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Council want to house us opposite paedos!!

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Ilovepugs2017 · 24/08/2022 23:36

I’ll try and cut a long story short.
We are at risk of homelessness due to our landlord wanting to sell. Our section 21 ran out in July.
we have been bidding on properties every week with no luck.
The council bid on a property on our behalf in our local area (for personal reasons I didn’t bid on this particular property - issues with threats of assault from someone living on the same street as the one advertised).
anyway we were no.2 in the queue and couldn’t withdraw the bid which gave me huge anxiety. I’d even emailed the housing officer to say I didn’t bid for personal reasons.
2 weeks later which is today they have called and offered us the property. They have said if we refuse to take it they will help us no further!!
my partner has been to speak to a couple of the neighbours and they have said to be warned that a couple of convicted paedos live opposite the back entrance!

we have three young children how is this acceptable?
Im going to refuse the house and appeal!
anxiety is through the roof!! :(
anyone been through similar?

OP posts:
Gufo · 25/08/2022 09:24

Is the new house under a bridge, I wonder.

If not, it's pretty obvious you need to accept it for now and then try to find somewhere better once you're there.

Aussiegirl123456 · 25/08/2022 09:24

Mydpisgrumpierthanyours · 25/08/2022 09:21

OP I think your getting a rough ride here. Who in their right mind would want to live by a convicted paedophile? I think if any pp had a choice they wouldnt either. So just ignore them. Sadly these scum HAVE to live somewhere (why not an island in the middle on the sea I dont know)
But you do have a MAJOR advantage of knowing about them.
If I was you ide accept the house then try to exchange out asap. You've already said your happy moving miles away someone will want to swap with you. Good luck.

But she doesn’t know if there are actually any convicted sex offenders living there, it was just the man who owns the house next door who mentioned it. Could be false.

silverclock222 · 25/08/2022 09:24

Ilovepugs2017 · 25/08/2022 02:29

Oops sorry miss.
maybe your the one who needs to grow up, nothing better to do than pick up on grammatical errors? 😄

The full stop in your post is in the wrong place. It should be "you're".

whatswrongwithdh · 25/08/2022 09:25

Aussiegirl123456 · 25/08/2022 01:23

Firstly, it’s highly unlikely that convicted sex offenders will be living within close proximity of one another, as one of the main aims of rehabilitation is to ensure they’re less likely to reoffend, so parole officers try to disperse sex offenders so they can’t speak of their desires to one another, thus less likely to reoffend. Just like another condition is they’re not allowed to use the internet for X amount of years. Remove as much temptation as possible. So having two offenders living a few doors away from one another is pretty much unheard of. I sincerely doubt this is true and that person who told you this was spreading malicious gossip. Why? Maybe he doesn’t want children living next door. Maybe he didn’t like the look of you and your family? Who knows. Totally irrelevant anyway.

Secondly, if you love your children then you will try to meet their basic needs, one of which is shelter. Take the house, safeguard your children and there is no issue.

Thirdly, the actual issue, is your sister’s ex who threatened you and your family. Why? How long ago? If he’s privately renting and does cause any anti social issues with you or your family, then he’s likely to lose his rental. It wouldn’t be in his best interest to break the law and harm you. If he makes threats, report to the police.

There is a whole heap of drama created in your posts that is not necessary. It may not be your ideal house or life for your children, but like pp said, beggars can’t be choosers. You’re so, so, so fortunate to have even been offered this house. Move.

Finally, I am actually disgusted how you have treated your current landlord. He has served eviction papers yet you’re still there despite being offered alternative accommodation. You’re treating him like that despite the fact he allowed you to rent there without a guarantor OR a deposit?! I highly doubt the rent you’re paying is just paying his mortgage, let alone all the other bills associated with landlord costs. How you’ve treated him speaks volumes about your character. I’d personally be ashamed of myself but you seem to think you’re owed the world.

I have to agree with the majority of posters. Get a job. Get your boyfriend to get a full time job. Because if you’re in college (with the aim to get a job) then you’re fit enough to work. Otherwise why even attend college? Not all jobs are physical. At the moment you’re showing your children that they can have a cruisy life but you don’t get to pick where you live. Show them what they can achieve through hard work hey?

Not necessarily @Aussiegirl123456 that use to be the way of thinking, but in many areas of the UK it has moved on to a strengths based approach. So the more positives (education, employment, social activities, etc) a person has the less likely to reoffend. Most people convicted of sexual offences are very isolated and so thinking in some areas has moved on to that another sex offender as a friend is better than no friends and more time to sit around thinking about children.

A risk assessment will have been done, but the risk to families living nearby would be very different for example from an images offence to a stranger contact offender. The later would be far less likely to live on an estate with families.

Or the neighbour may have noticed OP's anxieties or had family bidding on the house and have been winding OP up for a laugh.....

