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Woodburner owners

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Brixtonvssouthcroydon · 13/11/2023 20:39

Are you happy with it?
Our new place has a biggish living room and not sure radiators will be enough to keep it warm in very cold days
We are considering a wood burner (using it with smokeless fuel) but wondering if it is actually quite fastidious (time to light it up, feeding it, ordering and storing fuel etc) and in practise it won't be used very much.

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user1477391263 · 13/11/2023 23:59

Nobody should be using wood burners unless they basically have no choice, due to being remote enough that they are off the grid or have genuinely unreliable utility lines in the winter.

They are horrible for the environment and human health.

Even if you get a credentialled “eco” stove and use only kiln-treated wood and literally do every single thing right, you are still breathing in many times the maximum “safe” level of particles. You’re also forcing your neighbors to breathe them in, because the particles get into their homes as well.

”2.5” particles greatly increase risk of cardiovascular disease, lung disease, cancer and even things like Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s. Women are especially vulnerable, as we spend more time indoors than men on average.

There is huge concern about the very large amounts of so-called “black carbon” that these stoves emit, which soaks up solar radiation and has a massive global-warming impact. (The good news is that black carbon does at least break down quickly compared to CO2, so if we stop using these wretched stoves, we can start making a difference to climate change right away).

The money people are spending on these stoves should be spent on things like insulation instead.

They should be banned other than in genuinely remote areas.

CastlesinSpain · 14/11/2023 02:41

We are on our third woodburner - had the first one about 1990. The first two were cast iron construction, expensive stoves - both cracked after a few years. We now have a cheaper steel one which we hope will last better.

The steel one certainly heats up faster and since we started using a woodburner fan we have found it heats the living room very efficiently. The chimney passes through the middle of the house so its warmth helps keep other rooms aired too. The amount of heat we get seems to be a bit dependant on wind direction and strength - how well the chimney draws. It needs to be lit for about an hour before the room warms up enough, whereas the open fire at the other end of the house is chucking out lots of heat in about 15 minutes if we light that instead.

We have a big old house with large rooms - despite having thick walls, double glazing and loft insulation it is a pig to heat. No gas supply, electric is overhead cable so power cuts are fairly common, our other heating is an oil boiler for the central heating - but the woodburner is free as we own a small patch of woodland. All the wood we cut up (usually fallen boughs) is stored for at least a year to dry it out. We mostly burn oak and hazel.

Kokeshi123 · 14/11/2023 02:48

I "get" people using them if their connections to modern sources of heating are dodgy or absent, but I really hope the OP does not live in Brixton or Croyden as her name suggests she might. They should be banned completely in cities.

Trying to be "nice" and allowing people to use woodburners with some sort of eco label hasn't worked, as even these are seriously polluting and the "Well, my stove is eco!!" excuse has just encouraged a whole bunch of people to go and buy them. Air quality is continuing to get worse in areas that have adopted these half-hearted rules.

We need to ban them completely, all of them, in urban and suburban areas; I simply don't understand why we are tiptoeing around middle class "hygge" lovers in this way.

DrySherry · 14/11/2023 07:43

Ours is used alot. We mix hardwood and coal mostly.
The woodpile is refreshed once a year and coal the same. It probably doesn't save money the way we use it but it does add an extra layer of relaxation in the evenings. Especially when the weather is bad.
They produce a bit of extra house dust but it's worth having one for cosy evenings. We get it serviced and flu swept every October. Costs £80.

madeinmanc · 14/11/2023 07:47

It varies as people have said but I don't like mine because it ties you to it. That sounds a bit weird but I like to be active around the house doing things but a woodburner is a bit like a toddler you have to keep checking on, you can't just leave it and you must keep feeding it and clean up after it!

It also triggers my asthma so it's a no from me nowadays. Not to mention that woodsmoke is a carcinogen.

Diyextension · 14/11/2023 08:04

Ours is in quite a big open plan area. When its on with the radiators it gets too hot. A smaller stove running hot is better than a big one at half heat ( unless you have a massive area ). A good 5kw will plenty.

Using smokeless is a lot less work than wood, it doesn’t give the same effect as wood but still produces good heat.

It is more work than just flicking the heating on but in your case using it occasionally for a extra boost will be more of a novelty.

They can take a bit of understanding how to operate them properly/ efficiently but once you get the hang of it its very easy.

Gardeningtime · 14/11/2023 08:07

We love ours, use seasoned wood.i was against initially but its lovely lighting it and the warmth it kicks out is Amazing.

yes its extra faff, you need to have somewhere to store the wood, but cleaning and lighting is a couple of mins job.

MrsJamin · 14/11/2023 09:37

See how I said people would ignore the very dangerous health consequences in subsequent posts? It doesn't matter about the warmth or glow of the fire, the PM2.5 penetrates the lungs, blood streams and brain, causing health problems that include heart attacks, respiratory disease and dementia.

Diyextension · 14/11/2023 09:46

MrsJamin · 14/11/2023 09:37

See how I said people would ignore the very dangerous health consequences in subsequent posts? It doesn't matter about the warmth or glow of the fire, the PM2.5 penetrates the lungs, blood streams and brain, causing health problems that include heart attacks, respiratory disease and dementia.

So does smoking , even though there are pictures of diseased lungs on the packet but that doesn’t stop billions of people around the world doing it.

if you don’t like wood stoves then don’t get one.

headcheffer · 14/11/2023 09:52

I have a new build and have one. It's lovely, and we use it fairly frequently. We are quite rural and have frequent power cuts so it's handy for keeping the house warm during those.

