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What would you do (FTB, buy house or flat?)

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Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 10:30

Hi All,

So me (27F) and my boyfriend (32M) are looking to buy our first property. We've been looking since January but the market is absolutely crazy at the moment and we have also struggled to decide where we want to live.

We are currently renting in zone 3 London and we pay £950 per month each including bills, so £1900 together (rent is £1650 p/m and then we pay £125 each for bills). For reference, I earn £35k and my bf earns £50k (before tax). We have been saving for years and years and have managed to save £95k. Our mortgage advisor has told us that our top budget is £500k (I'd rather not stretch ourselves this much tbh)

We have 2 options:

Option 1: Buy a house outside of London (Surrey, Sussex, Kent areas) (although there are not many houses in these areas atm) we would have to lower our top budget to around £400-£425k due to having to pay high commute costs (£300-£400 per month each). We could probably get a 3 bed semi-detached house (with one of the rooms being a box room), but, as I say, we would be spending around £300-£400 on commuting each plus door to door it would probably be 1.5 hours commute each way! (bf can work from home a couple days a week, I can't work from home at all, although I am open to getting a new job, but chances are it would still be in London)

Option 2: Buy a flat in London. Staying in London would mean that we could stretch our top budget a bit more as we wouldn't be paying the high commute costs, however, we have found a 2 bed garden flat with a separate kitchen and separate lounge in zone 3 London (where we currently live so we know we like the area), for £425k, however, the flat needs work (re-plastering, decorating, new floors, new bathroom, new kitchen). As I said, the flat is up for £425k which is very good for the area, I reckon we could get it for around £415k, we would pay a 15% deposit which is around £60k, pay fees etc (£10k?) and would then be left with around £20k to do it up, also, because we are in London, we could use our help to buy isa's so would get around £6k from the government, which could pay for the new bathroom. (we wouldn't be able to use the help to buy isa outside of London as the threshold for it outside is I think £250k). Looking at the street, a flat opposite that is exactly the same as this one, but done to a very high standard, with a smaller garden that backs onto a railway track, has just sold for £500k, other similar flats further up the street have sold for £550k, this makes me think that spending some money on doing the flat up could make us some serious gains, plus the area is a growing area.

For info, in the next 5 years, in an ideal world, we would get married and have a kid, in the next 10 years, I would like to have at least 2 kids (maybe 3 if we could afford it)

Pros of option 1: we would have more space and live in a house that we could grow into, any house we buy would probably need a bit of work (as most places do), I think that if we bought a house, we would be able to stay there for 10 years or so.

Cons of option 1: We would have a high commute cost (£300-£400 per month) plus a long and draining commute, we don't have kids atm and probably won't for at least 3 years so for now at least, this would seem pointless. We wouldn't be able to use our help to buy isas so we would lose out on that £6k from govt

Pros of option 2: We wouldn't have the high commute cost (i pay £100 a month currently and bf pays £0 as he cycles), commute times would also just stay the same as current (40 mins for me and 30 mins for bf). I also think we could make a lot more equity with this option. We also know that we like the area and it is also a growing area. The mortgage would probably be around £1300 per month so quite a bit cheaper than what we pay currently, and with commute costs the same, we would be better off each month.

Cons of option 2: We would have less space, its a flat with 5 rooms including the bathroom, but as its a 2 bed we could have a child there.. my main worry with option 2, is that in my head, we would stay there for 5 years and then move out of London into a house, I worry about not being able to afford to move when the time comes, as I know moving is expensive.. is it more sensible to pick the option where we won't have to move for many more years, or would the equity we could make help with moving? (I don't really understand how the property ladder works tbh)

Any advice welcome! thank you!

OP posts:
lastqueenofscotland · 17/08/2021 10:57

With flats factor in the cost of the service charge and ground rents… some are absolutely extortionate and it may be that moving away with an expensive commute is more sensible!

Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 11:10

@lastqueenofscotland

With flats factor in the cost of the service charge and ground rents… some are absolutely extortionate and it may be that moving away with an expensive commute is more sensible!
Thank you for your reply! Sorry I completely forgot to mention that the flat in question is basically the ground floor of a house, its a share of the freehold and has no service charge or ground rent, we would also own the front garden area which I'm thinking could be turned into off street parking if that was possible
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Mosaic123 · 17/08/2021 11:18

If others have turned it into off street parking then you might well get permission.

Could you buy a 1 bed in your current area with a smaller mortgage. Keep saving and getting promoted and possibly rent it out when you buy a house to have a baby in? If you can't afford to keep it you can still sell it.

ItsSnowJokes · 17/08/2021 11:22

Be weary of any flat without a service charge even if share of freehold. You could end up with large bills when work needs doing and work will need doing as all properties require maintenance. With no service charges being collected and no reserve funds building up you may get stung for a hefty amount!

Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 11:28

@Mosaic123

If others have turned it into off street parking then you might well get permission.

Could you buy a 1 bed in your current area with a smaller mortgage. Keep saving and getting promoted and possibly rent it out when you buy a house to have a baby in? If you can't afford to keep it you can still sell it.

hmm this is certainly an option, we could probably get a 1 bed for around £350k, but likely wouldn't have a garden.. we also currently rent a 1 bed and its such a pain when we have people to stay (bf family are in Scotland so would be really useful to have a room for them to stay in)

Thanks for your reply btw :D

OP posts:
Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 11:29

@ItsSnowJokes

Be weary of any flat without a service charge even if share of freehold. You could end up with large bills when work needs doing and work will need doing as all properties require maintenance. With no service charges being collected and no reserve funds building up you may get stung for a hefty amount!
hmm maybe I'm being naive but wouldn't it just be the same as owning a house?
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cakeseeker · 17/08/2021 11:30

Get the house if you can.

Flats are noisier, harder to sell in my experience, you need to be careful about lease times, and the service charges go up all the time.

cakeseeker · 17/08/2021 11:31

Sorry, posted too soon! Even without service charges, as a pp pointed out, you can end up in trouble.

shesellsseacats · 17/08/2021 11:39

Get the flat.

The money you spend on commuting will be money down the drain.
The money you invest in the flat will make money for you.

I sold my London flat a decade ago an bought a house out of London and regret it for several reasons, but just looking at money for now:

I sold my London flat for £250 and bought a doer-upper for £150k.

The London flat is now worth over £500k, and the house I'm in is now worth about £230k.

So, I'm £170k down, basically. This gap will continue to widen over time, there's no way I could ever afford to go back to London.

I'm looking at moving to another city I really want to be in, but where I can only just about afford a 3 bed ex-council semi. Occasionally I torture myself by looking at the gorgeous period houses I could have afforded had I only held on to the flat in London.

The option with more equity always gives you more choices.

Also, commuting is a nightmare. It's OK at first, but it does really grate after a while.

The zone 3 place with a garden sounds great, snap it up I reckon!

shesellsseacats · 17/08/2021 11:41

hmm maybe I'm being naive but wouldn't it just be the same as owning a house?

It's not, but that's not a reason not to do it.

You need to find out what the arrangement is for shared costs. How do the different flats manage the costs together? What agreeement is in place? Are the other flats owner occupied or do they rent them out? (Absent landlords can be a pain!)

fruitbrewhaha · 17/08/2021 11:43

But lots of people own flats! Don't be wary of buy a flat OP, the one you have mentioned sounds like a really good plan, you just need to read the details about lease, who manages it etc. It's not normally a problem.

It depends on your lifestyles. I stayed in London until I'd had my two DC and eldest was 3. So we could move out for a garden and for schools etc. Are you looking to get out of town? Fed up of the hustle? I live just outside London where a lot of people commute, it's pretty laborious. If you like going out, nice restaurants, culture, interesting multi racial mix etc then buy the flat and move in 5 or 6 years after starting a family. If you want to mountain bike or go for long walks all weekend move to the country. I would also say that the villages are full of people with kids so it's much easier to make friends when you have them too. I miss London though.

shesellsseacats · 17/08/2021 11:46

As a tangent (unless this is where you are already!) have you considered Wanstead?

