One Flue Over The Shepherd's Hut - Discuss The Archers Here

[PseudoBadger]

I do hope Lynda has a carbon monoxide monitor in there...

I didn't listen last night because I was working but having read this thread, I think I'm going to have to. Darn.

Annie Hell referred to 2 bags so I assumed that one would've been for Henry. The police would've found 2 bags.

Here you all are! What a fabulous title - thank you Pseudo

I've decided to not listen in real time and only when I'm walking the dog. I find it a little less stressful that way!

Annie I am totally in agreement about the strange 'uncurious' thing.

At the risk of repeating myself, it's all very well hearing Lilian and Justin flirting or general chat over jolly family dinner, but the reality is that there would only be ONE subject of conversation in Ambridge.

Everybody would be speculating ad nauseum about what had happened, why etc. There would be forensic analysis of recent sightings of Helen & Rob as a couple and how they were together etc.

I doubt that everyone in the village would still be talking exclusively about the murder after almost three weeks, given that they have very little information about it.

Annie, I think Helen did tell Rob that she'd seen Jess. I vaguely remember in amongst the whole row he said something about Helen and Jess being in the same mould of pathetic clingy insane women.

The half-packed suitcase will be used against Helen. If she was so scared of him why did she leave her packing on show, and why did she plan to leave him in his presence?

It could go both ways. You could argue that it demonstrates that she did feel reasonably safe, which would negate the point the prosecution is likely to make that if she felt she was in danger she could and should have left earlier. The defence can say that that was because of the way he had gaslit her. It was only when he flipped, started shouting and telling her to stab herself with the knife he put in her hand, and then went for Henry, that she realised she and Henry were in danger and instinctively used the knife he'd given her to protect them.

I think she could readonably argue she had devided to leave because of his unreasonable treatment of her. As a decent person she thought she owed it to him to tell him rather than do a moonlight flit.

Deapite the fact that he had previously hit her she had no reason to assume he would hurt Henry who was in bed anyway.

It was only after he hot the knife out of the cutlery drawer (see if they'd had a knife block we wouldn't have heard that bit) and then threatened Henry that she felt she and Henry were in immediate danger and she needed to act in their defence.

in fact does the danger not have to be immediate for self defence to apply.

E.g. i might have reason to believe my (imaginary) known to be violent stalker is going to harm me at some point.

But i have no defence if I go to him in a pre emptive strike and stab him. I am not even allowed to be armed just in case he does attack me.

In Helen's case it is not like she sat about, knife in hand, waiting for him to come home so she could have it out with him and stab him if need be because up until the point he became dangerous she had no reason to believe she was in danger.

Different again if she had been effectively trapped and had no other route to freedom than a dramatic escape. Which is why imo they went the wrong way with having her stab him before she had even tried to leave once. The defence of DV is more credible if the victim has had a prolonged and sustained period of abuse where they have exhausted their other options. (E.g. little Mo in EE where she had fled repeatedly and he was in the midst of a violent attack when she killed him.)

To change the subject (but still about DV and murder) did anyone see Cythia Nixon's Do You Know Who You Are yesterday ?

It was fascinating because her GGGgrandmother had killed her husband with an axe through the head because he had threatened to kill her then gone bed. She ran to her neighbours who obviously knew that she was being badly abused by him ; there's more to the story of course but she was given 2 years imprisonment and pardoned in the end, this was 1844ish so shows there was some enlightenment even then.

When was that on ppeat?

After last night's episode I'm starting to hope that the Rob & Hellin story will just fade away like so many of the other loose/incovenient threads we mention on here. I know it seems like a long shot but perhaps Pip's cow experiments, Resurgam and the non-till arable will take over...

I know it seems like a long shot but perhaps Pip's cow experiments, Resurgam, the non-till arable and the new editor will take over...
I love the way SOC talks about 'the next 10/20 years' as if he will still be in charge and no-one can possibly overturn his plans.

Smalllegs It was on Thursday early evening. Sorry I can't remember the station but you could google it.

Soc is a bit like our dear government

Apologies if this has been posted already: Job ad for SOC's post jobs.theguardian.com/job/6304310/editor-the-archers/?CMP=dis_1215

The job closes 19 May - do you think we could all do a job-share

OliviaMumsnet, I reckon that this should be a MumsnetJobs listing

Blimey, the BBC HR dept works at the same glacial pace as my employer's! They've known for months that he was leaving. What on earth have they been doing all this time to prevent them advertising it till now?

BTW, Keri Davies ruled himself out of it on Twitter immediately SOC's new job was announced.

I wonder if they originally tried to recruit internally but have now gone external Gasp0de? Maybe candidates have been put off by this storyline and the other wheels already in motion?

ppeat i went to google that and realised I had misread the title as "Do You Know Who You Are yesterday?" Which I thought was a bit philosophical/ pretentious and therefore probably r4

I hadn't seen that MrsK - interesting.

Utterly ridiculous way to proceed - there should have been a good year's notice of a change of regime - giving the new appointee plenty of time to acclimatise. Jump/push? Something in that job advert suggests pushed - surely TA is currently a far more tempting prospect than EE? (I realise there must be a difference in ££ - but even so ...) I wouldn't be quitting TA right now for a TV soap, given the choice.

And in the meantime we'll have an acting Editor. Unsatisfactory. They really should have taken notes from Dr Who.

Can't a nurse or someone just put a pillow over the gaslighting bastard's face?

Thought I'd have to turn off but it's so stupid ...

Utter, utter cunt! What an absolute fucker!

Hah hah hah hah hah!

I think detective may be on to him.
And ahem ahem who was it who mentioned lesbian relationships ( lack of) in a bridge?

I'm not sure the copper is falling for it. Fingers crossed.