Roy and Kirsty up a tree, K I S S I N G? Swipe right for The Archers thread and enjoy the Ambridge dating scene.

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Yes Ebear There will come a point which will break the camel's back. But she is also trying to prove a point to her family so it may take something very grim for her to chuck him out !

This is what really annoys me. Rex and Tobes are meant to be chalk and cheese, they don't like or respect each other. So why on earth did they move to Ambridge together ? It makes no sense. I also think Rex is vile. He thinks Pip is his because he saw he first, what misogynist bile.
As for Adam, what did he really expect from Brine ?

I too thought he was bordering in abusive the other night - but again almost through thoughtlessness and childishness than malice. I thought it was really sad how he dismissed he conversation about stir-up Sunday - even if it is a bit weird it's her family tradition, and given how close she was to her Gran previously I could understand her wanting to offer an olive branch by turning up.

She/the family have really painted herself into a corner though because she's so vehemently defensive of Toby in the face of their opposition. Will be interesting to see how long it lasts and what makes her finally kick him out.

Going back to Rob's monthly contact. I think for a baby almost any contact other than daily care-giver is probably pointless. But many children only see, for example, their grandparents once a month (or less). I guess over time Rob will be familiar to Jack. But ime it will take until he's 18months - 2yrs for him to really remember him with this infrequent contact. Will be interesting to see how Rob copes with that - can't see him liking it or really tolerating it. All the more need for professional supervision in my opinion

Pip has got form for choosing unsuitable boyfriends - but she's quite spoilt and indulged and working through who she wants to end up with.

I think the cowherder who went to Cumbria will come back and sweep her off her feet just as Toby has done something particularly stupid...like introduce her to the mother and baby in Brighton.

Saying 'Hey Pip, I thought you'd be cool with it, can I borrow some money for maintenance? Let's go back to bed!'.

redshoe Maybe it was to do with the triumph of hope over experience, so many people are like that. Toby talks the talk but can't carry it through (apologies for the cliches)

I don't think Toby is abusive the way Rob is.

He's just a thoughtless self-centred wanker.

Pip is less than impressed with Toby atm but I agree that all the defending him to her family has meant that she is even kidding herself that he is a catch.

I like the thought of the psychologist report lying unopened on the doormat at BHC

I also think Rex is vile. He thinks Pip is his because he saw he first, what misogynist bile.

I don't see it like that redshoe. Rex confided his massive crush to Toby, who wasn't in the least bit interested in Pip at the time (wasn't he frolicking with Kate?). Rex also knows Toby better than we do and probably believes that Toby doesn't really care for her. Rex, on the other hand, cares enough that he doesn't want to see her hurt or upset. We have enough clues about the type of person Toby is to understand Rex's frustration and anger.

And if one of my siblings did similar to me I'd be raging!

I also don't see it that way. After all, Rex backed off when the cowherd was around, so he clearly doesn't view Pip as his.

Aaah though Toby DID have Pip in his sights early on, he was interested in a her for her inheritance. IIRC.

Even more of a reason for Rex to be furious though ppeat - proof to him that Toby doesn't really care about her and is probably only after her money (which he's starting to spend already!).

I think Pip and Toby are perfectly suited.
Pip loves Pip more than anyone in the universe
ditto Toby.

So Toby expects pip to cater for him (probably meaning she has less time for other stuff) and is alienating her from her family. Isn't that how it started with knob?

I don't really think it matters if Toby is evil like rob or not. They are both self centred and unable to empathise. I think Toby is vile tbh

It'll take time because of Pip's pride but she'll chuck him out soon enough (taps nose wisely).

Pip estranged from family at Christmas? Surely not.

Was Clarrie's anniversary treat one of those Archers compare & contrast things - whole family pulling together to do something nice, unlike the Home Farm lot?

I hope that, now SOC has gone, they will ease up on the compare & contrast. It never used to be so obvious and clunky.

Low -I thought it was lovely. Doing up the cider shed, with the family around, but not showy

Happy to see I got the mouth bit right.

Incidentally, has anyone got the link for the Lincoln event in February? I imagine it's fully booked now - but I'd like to read the details. I have relatives in Lincoln - I've been there and I know where it is.

It certainly felt like it Low.

I felt the compare/contrast recently has been more the decent blokes who know they're not perfect (eddie, neil, roy I guess) and the nasty ones with a high opinion of themselves (rob, toby, justin)

Last nights ep was lovely. Eddie put a lot of thought into the day and luckily got it spot on. For once. It was great to hear the Grundys being happy for a change.

I would have enjoyed last night if only I had not been constantly waiting for the sting in the tail. Held my breath every time Joe snored.

No, the SWs are being nice now they're not being whipped up by SOC. Even had Emma, only slightly grudgingly, admit that Nic had done quite a lot too.

I am pleased to report that when I started to type 'grudgingly', my iPad offered me both grundies and Grundies

I agree, Gruach, I was waiting for Joe to die at any moment.