That's a great place to bring kids up, good schools, it's on the tube and you'd get somewhere decent for £500k I imagine.

cakeseeker · 17/08/2021 11:46

Oh I've only ever owned or lived in flats, so I'm not saying it's undoable or insulting anyone who has one - just that I've been badly stung a few times and have friends who've had problems too. If I'd ever had a choice, I'd have gone for a house.

shesellsseacats · 17/08/2021 11:49

If I'd ever had a choice, I'd have gone for a house.

Yes, all things being equal I'd go for a house over a flat.

But if the choice is share-of-freehold flat in London which will make a lot more money over time, or house outside London. Well, that's a different kettle of fish!

intothewoodss · 17/08/2021 11:50

@shesellsseacats

As a tangent (unless this is where you are already!) have you considered Wanstead?

That's a great place to bring kids up, good schools, it's on the tube and you'd get somewhere decent for £500k I imagine.

Not anymore enough won't.
parietal · 17/08/2021 11:54

go with the flat. a long commute is draining and a big waste of time & money. A flat, even a small one, in an area you like is a great way to get started on owning property

TedMullins · 17/08/2021 11:56

For £500k you could get a 2 possibly even 3 bed house around my area (zone 4, south east). If I were you I’d stay in London but look slightly further out than zone 3.

PeonyTime · 17/08/2021 12:03

I was all set to say if you can afford both, go for the house.
However from the details you have given, I think the flat might be the way to go.

Miliao · 17/08/2021 12:05

Get the flat and stay in London whilst you’re young. You have your whole life to move to the burbs. You can overpay your mortgage so you’ll have more equity when you leave, and doing up a flat will also increase your equity. People will always want flats, I don’t think you’ll have any problems selling. Make the most of a short commute and all that London has to offer. You’ll hopefully be earning more in 5yrs and you may want a completely different type of property or live in a different area, so buying in the Home Counties might not be the long term option you think it is. We are in the same position, we now have a lot of equity in our zone 3 London property and a baby, and we can afford much more than I dreamed of. We are now considering staying in London and moving to a nicer area and bigger house, or renting out and taking an opportunity somewhere else for a year or two before we try for number 2 and start to think about schools!

Floralnomad · 17/08/2021 12:07

Could you buy a cheaper house outside of London so you can get the government money that needs doing up and then sell on etc

Viviennemary · 17/08/2021 12:09

In your position I would say house. Price of flats too unpredictable.You could get what looks likd a bargain then be stuck if prices go down more.

HappyDaysToCome · 17/08/2021 12:13

I disagree that commuting is a nightmare - other than the odd cancelled train, if you are far enough out to get a seat it can be a pleasant and productive (if you want) journey. And often nicer, and not much longer, than other colleagues’ bus and tube journeys.

But if you go on to have children, both parents commuting can be difficult.

But overall I’d go with what suits your lives now, but with enough space to be flexible enough in future if you are unable to move (for whatever reason - jobs, properly market) at a time when your lives have evolved. So have enough room to be able to have one child and work from home and have some storage space. But if you aren’t ready to settle down in a commuter town then don’t.

Plumrade · 17/08/2021 12:14

Neither option. Instead buy a house in a cheaper part of London. We live in Plumstead in SE London. You can get a 3 bed for as little as £350k. For your budget, you could get a spacious 3 bed in a lovely bit of Plumstead.

shesellsseacats · 17/08/2021 12:15

You could get what looks likd a bargain then be stuck if prices go down more.

Yes, but this is London. Different rules apply.

My parents boght their house in London at the height of a property boom, they'd seen prices pretty much triple in 3 years. Then, after they bought it, prices crashed and they coudn't have sold without a loss for some years.

Did they make the wrong decision? Well, in a word, no.

They spent £15k on the house they bought (in the 70s).

Now? The house is worth approx £2 million. It didn't stay in negative equity for long, and when prices were on the up, it soared, a lot more than similar houses outside of London.

You are never going to be stuck with property in London, not long term anyway.

A London flat (and one that the OP and her partner can add value to) is bound to be a better investment than a house outside London.

shesellsseacats · 17/08/2021 12:15

Not anymore enough won't Ah, has that ship sailed now? Shame.