One Flue Over The Shepherd's Hut - Discuss The Archers Here

[PseudoBadger]

I do hope Lynda has a carbon monoxide monitor in there...

trojan those changes could just as easily be vaused by Helen's 'increasingly erratic behaviour'. at the moment thete is no light at the rnd of the tunnel.

I agree SmallLegsOrSmallEggs and that's Rob's narrative and has been all along, but I'm hoping if someone objective looks into the situation, the truth may come out, and maybe the issue of where Henry should live going to court will be the precipitant to someone investigating properly?????

I can't listen to a 5 year old being abused, I can't listen to Helen having a baby and losing it to Rob - not in the name of "entertainment" and it's too pantomime and sensationalized to be educational at this point.

I listened a bit while Rob was in hospital close to death but I have stopped again. Lots of my friends have stopped listening too. I wonder whether the BBC has noticed Front Row's listening figures are down?

Does tuna pasta bake exist as a real thing? Remember when Pip made one when everyone at Brookfield had forgotten how shopping, cooking and eating happened? It was a proxy for normality returning then. And now it's a proxy for scales falling from eyes..........

Maybe we should all make one for dinner tonight and see what magical effects it has?

Booming, whilst your FB contact knows about the Family courts, I'm not sure she knows about the criminal courts. The suggestion that a prosecution witness wouldn't be allowed to stay with the victim is just wrong; if a child had witnessed his mother being stabbed by his father, there is just no way he would be prevented from seeing his mother for months till the trial was over.

Tuna bake definitely exists. It is one of those scary recipes from 1960s America, can of tuna, can of sweetcorn, Cambells soup, pasta & then usually the host tells you that you'll never guess what the crunchy topping is before revealing it is crisps.

I am getting palpitations just from reading this thread (Rob laughing down the phone at Pat) so am extremely glad I am not listening at the moment.

I still remember texting my DH when the Brian/Jenny/Siobhan love triangle came to light. THAT was gripping radio. This is like rubbernecking a car crash The Henry thing is just too much.

"Tuna bake definitely exists. It is one of those scary recipes from 1960s America, can of tuna, can of sweetcorn, Cambells soup, pasta & then usually the host tells you that you'll never guess what the crunchy topping is before revealing it is crisps"

Oh, God. And can you "ring the changes" by using different flavor of soup? And "for a tasty alternative" use a mixture of grated cheese and crushed wetabix for the topping? And possibly some hard boiled eggs in the mixture.....

I would hope that Dominic will let Helen know what is happening and she'll finally wake up. She was very insistent that she was trying to save Henry on the night of the stabbing incident, and the thought of Rob and Ursula having sole care will surely be an absolute nightmare for her.

I can't listen to a 5 year old being abused

I hope that the SW will have more sense than to do that. One of the positive aspects of the Rob/Helinn story is that Rob has not been a pantomime baddie. Most of the time, as a PP said, he treats Henwee pretty well and does seem to have genuine affection for him, even though he also uses Henwee to manipulate Hellinn. It's a much more nuanced and realistic characterisation than making Rob a coldly scheming psychopath.

It is irritating when TV/films portray abusers as monsters - it gives the message that they are not normal people when the sad reality is that they are all too normal - normal people who do terrible things. For most of this storyline, the SWs have been more subtle than that. I hope it continues though the last few weeks haven't given much cause for optimism.

augusta. The post I copied doesn't mention anywhere about Henry not having any contact with knob? I accept (even though we all know otherwise) that poor Henry will have contact with knob. I have argued earlier that it should be supervised contact, but as P&T have lost the ability to think contacting the police, legal team, SS would be a good idea, it will happen. But for SS not to even be informed???

I copied the post as it explains parental rights.

If parental rights are so easy to come by Hellin could agree joint parental to her parents. That would spike knobs guns. After all she's not been convicted of anything yet.

And P&T should start taping all contact with knob, but they are far too thick to do that

Guess it's already been said up thread, but as I can't listen anymore, after 50 years + of listening, and I can hardly bear to read the thread as it's as upsetting , I don't know but - Pat'n'Tone will probably pay SSP to Rob; I can't see that they can to Hellin whilst she's in custody? I think SSP ih hardly going to pay the rent etc so either Arsula & Frank pick up the slack, or Piggoi, or Rob stops paying rent & Usha loses out big time...it's all sickening, as is the thought that we will hear a child being abused.
As Bertrand says TASWAMA.
And I'm out.

a full blooded defence case statement
arf.

I know that SOC says he doesn't do 'Bank Holiday specials' but The Daily Beast article reminds us that the 18,000 episode is coming up soon. Do we think something is planned for then. (?early June?)

Booming - the quote you posted yesterday says: "As to the fantastical situation of whether a prosecution witness would be allowed to remain with the victim/primary prosecution witness in this case..."

So that certainly does mention the idea of Henry living with Rob.

R4 I seem to remember KD tweeting some weeks ago that he had just finished writing that very episode.

Sounded rather pleased with himself, so ...

Did anyone else find it chilling when Rob spoke to Pat on the phone about Helen and said,it's not her story any more it's about me and Henry now It almost felt like he was directly addressing the listeners and with Helen silent, in a radio programme, it's as if she's been pushed out of the story.

Although didn't SOC say a few weeks ago that this is Helen's story? So, Rob is deluded, or will (hopefully) meet his comeuppance. Unless SOC is gaslighting the listeners again...

dadadad. That was just a throwaway comment by the poster, not me.

I think she was just reflecting the incredulity everyone feels with this situation because we know the truth. She wasn't commenting on the legal aspect of it.

The post was to outline what parental rights legally entail as there seems to be a lot of confusion here.

I would have cut that bit out if I'd read it fully!

Someone on Twitter has pointed out that it's not called The Titcheners, so it certainly is still Helen's story.

I really don't know what to make of all this. Social services involvement should surely have been pretty full on right from the beginning? Must ask my friend who used to be a child protection and adoption SW what she would have expected to be done in a case like this. (The poor woman doesn't listen but occasionally has to put up with my rants....)

Booming, I wasn't suggesting that you agreed with the FB poster, I was simply saying that she was mistaken.

I can't believe there weren't social workers on Bridge Farm's doorstep the morning after the stabbing. Or even the same night.

Rob's tactic has always been to plant an idea in people's minds and reinforce it over and over.
Pat et al should adopt this same tactic and spread their belief that Rob was/is an abuser and that Helen was protecting Henry. The mere suggestion should galvanise SS into investigating Henry's whereabouts.

I can't believe there weren't social workers on Bridge Farm's doorstep the morning after the stabbing. Or even the same night.

They were. Pat n Tone (or Panetone as my uber middle class phone would have it) had to get Henwee back to bed and Tony did a "we're not people like that!" speech about Child Services visit.