Seller charging extra for oven?

Firsttimebuyer192 · 2023-04-14T12:39:25+00:00

When the property was advertised it said ‘The kitchen has a plethora of gorgeous features including a Rangemaster oven’ No other appliances were listed and thus we had taken this to assume the oven was included in the sale and the description did not say otherwise. Sellers are now asking if we want to buy the oven separately. Are we naive in thinking it should have been included in the sale?

zombiecupcakes · 14/04/2023 13:45

Is this on the fittings form or have you already seen that, if so what did it say?

FlyingFang · 14/04/2023 13:47

A bit naive, it's not uncommon to take that sort of freestanding oven. You could always seek to negotiate if it's important.

drpet49 · 14/04/2023 14:02

It specifically states in the description. I would assumed it was included too.

Stripedbag101 · 14/04/2023 14:02

Never trust anything in the brochure - or anything the estate agent tells you!

it only becomes clear when you see the forms. The estate agent told me all the light fixtures were staying - the vendor tried to charge me £500. They were hideous! When I arrived they had been removed (fine) but the wires were hanging out of the ceiling! I needed an electrician electrician on day one

Lcb123 · 14/04/2023 14:03

Yes you were wrong to assume. the brochure doesn’t mean anything. You can only rely on the contents form. We made our buyer pay for our white goods as they were all in excellent condition

Stripedbag101 · 14/04/2023 14:07

Lcb123 · 14/04/2023 14:03

Yes you were wrong to assume. the brochure doesn’t mean anything. You can only rely on the contents form. We made our buyer pay for our white goods as they were all in excellent condition

my vendor tried to sell me their white goods too! Risky business - I said no. The fridge freezer was built in so in the end they didn’t bother taking it. It stopped working on day two! Glad I didn’t pay for it!

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Firsttimebuyer192 · 14/04/2023 14:23

It said ‘TBC’ regarding if it was to be included or excluded (received the form after offer accepted) and then received an email asking if we wanted to buy.

Totally expected all of the fridge/freezer/washing machine and dishwasher to not be included but given the description explicitly mentioned the oven, we thought this was included.

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aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 14:27

No you aren't naive, it's in the advert.

Go back to the EA with a screen shot - state "including cooker" implies it comes with the sale of the house. Ask them to clarify.

aibuaibuaibu · 14/04/2023 14:30

Lcb123 · 14/04/2023 14:03

Yes you were wrong to assume. the brochure doesn’t mean anything. You can only rely on the contents form. We made our buyer pay for our white goods as they were all in excellent condition

Yes it does. It's false advertising. Only because more people don't bring this to the attention of the EA than it's not an issue.

House was sold as of road parking on the advert - it didn't have it. Estate agent paid for a dropped curb.

Blossomandbee · 14/04/2023 14:52

Your solicitor should advise on this but I wouldn't go by the estate agents description. You usually get an itemised inventory of what is and isn't included in the sale?

PissedOffNeighbour22 · 14/04/2023 14:53

@Stripedbag101 Wow, the cheeky bastards. I'm sure they legally have to leave you with working lights (ie a working lightbulb rather than a light fitting).

@Firsttimebuyer192 It would usually say along the lines of 'with space for a range cooker' if it wasn't included. That's what my advert said but the buyer insisted I include it 🙄. Our sellers left theirs luckily but it was so disgusting we had to buy another within a few weeks (along with everything else they'd swapped out for knackered stuff).

If it's not included then it's not worth the risk of buying it from them and it being broken or much older than you'd expect. Or as we experienced, it being swapped for non working or half knackered versions. We didn't want any of their stuff but were left with all their white goods to dispose of.

gogohmm · 14/04/2023 14:57

The estate agent description is part of the offer price, we were told not to include rangemaster in the written description (it's fine to include it in photographs. The vendors will have signed off the description so go back to the estate agent and sat as the stove isn't included you will need to reconsider your offer, they will want to avoid this so will talk to the vendors as they messed up

Blanketunderstars · 14/04/2023 14:57

I reckon call their bluff and say you don’t want it… they then have to go to the expense of removing a rangenaster or organising the sale of it. Ultimately you could get a much better deal elsewhere or they may just decide it’s not worth the hassle and leave it.

cantkeepawayforever · 14/04/2023 14:58

My understanding was that if it was explicitly listed in the advertisement, it is included in the sale. Anything not explicitly mentioned is dependent on the fixtures and fittings firm. Check with solicitor and EA, pointing out the false advertising issue.

