Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Radio/podcast addicts

Discuss your favourite podcast, radio show or The Archers episode.

Original poster

The Archers: The Crook, the Vet, His Wife & Her Lodger - discussion #80

985 replies

DadDadDad · 16/08/2017 13:14

In full acknowledgement of PseudoBadger's great achievement in providing the previous 79 threads over the past 4 years (and credit to R4 for this thread's title)...

Discuss TA (The Archers). New posters encouraged - it's not (too) cliquey here and plenty of regulars are happy to answer questions. Archers

One rule: no spoilers (ie no mentioning future plot teasers from Radio Times listings etc) - there's a separate thread for that.

So, is Phoebe pregnant? will Anisha dob in (dobbin - geddit?) Alistair?

PS I don't presume to take on PB's role permanently - hopefully the job of starting new threads will rotate among regulars until she returns

OP posts:
ppeatfruit · 20/09/2017 09:22

Josh will tell? Grin

RolfNotRudolf · 20/09/2017 09:31

Pip is awful. She "started it" yesterday with her nasty comments about Josh's business, yet Ruth immediately jumped to her defence.
Wrt Pip coming clean about the whole IBR fiasco I thought she already did that? What hasn't she told them?

ppeatfruit · 20/09/2017 11:07

No she didn't tell them that she had asked Josh to mend the fence, out of which the cattle escaped, and he hadn't done it. But of course she saw it first so should have done it immediately.

RolfNotRudolf · 20/09/2017 12:23

Thanks PP

echt · 20/09/2017 12:44

Why has Pip got a bit ooo-aarrr with her accent? Apart from being a shit actor.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 20/09/2017 13:25

I really can't stand Pip. Or Ruth. Yes that adds nothing to this discussion but still... they are horrible and boring.

BertrandRussell · 20/09/2017 13:39

I hate Pip so much I don't have any hate left for anyone else......

TheAntiBoop · 20/09/2017 13:43

Me too Bertrand

We must be due an untimely death

RolfNotRudolf · 20/09/2017 14:18

No untimely death for Pip please - I couldn't bear the he sound of Ruth and David grieving for the rest of years. It would be lovely if she could emigrate a long way, preferably with Toebeee.

TheAntiBoop · 20/09/2017 14:24

They'd still whine.

I can take the dopeys grieving as I'd know she was ever coming back.

They desperately need to recast her and let Daisy focus on tv

EBearhug · 20/09/2017 19:17

So which of the many possible ways is Adam going to let Ian down?

Drivemetofolkestone · 20/09/2017 19:19

Ian is being such a dick! He couldn't have cared less about Adam's falling out with Ed. It's all about getting his baby.

R4 · 20/09/2017 19:34

Is this birthday party with these internet trolls lovely people where, conveniently, some surrogate is also coming along all a bit too-good-to-be-true? Is a scam for the desperate and gullible.

selsigfach · 20/09/2017 20:27

Very weird, R4. I mean, I enjoy a good natter to you all about The Archers but no way would I invite you all to my daughter's birthday. No offence! Grin

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 20/09/2017 21:25

Tom is an idiot. What on earth was he on about?

BertrandRussell · 20/09/2017 22:27

The script writers thought we would find Tom doing management speak funny. I don't think we did, did we?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 20/09/2017 22:41

No we didn't find it funny.

BertrandRussell · 20/09/2017 22:46

I think they also thought we would find Carrie and Susan being relegated to the poly tunnels funny too........

C8H10N4O2 · 20/09/2017 23:35

No she didn't tell them that she had asked Josh to mend the fence, out of which the cattle escaped, and he hadn't done it.

But Josh said he was tight for time and offered to do her milkings the next week and she would fix the fence.

She then failed to fix the fence. It was utterly her fault and every time she pulls this stunt I want Josh to tell her to FOAD, and spill the details. The pathetic pandering by Ruth and David just makes her more loathsome.

C8H10N4O2 · 20/09/2017 23:40

some surrogate is also coming along all a bit too-good-to-be-true?

Oh I'm sure we will be tortured with this story line for much longer. I'd quite like a decent storyline about them adopting - ISTR that Caroline and Oliver fostering was done reasonably well. An Archenders endlessly traumatic surrogate story ending in drahma is something I could do without.

selsigfach · 21/09/2017 07:40

I find the idea of intentionally bringing a baby into this world that will never know its mother, benefit from breastfeeding or have the '4th trimester' that it needs very sad. As lovely as Iain is, he's just not mum.

ppeatfruit · 21/09/2017 08:54

Sad to say this but I agree with you selsigfach also there are plenty of unwanted babies (and children) in the world who really need a secure loving home,, let alone the population explosion.

I do understand the yearning for your own baby though.

BertrandRussell · 21/09/2017 09:28

I would imagine it's unlikely that they would pass the vetting for adoption. Surely their relationship is too fragile and Adam at least is too old?

TeenTimesTwo · 21/09/2017 10:00

Bertrand
Adam isn't too old to adopt. He's 50 which is the age my DH was when we were placed with our DC. They tend to go off the age of the younger of the couple and then need a maximum 40/45 age gap. Not sure how old Ian is, but say he is 45, then they would be eligible to adopt at least a 5yo+, and possibly a baby.

However I agree their relationship seems fragile, so depending on how it is discussed that could be an issue.

ppeat plenty of unwanted babies (and children) in the world who really need a secure loving home .
Generally inter-country adoption is even more long and drawn out than UK adoption. It is also expensive. Generally (Madonna aside), bringing a child to this country can be fraught with difficulty. Emotionally it can be very hard as the child as well as adapting to new carers then also has to deal with new language, food, weather etc. Only certain countries permit intercountry adoption, and a number of them I suspect (but don't know) may well not permit adoption by a gay couple.

Within the UK there really aren't plenty of 'unwanted' babies or children. There are a relatively small number of relinquished babies (these days if someone doesn't want a baby they tend to get an abortion). Other children awaiting adoption have come through the care system. This does not mean they are 'unwanted', more that the parents have failed to care for them appropriately. These kids tend to have their own difficulties, and adopting them needs to be a very positive choice, understanding the attachment and other issues that may arise.

With respect to surrogacy, this is something I know less about. But I very much doubt they will 'never know their mother'. Many babies are also not breastfed for various reasons. For me there are a whole other bunch of risks to surrogacy surrounding what if the birth mother doesn't like how the child is being brought up, or what if the baby is born disabled and the 'new' parents reject it (sorry don't know the correct terms). Plus the fact that one parent in this case would have a genetic link and the other wouldn't which could cause issues with Ian being the 'proper' parent trying to override Adam with parenting decisions.

I suspect there are as many issues to consider with surrogacy and with adoption, they are just different. Adam and Ian need to be considering carefully each before jumping in. They seem to be being anything but careful.

Ceto · 21/09/2017 10:02

I don't understand why all Archer mothers seem to get so needy around their adult offspring. Pat and Jenny both do it, and now we have Ruth joining in as well. Someone needs to point out that parents in their thousands survive their offspring going out to work and moving out without going all whingy and pathetic.