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What would you do (FTB, buy house or flat?)

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Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 10:30

Hi All,

So me (27F) and my boyfriend (32M) are looking to buy our first property. We've been looking since January but the market is absolutely crazy at the moment and we have also struggled to decide where we want to live.

We are currently renting in zone 3 London and we pay £950 per month each including bills, so £1900 together (rent is £1650 p/m and then we pay £125 each for bills). For reference, I earn £35k and my bf earns £50k (before tax). We have been saving for years and years and have managed to save £95k. Our mortgage advisor has told us that our top budget is £500k (I'd rather not stretch ourselves this much tbh)

We have 2 options:

Option 1: Buy a house outside of London (Surrey, Sussex, Kent areas) (although there are not many houses in these areas atm) we would have to lower our top budget to around £400-£425k due to having to pay high commute costs (£300-£400 per month each). We could probably get a 3 bed semi-detached house (with one of the rooms being a box room), but, as I say, we would be spending around £300-£400 on commuting each plus door to door it would probably be 1.5 hours commute each way! (bf can work from home a couple days a week, I can't work from home at all, although I am open to getting a new job, but chances are it would still be in London)

Option 2: Buy a flat in London. Staying in London would mean that we could stretch our top budget a bit more as we wouldn't be paying the high commute costs, however, we have found a 2 bed garden flat with a separate kitchen and separate lounge in zone 3 London (where we currently live so we know we like the area), for £425k, however, the flat needs work (re-plastering, decorating, new floors, new bathroom, new kitchen). As I said, the flat is up for £425k which is very good for the area, I reckon we could get it for around £415k, we would pay a 15% deposit which is around £60k, pay fees etc (£10k?) and would then be left with around £20k to do it up, also, because we are in London, we could use our help to buy isa's so would get around £6k from the government, which could pay for the new bathroom. (we wouldn't be able to use the help to buy isa outside of London as the threshold for it outside is I think £250k). Looking at the street, a flat opposite that is exactly the same as this one, but done to a very high standard, with a smaller garden that backs onto a railway track, has just sold for £500k, other similar flats further up the street have sold for £550k, this makes me think that spending some money on doing the flat up could make us some serious gains, plus the area is a growing area.

For info, in the next 5 years, in an ideal world, we would get married and have a kid, in the next 10 years, I would like to have at least 2 kids (maybe 3 if we could afford it)

Pros of option 1: we would have more space and live in a house that we could grow into, any house we buy would probably need a bit of work (as most places do), I think that if we bought a house, we would be able to stay there for 10 years or so.

Cons of option 1: We would have a high commute cost (£300-£400 per month) plus a long and draining commute, we don't have kids atm and probably won't for at least 3 years so for now at least, this would seem pointless. We wouldn't be able to use our help to buy isas so we would lose out on that £6k from govt

Pros of option 2: We wouldn't have the high commute cost (i pay £100 a month currently and bf pays £0 as he cycles), commute times would also just stay the same as current (40 mins for me and 30 mins for bf). I also think we could make a lot more equity with this option. We also know that we like the area and it is also a growing area. The mortgage would probably be around £1300 per month so quite a bit cheaper than what we pay currently, and with commute costs the same, we would be better off each month.

Cons of option 2: We would have less space, its a flat with 5 rooms including the bathroom, but as its a 2 bed we could have a child there.. my main worry with option 2, is that in my head, we would stay there for 5 years and then move out of London into a house, I worry about not being able to afford to move when the time comes, as I know moving is expensive.. is it more sensible to pick the option where we won't have to move for many more years, or would the equity we could make help with moving? (I don't really understand how the property ladder works tbh)

Any advice welcome! thank you!