Gardeningtime · 14/11/2023 09:58

MrsJamin · 14/11/2023 09:37

See how I said people would ignore the very dangerous health consequences in subsequent posts? It doesn't matter about the warmth or glow of the fire, the PM2.5 penetrates the lungs, blood streams and brain, causing health problems that include heart attacks, respiratory disease and dementia.

just Like the burning of fossil fuels to make electricity and gas then? I assume you live in an igloo and use none of them?

Movinghouseatlast · 14/11/2023 10:02

I love ours, we often have it as the only source of heating. Lighting it every night takes about 10 minutes. We get a bulk delivery of logs.

Our sitting room was the coldest room in the house before, it just wouldn't warm up at all.

Moredarkchocolateplease · 14/11/2023 10:21

I love the smell of ours (seasoned logs) when it is lit, but I leave the room after an hour or two as it gets too hot. Adore the smell of the woodsmke in the air as I'm going to sleep later too.

We live in a very drafty thatched cottage. But the room is very big and we bought a massive log burner for the massive fireplace. Big mistake. Go small!

Ours doesn't heat the house but as I'm menopausal I can't cope with heat upstairs anyway so I'm pleased about that.

Moredarkchocolateplease · 14/11/2023 10:24

Oh I should add, we only light it when it's really cold. So about 5 times a year when it's super super cold and we have a Sunday afternoon.

DH however keeps it burning late into the night long after I've gone to bed. He loves it.

Moredarkchocolateplease · 14/11/2023 10:26

Oh and we live deep in rural countryside with oil heating. And it doesnt make my asthma trigger.

Everyone in our very small village burns seasoned wood. It smells amazing in the winter at dusk.

rollonretirementfgs · 14/11/2023 10:43

You will spend a fortune on wood, and you have to tend to it regularly like have another child... but they are lovely and cosy.

Twoshoesnewshoes · 14/11/2023 10:52

I love ours, it is a faff, but gets toasty quickly.
we are also on oil and live rurally.

however, we have a bio ethanol stove on our other lounge and I prefer it. Much quicker, similar levels of heat, and it seems to be much more climate change friendly though it’s really hard to find accurate information.
and the whole set up including hearth and tiles cost £150!

Maybenowisthetime · 14/11/2023 11:09

New research reported earlier this week found that unless you have a free supply of seasoned wood available to you, its more expensive to heat a home using a wood burning stove than a gas boiler or heat pump. So you may find it's less hassle to just upgrade your radiators to doubles/add an extra one, or turn up the temperature on your thermostat:
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/11/wood-burners-more-costly-for-heating-than-gas-boilers-study-finds

Wood burners more costly for heating than gas boilers, study finds | Air pollution | The Guardian

Charity says research dispels myth that wood burning, which has health risks, is a cheaper energy option

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/11/wood-burners-more-costly-for-heating-than-gas-boilers-study-finds

JenniferJupiterVenusandMars · 14/11/2023 11:15

I have one, I live rurally and it heats the downstairs rooms beautifully. It’s economical to run, burns 4 or 5 logs over an afternoon and evening and retains the heat for several hours after that.
We get frequent power cuts and because we’re retired and have various health problems we need to have a reliable source of heating (and cooking) when the power goes off (which happens at least 8 times a year and often for 48 + hours at a time)

ladeluge · 14/11/2023 11:20

I love the look of them, but not the wood burning part and the cleaning out etc. So to fill a void in a fireplace where I had the gas fire removed, I got an electric log burner EFFECT convector heater fire. It's gorgeous, looks great, the flame effect is lovely and I can have it on low med or high heat, or just effect only.

I only use it for heat when I get indoors before the timer comes on. It is very effective and heats a large room enough to take the chill off in ten or so minutes. I don't notice a huge increase in energy bills, but then again all forms of heating cost money!

Just my preference.

GasPanic · 14/11/2023 11:20

They are worse than gas for a number of reasons. One is that gas burns very cleanly, which is why we switched to it as out last fossil fuel. If the gas burns correctly nearly all the gas is converted to CO2 and water. Very little soot/particulates are produced. This is why gas fires don't generate any significant soot, which is basically unburnt carbon. Wood is far more difficult to burn cleanly. That's why you get a huge amount of PM2.5 and soot generated. PM2.5 is really bad for the lungs. Both inside and outside the house.

Another big problem with wood burners is that people use them as "Any old shit" burners. Their "free" wood often consists of treated wood like fence posts and old building timber. This wood is often treated with toxic chemicals and scientists are starting to see rises in concentrations of substances like arsenic in city areas where wood burning is prevalent.

I don't support the banning of wood burning completely. I think in rural areas there are fewer alternatives and mains gas is not available. The PM2.5 and any toxic pollutants will be dispersed in the atmosphere and will be less concentrated than in the cities. But within city limits they should be banned like coal was. It seems absolutely crazy that we have spend years implementing low emission zones to improve air quality for cars, only to wreck the air quality again by burning wood.

AnnaMagnani · 14/11/2023 11:22

While I know it does only take 2 minutes to clean out the ash and wipe the glass, I still don't want to do it!

And yes it does make the room warm - but so would a gas heater without all the effort.

TheNoonBell · 14/11/2023 11:51

Love ours. Simple to use and toasty.

For cleaning out the ash get a fireplace ash vacuum, it sucks all the ash out in no time. Costs about £50 and saves a lot of hassle and mess.

Gardeningtime · 14/11/2023 11:52

AnnaMagnani · 14/11/2023 11:22

While I know it does only take 2 minutes to clean out the ash and wipe the glass, I still don't want to do it!

And yes it does make the room warm - but so would a gas heater without all the effort.

Absolutely. Thr whole two mins effort. 😂 but it’s not anywhere near as nice…

Freddiefan · 14/11/2023 11:58

I have had bad asthma attacks caused by wood burners. One of them was in a club when the manager opened the doors to 'feed' the burner.