Johnnysgirl · 25/08/2022 09:30

I think I'd say I have it on good authority convicted pedophiles live opposite
She doesn't have it on good authority. "A random neighbour I've never met before told me" is not good authority.
Bloody hell.

Starstar7 · 25/08/2022 09:30

Buy your own house..then you'll have more choice.

Cyw2018 · 25/08/2022 09:30

rent has jumped up from 300 to like 600 no justification no one to manage this

My interest only BTL mortgage has jumped from £320 to £420 with another interest rate rise not accounted yet, this is since April this year In Wales LL can only raise rent once a year (New law bought in this June), there are predictions that interest rates will need to rise to 6-7% in order to contain the run away inflation. Thus LL are having to try to guess how much to increase the rent by the safeguard for the next 12 months. If they get it wrong (as I have - small rise in April before things went bonkers) then the only options left is to Section 21 and sell or rent to new tenants at a higher rate, neither of which, I'm sure you would agree, are good options for the existing tenant.

Aussiegirl123456 · 25/08/2022 09:32

whatswrongwithdh · 25/08/2022 09:25

Not necessarily @Aussiegirl123456 that use to be the way of thinking, but in many areas of the UK it has moved on to a strengths based approach. So the more positives (education, employment, social activities, etc) a person has the less likely to reoffend. Most people convicted of sexual offences are very isolated and so thinking in some areas has moved on to that another sex offender as a friend is better than no friends and more time to sit around thinking about children.

A risk assessment will have been done, but the risk to families living nearby would be very different for example from an images offence to a stranger contact offender. The later would be far less likely to live on an estate with families.

Or the neighbour may have noticed OP's anxieties or had family bidding on the house and have been winding OP up for a laugh.....

Oh really?
My SIL was a parole officer a very long time ago, and said that they try to keep sex offenders apart as if they meet and talk about their offence, they normalise / rationalise the behaviour and are more likely to reoffend. Such a shame that has changed as there was a lot of research to back up the likelihood of reoffending if around like minded people. Crazy world. I didn’t realise that had changed, so apologies.

And to think the neighbour could have potentially been winding them up is so cruel, some people are so horrid.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 25/08/2022 09:37

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But she doesn't actually know that they are paedophiles.

1 bloke who lives on the road has told her that, but he could be a liar or shit stirrer for all anyone knows.

I bought my house. On the day we moved in the old bloke from the corner knocked to give us a community newsletter and pointed at each house on the road:

  • they're alright but kids are little bastards
  • them ones are Polish
  • they're nice but a bit odd
  • them ones are murderers you know, dads in the Nick
  • she's alright but a bit nosy

.........

We've been here 12 years, no trouble from any of the neighbours except the odd party.

LondonQueen · 25/08/2022 09:37

It's the ones you don't know you should worry about. How old are you children OP? If they're young to be with you at all times then I'd feel a lot more comfortable.

JumpTheGun · 25/08/2022 09:38

Good grief, some of the responses to this thread!

People thinking this must be a troll? Honestly people up and down the country are facing similar predicaments every single day. Being issued a section 21 then not being able to find another rental they can afford is how lots of families end up homeless. The guarantor issue is a common problem.

And it might not be violent exes or local paedophiles but it’s really common to receive offers of accommodation that mean families can’t keep their children in the same school it travel to work or are up three flights of stairs when they suffer from severe asthma.

As for suggestions the OP should have fixed the leaky roof and charged the landlord - that’s not how this works, it’s not her responsibility! And she has to stay put now until a the court orders her to leave otherwise she will be intentionally homeless.

Entitled? For wanting to raise her kids in a home where she feels safe? surely that’s something everyone should feel entitled to!!

OP - as others have said, your only option really is to accept the accommodation and request a suitability review on the basis of being subject to threats of violence. You will need strong evidence about your sisters ex. I understand your concerns about having been warned about paedophiles living locally but there’s no chance this would count as the accommodation being unsuitable. I wouldn’t discount the possibility of this just being malicious gossip, but even if it isn’t, the knowledge will help you keep your children safe. As others have said there is every chance you have paedophiles living near where you live now, you just don’t know it.

fruitbrewhaha · 25/08/2022 09:39

This thread! I think there's been a massive lack of empathy and compassion here last night.

OP if you are still reading I hope you get sorted.

I was reading a book the other day, it was describing how people can end up in a downward trajectory. You take a knockback, can can pull yourself up, but then something else happens, you make a bad decision because you are under stress, something else goes wrong and then its a downward spiral.

From the sounds of it the OP is low income, has had to go through a criminal proceeding to prosecute her sisters ex, so has supported a sister who was in a violent relationship, has lived in a house which was not being maintained and was ruining her belongings, now the partner has lost his job, they've lost the leaky house at a time when housing is very difficult to find, it's all a really tough set of circumstances. I think the "paedophiles" thing threw a lot of people as the OP has probably fallen for a load of BS which is probably relating to a couple of men who are gay or just different. It's a dangerous thing to spread about it.