KaihahUmoniiv · 14/04/2023 15:00

When you put in an offer originally you are supposed to say that your offer is inclusive of carpets, curtains, material fixtures (ie anything that's physically attached to the house like light switches) and any fitted items that you want to specify at that point. Anything that you don't specifically mention at the time you make your offer isn't necessarily included in the sale and they may ask more for it.

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 14/04/2023 15:01

If it was not included it should have said "space for a range size cooker".

drpet49 · 14/04/2023 15:04

cantkeepawayforever · 14/04/2023 14:58

My understanding was that if it was explicitly listed in the advertisement, it is included in the sale. Anything not explicitly mentioned is dependent on the fixtures and fittings firm. Check with solicitor and EA, pointing out the false advertising issue.

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zombiecupcakes · 14/04/2023 15:08

KaihahUmoniiv · 14/04/2023 15:00

When you put in an offer originally you are supposed to say that your offer is inclusive of carpets, curtains, material fixtures (ie anything that's physically attached to the house like light switches) and any fitted items that you want to specify at that point. Anything that you don't specifically mention at the time you make your offer isn't necessarily included in the sale and they may ask more for it.

Why would you want other peoples curtains

mondaytosunday · 14/04/2023 15:40

@KaihahUmoniiv you may indeed do that but I never have and I've bought and sold over 20 properties (and no one has done it that way when they have offered on what I'm selling).
It's a grey area about agents details. They will (or should) have a disclaimer that you are not to rely on agents details for room sizes and what is included in the sale. But to specifically mention an item certainly implies it is included.
But you say it was 'tbc' on the fittings form - well there you go. That's what you rely on as that is a legal document.
Frankly most people try it on and more often than not leave things anyway. But the sellers are within their rights to ask for more money for it so up to you if you want to buy it, risk they'll leave it anyway or buy your own.

CasperGutman · 14/04/2023 15:45

zombiecupcakes · 14/04/2023 15:08

Why would you want other peoples curtains

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Because they're sized to fit the windows and go with the rest of the decor in the house you're buying, and replacing them will cost you lots of money!

Okay, so they may not be entirely to your taste, but unless they're hideous they'll be better than nothing until you get round to redecorating.

Personally I can't stand windows without coverings, especially if I know people outside can see in. If I bought a house and it came with no curtains I'd have no option but to go out and buy new ones pretty much immediately, and I would most likely prioritise spending differently given the choice.

Framilode · 14/04/2023 15:48

When I was an EA I misdescribed something. It was the early days of UPVC and I noticed the windows were UPVC and assumed they were double glazed. They weren't. The purchaser complained and my company had to pay for the whole house to be double glazed. I would speak to the EA.

cigarettesNalcohol · 14/04/2023 15:48

It's very common for people to take the rangemaster oven with them or for the buyers to purchase this separately. Not the first time I've heard people do this.

KievLoverTwo · 14/04/2023 15:51

As someone else said, the estate agent messed up, it should say 'with room for a range cooker.'

You can try your luck and ask for 2k off because they're not included it, if you like.

But you can also pick up a half decent range cooker for circa 500k.

Personally, I'd tell them 'no thanks, don't want to buy it.' They are NOT easy to move, they might end up leaving it anyway.

cantkeepawayforever · 14/04/2023 15:53

cigarettesNalcohol · 14/04/2023 15:48

It's very common for people to take the rangemaster oven with them or for the buyers to purchase this separately. Not the first time I've heard people do this.

Yrs, but if it is listed in the EA particulars then it is part if the property being sold. If it isn’t, then the seller is able to offer it separately because it isn’t fitted. Any fitted item - anything that would remain in the house if it was turned upside down and shaken - must be left or replaced by the equivalent (eg a light fitting can be taken but must be replaced by a plain pendant and wire)

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Firsttimebuyer192 · 14/04/2023 15:54

Thanks all! Definitely seems to be a divided opinion!

Tricky thing is that the description explicitly mentioned it but we didn’t get the fittings and fixtures form until after the offer was accepted. Will speak to the EA and explain that based on the wording of the advert, it seemed to imply it was included and go from there.

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