think they would just be asked to confirm that there was no change to their decision. So, usually asked 4 times in total. I worked there 10 years ago. The two dr signatures are required by law. So if Pip still needed the second signature that might be why she was asked again, it did seem over the top and I agree it might put women off. I agree with the campaigners that are trying to get the second signature dropped. I believe the counselling around the decision is valuable for some women who are struggling with the decision but that should have been resolved before treatment stage.

R4 · 17/12/2017 10:31

I wonder how Toebee is going to react.

FWB ... we're serious ... you're dumped ... let's get back together ... let's split because it doesn't work ... I'm pregnant but getting rid ... I couldn't go through with it ...

She is so flaky.

R4 · 17/12/2017 10:41

Sorry, slowtrain, didn't see that you had posted. That was very helpful, thank you.
It's right that the decision is probed but the TA version of "are you sure that you're sure" seemed OTT at that late stage of the process.
I think that a second doctor is a sensible system, otherwise the single doctor could be bribed or hookwinked or whatever. It's always a good idea to have checks and balances.

ppeatfruit · 17/12/2017 11:02

But R4 The nurse was only asking Pip about her going home on her own without a helper.

Thinking about this SL it's very true to life; an on off 'mature' couple who enjoy sex but can't see themselves in a solid relationship, having an 'accident'. It's not a punishment. It can happen. Toby's reaction was quite good IMO.

TheAntiBoop · 17/12/2017 11:17

It can happen

But this sl didn't need the abortion clinic scene. It's a highly emotive subject and to throw it in as a plot device is extremely crass.

It also doesn't need pip having stereotypical pregnancy symptoms either

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