Talk to the house officer to find out if the conviction against your sister ex is enough to refuse the house but stay on the list.

Seriou · 25/08/2022 09:39

I spent my childhood living opposite one of Wales most notorious murders.
Watched another program about him this week actually on Sky Crime.

Id accept the house.

loislovesstewie · 25/08/2022 09:40

@Foxglovesandlilacs86 because knowing where they are assists the police in monitoring them. It's bloody hard for the police to keep in contact with all the known sex offenders, even when they know their address. Letting them 'go off the radar' is worse for the general population. As I said, I am a retired housing officer and attended MAPPA numerous times. It's about managing risk , knowing what, if any, conditions are attached to their licence and housing officers being aware of them. We don't sentence people to death,no matter what their crimes, and the hope is that even the worst can be rehabilitated.
I'm not commenting on if that works, but just saying how it is.

CookPassBabtridge · 25/08/2022 09:41

It's shocking how many there are, there have been loads in our little sleepy village and that's just the known ones (convictions published in news)
It's an awful thought, they shouldn't be allowed to live around families.

hobbledyhoy · 25/08/2022 09:41

Better to be in a secure house where you can lock the front door against potential perpetrators than be in the street surrounded by them.
I would take everything you've heard from the 'friendly' neighbour with a pinch of salt. He doesn't happen to have family he'd like to move into they house does he?
And if it is true then forewarned is forearmed and you can make doubly sure nothing happens. As PP's have said, you don't often get that luxury. There are some very strange people in this world and we can live right next door to them without ever knowing.

Sonnex · 25/08/2022 09:41

Good authority 😆

Some random bloke said so, who may have any number of reasons to put the OP off that house. Maybe his family member also wants it?

Jamaisy82 · 25/08/2022 09:41

@Starstar7 I'm pretty sure if they could buy their own house then they would. It's unfortunately not that easy.

shimmeryseahorse · 25/08/2022 09:43

endlesscraziness · 25/08/2022 08:53

It sounds more likely to me that the neighbour doesn't want a noisy family with kids next door so is trying to put you off. Don't make yourselves intentionally homeless

The more I think about it, the more I think that this could be the case.

I can’t imagine someone knocking to ask about the area and spreading gossip about neighbours. And it is gossip. You say they’ve lived there for 40 years. They haven’t mentioned having any issues that have actually affected their lives in their homes i.e. it being noisy, so I’d take that as a good sign.

CookPassBabtridge · 25/08/2022 09:43

Foxglovesandlilacs86 · 25/08/2022 09:16

I wouldn’t want to live on a street where I knew there were paedos either, yes we all know they could be anywhere but I dont believe anyone would actually choose to, so I see your point op.

Only thing is, it doesnt sound like you’ve got a choice?

If everyone knows who these peadophiles are (and that it’s definitely true) why are they being allowed to live there in peace? Why isn’t everyone making their life hell so they move somewhere else? (And so on!)

You say we in your op so I’m assuming you’re part of a couple, so what’s your husband/partner saying about this man who your scared of? When’s he going to grow some and protect his family? and maybe go and earn enough so that he can provide you all with a nice home instead of having to accept free ones next to paedos and god knows what else

Yes the ones in my village get driven out by some of the dads.

Sux2buthen · 25/08/2022 09:44

All the faux confusion at why someone doesn't want to live opposite a paedophile 🙄
I have a close friend that lives next door to one, there's things done to his house that affect my friend, constant shouting and disruption, graffiti, broken glass and a lot of other things I won't post because they are specific and hopefully uncommon enough to be outing.
He's well known locally and a terrible person that gets away with a lot of shit even now.
Good luck OP

Chooksnroses · 25/08/2022 09:45

Look, you never know who in your street, or in your life, has a sexual interest in children. All you can do is protect your children in the ways you would if you definitely knew that about someone, and when they are old enough, arm them with the knowledge of how to protect themselves from sexual predators.
As for the council, I would tell them why you are not happy about accepting the house, and ask them to have that put in writing on your file. Then accept the house. If you do have problems with your sister's ex, then report it to the police and the council.

Delphigirl · 25/08/2022 10:00

Ilovepugs2017 · 25/08/2022 02:02

Obviously I don’t want that at all.
I’ve never been in this situation before so it’s been useful to get some advice of SOME of the people here.
Im thinking I’m better off taking the property and maybe seeking advice about asking for a review based on safety concerns with the threats?

Yes. You must accept and then seek review. If you refuse the council will wash their hands of you.
everyone living in a city or big town has a sex offender living close to them. They might not know it but they do.

Puffalicious · 25/08/2022 10:02

This is an aside, but what is happening in society when almost every other poster has anxiety? Genuine question.

Aussiegirl123456 · 25/08/2022 10:18

Puffalicious · 25/08/2022 10:02

This is an aside, but what is happening in society when almost every other poster has anxiety? Genuine question.

This is something that interests me too. I’d be keen to read responses

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