Rob - dead? No, no, he's, er, resting. He's just pining for the Canadian plains. As Helen is taken into custardy, discuss the Archers here.

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24 hours for 1 thread!!

I think vango is suggesting knowledge of WA should have been an outcome of listening to this but they were given very little air time

So of the 30 men killed around 12 are killed by a male abuser, 9 by a female victim and 9 by a female abuser? Or could the latter category include suicide?

Another stat I am interested to know is the proportion of male victims of dv where the abuser is male

Boffin, don't get me bloody stared on the chickens. I'm refusing to even engage.

Very much so Lanark. Definitely a child, not so sure about the actor, as his lines are recorded at home, presumably like the speaking clock or underground announcers as random phrases out of context. Then they get interspersed with the others.

Refuge have received almost 100,000 to date Boffin.

So 77% of people killed in domestic violence are women, 85% of perpetrators are male and 92% of deaths occur after male abuse.

Elendon I'm not sure I understand what you're asking me. I'm saying, and have said all along, that this carefully paced storyline about an issue that we all now know affects 1 in 4 women could have been a useful vehicle for them to advertise their services better. I feel as though I've offended you in some way and I don't know exactly what way that is?

What about midwives? I've learned, through this thread, that nowadays most (if not all) pregnant women are now routinely asked about DA? I don't have any issue with that.

Yes - less police and more scales falling would have been good

SliceofLime for your spreadsheet I can offer sociology and economical tuna bake recipes I also have four different recipes for custard ranging from the egg and milk variety through to cornflour, Bird's and finally Edwina Hitching's 'sweet sauce' recipe from 1910. I have had expert witness training at work so I can offer my services to the judiciary in terms of evaluating the likely role of the custard in Hellin's loss of control.

There are stats to show suicide BYO, but the reliable sources are pay walled. Basically, trust me, women are more likely to commit suicide whilst and after being in an abusive relationship.

I Am struggling with how the wrist injury could have happened? They are suggesting it was the cause of the major bleeding, but As someone has already said (apologies, it was a while back) it is quite difficult to achieve this, and usually requires a cut along the arm, rather than across the wrist. So...oo how did it happen?

The suggestion is that an artery was cut - probably the radial as it is closest to the surface (it's the pulse usually checked by HCPs). It is not difficult to cut this at all and it doesn't require a cut along the arm. Yes, if I lunged at you with a knife with the specific intention of severing only your radial artery, I'd be unlikely to hit this relatively small target. But if I'm flailing around with a knife in a panic, it wouldn't be hard to cut the radial or ulnar artery at the wrist at all.

I don't think we can assume that the 1st stab wound was all that was needed to incapacitate Rob. The lung injury that he suffered (thought to be a tension pneumothorax) wouldn't have incapacitated him straightaway, nor would an arterial bleed at the wrist. So he could still have been attacking Helen after the 1st or event the 2nd stab wound. It is possible that all 3 injuries were self-defence.

I agree that it should be perfectly possible to get Henry to testify without actually having to get the actor to speak. In any case, his evidence would be recorded in advance, so even if they showed the trial on air, they could have a layer reading out from the transcript of what Henry said.

The worst bit of it for me (missing the wood for the trees, as usual) is how they didn't make sure Henry was out of the way before bringing the others out. I know Pat and Tony wanted to stay, but surely a bit more persuasion could have been used to get them to move along.

ARE THERE NO SHEEP DISEASES TO DISCUSS?
DO NONE OF THE COWS HAVE MASTITIS AT THE MOMENT?
IS NOBODY CONVERTING A BARN TO A SOFT PLAY AREA/TEASHOP/CAR WORKSHOP?

I ask because it's all the blardy farmers around here talk about.

And I'm not even saying that knowledge of WA alone should have been the only outcome! But knowledge of what to do to get help from all services and a bloody warning BEFORE the event that leaving can be the most dangerous time.

It's very unlikely a child like Henry would be sat in a courtroom. He'd more than likely give evidence in an indirect way, such as a statement given outside the courtroom and read out in court

I see the link is only about those killed so murder suicide not relevant

I want more news about the shepherds' hut.

yesyerday technically yes. You are allowed to act in self defence before someone has hit you if you have reason to believe they will.

Re. Defensive injury. I imagine helen lunging at rob. Rob trying to take the blade. The blade sliding through his hand and up the ibside of his arm.

As an aside, maybe midwives should hand over a women's aid leaflet with phone number instead of just asking about domestic abuse. A "what to look for" leaflet so the woman could take it away and read it and think about it.

But that's me taking it all too seriously. Which I thought last week was the point of this prolonged bloody miserable storyline. And when I stop shaking with rage I'm going to remember that it's just soap and I shouldn't have expected anything more.

Vango I was asked about domestic violence 23 years ago, when expecting my first child. Being in the first years of love then and wildly excited, I f course said no. To be honest, when expecting my third, 14 years ago, the midwife said, I have to ask you this are you being abused? Sadly by then, I was being emotionally and financially abused. I said I wasn't.

I really hated the bit when the police officer was all chatty with the doctor and he was yawning and complaining about morning surgery being very soon. Wooden and pointless. Like others, wanted MUCH more of the Tom/Tony/Pat/Kirsty scene at Bridge farm.

The solicitor sounded OK though.

Isn't it interesting how tempting it is to want Helen to play up certain aspects of her situation and to gloss over others? Not to lie exactly, but to make the best of her situation?

Exactly the same things that we might be very UNsupportive of for other accused people?

Who the fuck answers yes to a straight question about being abused when 30+ weeks pregnant?

Jesus, I'm amazed!

I mean, I had a LOT of issues in my marriage and my exh left me when DS was 4 months old, but I'd feel a right dick admitting to it all whilst being about to drop.

That seems mad to me

Wooden, yes, but it did help us work out what the time was & that we were having an extended day in episode terms, like the flood.