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countrytown · 20/08/2021 15:14

I'd go for your max budget and buy a house but not as far out. Somewhere with good schools so if you had to stay longer than 5 yrs not too much issue.

hopefully2021 · 20/08/2021 15:53

Hi OP, me and my DH recently bought a house (a month ago) FTB we were weighing up our options just like you - we were living in Hackney, had a max budget of £415k but this would have only got us a nice 1 bed flat or a 2 bed ex local authority flat in Hackney, we felt like we would outgrow the space quickly (we want children in the near future) and really wanted a decent sized garden after lockdown, we also weighed up the costs of having to move if we outgrew the space (Estate agent fees, stamp duty etc) so opted for a 3 bed house in Romford. Still close enough to East London where our family and friends are and decent commuting for us both to Central London (train takes 25 mins into Liverpool Street & runs every 5 mins during peak times).

mobear · 20/08/2021 20:34

I had the same dilemma a decade ago, I chose to buy a flat and I’m very glad I did. Commuting can be exhausting. My circumstances are now better than I expected and I rent out the flat (as far as I’m aware banks don’t take into account salary on BTL mortgages, only that the mortgage can be comfortably covered by the rent), as well as owning a house.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/08/2021 20:43

A garden flat that’s one of just 2, sounds like a very reasonable bet to me. FWIW we have one (SW London) we own the FH of both, it was built 1905, we’ve had it for over 10 years and there haven’t been any maintenance issues apart from the ones you’d probably get with almost any property of that age.
From the POV of the other owner, the ground rent is peanuts and there are no service charges.

CatAndHisKit · 21/08/2021 00:56

This particular flat sounds great and a good investment BUT at least you need to find out of the good tenants above are stayin long term, with flats you always run a risk of nightmare meighbours moving in. I'd only go for a top flat flat having lived in mid floor ones (even though mine were not nearly as bad as could be), but then you don't get a garden - this is the issue with flats generally.

So I'd go for a house in closer range of area - I don't get it why would your commute be 1.5hrs one way in Home Counties - ther ar plenty of places witht 30-40min on train and choose a town which links to your place of work fastest on the tube.

But I'd probably go for London suburbs than the counties, Sydenham/Beckenham etc. Maybe Sutton. Or Leytonstone.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 21/08/2021 09:55

@CatAndHisKit

This particular flat sounds great and a good investment BUT at least you need to find out of the good tenants above are stayin long term, with flats you always run a risk of nightmare meighbours moving in. I'd only go for a top flat flat having lived in mid floor ones (even though mine were not nearly as bad as could be), but then you don't get a garden - this is the issue with flats generally.

So I'd go for a house in closer range of area - I don't get it why would your commute be 1.5hrs one way in Home Counties - ther ar plenty of places witht 30-40min on train and choose a town which links to your place of work fastest on the tube.

But I'd probably go for London suburbs than the counties, Sydenham/Beckenham etc. Maybe Sutton. Or Leytonstone.

The type of flat we have - actually a purpose built Edwardian maisonette - typically has a garden split between upstairs and downstairs, so steps down from the upper one. But separated, so both are properly private.

There are a lot of these in that area of SW London. Of course the gardens are small but a good deal better than nothing.

Keke94LND · 21/08/2021 15:30

@CatAndHisKit

This particular flat sounds great and a good investment BUT at least you need to find out of the good tenants above are stayin long term, with flats you always run a risk of nightmare meighbours moving in. I'd only go for a top flat flat having lived in mid floor ones (even though mine were not nearly as bad as could be), but then you don't get a garden - this is the issue with flats generally.

So I'd go for a house in closer range of area - I don't get it why would your commute be 1.5hrs one way in Home Counties - ther ar plenty of places witht 30-40min on train and choose a town which links to your place of work fastest on the tube.

But I'd probably go for London suburbs than the counties, Sydenham/Beckenham etc. Maybe Sutton. Or Leytonstone.

Tbh when I say 1.5 hours I'm probably rounding up, but I'm talking door to door, so from the house to the station whether it be a drive or a walk, then the train, then from the station to the office so either a tube or a walk depending, it's time that all adds up rather than it being 1.5 hours just on the train to London, if that makes sense. I grew up near Gatwick airport, and used to commute from there, it's about a 40 minute train journey, but when you took into account driving to the station, then getting from Victoria to the office, it worked out at around an hour and a half all in
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Jerseygirl12 · 21/08/2021 23:58

OP I live near Gatwick and it’s a 10 minute drive to the station and then 40 minutes into Victoria.

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