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What would you do (FTB, buy house or flat?)

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Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 10:30

Hi All,

So me (27F) and my boyfriend (32M) are looking to buy our first property. We've been looking since January but the market is absolutely crazy at the moment and we have also struggled to decide where we want to live.

We are currently renting in zone 3 London and we pay £950 per month each including bills, so £1900 together (rent is £1650 p/m and then we pay £125 each for bills). For reference, I earn £35k and my bf earns £50k (before tax). We have been saving for years and years and have managed to save £95k. Our mortgage advisor has told us that our top budget is £500k (I'd rather not stretch ourselves this much tbh)

We have 2 options:

Option 1: Buy a house outside of London (Surrey, Sussex, Kent areas) (although there are not many houses in these areas atm) we would have to lower our top budget to around £400-£425k due to having to pay high commute costs (£300-£400 per month each). We could probably get a 3 bed semi-detached house (with one of the rooms being a box room), but, as I say, we would be spending around £300-£400 on commuting each plus door to door it would probably be 1.5 hours commute each way! (bf can work from home a couple days a week, I can't work from home at all, although I am open to getting a new job, but chances are it would still be in London)

Option 2: Buy a flat in London. Staying in London would mean that we could stretch our top budget a bit more as we wouldn't be paying the high commute costs, however, we have found a 2 bed garden flat with a separate kitchen and separate lounge in zone 3 London (where we currently live so we know we like the area), for £425k, however, the flat needs work (re-plastering, decorating, new floors, new bathroom, new kitchen). As I said, the flat is up for £425k which is very good for the area, I reckon we could get it for around £415k, we would pay a 15% deposit which is around £60k, pay fees etc (£10k?) and would then be left with around £20k to do it up, also, because we are in London, we could use our help to buy isa's so would get around £6k from the government, which could pay for the new bathroom. (we wouldn't be able to use the help to buy isa outside of London as the threshold for it outside is I think £250k). Looking at the street, a flat opposite that is exactly the same as this one, but done to a very high standard, with a smaller garden that backs onto a railway track, has just sold for £500k, other similar flats further up the street have sold for £550k, this makes me think that spending some money on doing the flat up could make us some serious gains, plus the area is a growing area.

For info, in the next 5 years, in an ideal world, we would get married and have a kid, in the next 10 years, I would like to have at least 2 kids (maybe 3 if we could afford it)

Pros of option 1: we would have more space and live in a house that we could grow into, any house we buy would probably need a bit of work (as most places do), I think that if we bought a house, we would be able to stay there for 10 years or so.

Cons of option 1: We would have a high commute cost (£300-£400 per month) plus a long and draining commute, we don't have kids atm and probably won't for at least 3 years so for now at least, this would seem pointless. We wouldn't be able to use our help to buy isas so we would lose out on that £6k from govt

Pros of option 2: We wouldn't have the high commute cost (i pay £100 a month currently and bf pays £0 as he cycles), commute times would also just stay the same as current (40 mins for me and 30 mins for bf). I also think we could make a lot more equity with this option. We also know that we like the area and it is also a growing area. The mortgage would probably be around £1300 per month so quite a bit cheaper than what we pay currently, and with commute costs the same, we would be better off each month.

Cons of option 2: We would have less space, its a flat with 5 rooms including the bathroom, but as its a 2 bed we could have a child there.. my main worry with option 2, is that in my head, we would stay there for 5 years and then move out of London into a house, I worry about not being able to afford to move when the time comes, as I know moving is expensive.. is it more sensible to pick the option where we won't have to move for many more years, or would the equity we could make help with moving? (I don't really understand how the property ladder works tbh)

Any advice welcome! thank you!

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Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 12:21

@Floralnomad

Could you buy a cheaper house outside of London so you can get the government money that needs doing up and then sell on etc
Hmm in the areas we would be looking at that have a somewhat reasonable commute to london, we'd be able to afford a 2 bed flat for £250k (the help to buy isa threshold) so I kind of feel like that's a bi pointless, as a flat out of London won't increase in price in the same way, and we would still be living in a flat rather than a house, with an expensive and long commute
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Floralnomad · 17/08/2021 13:08

I’m not sure on commuting times but there are lots of houses for sale in the Dartford area and bits of Essex for 250k , can’t imagine Dartford / Crawford is that long a commute although I suppose it depends where you are commuting to .

purpletrains · 17/08/2021 13:20

Move out to zone 4/5 (or further as often the trains are quicker) and get a house

You will very quickly outgrow a flat

Mosaic123 · 17/08/2021 17:40

Sadly no houses in Wanstead cost £500k. You would get a nice two bed flat though.

ItsSnowJokes · 17/08/2021 17:51

@Keke94LND depends how many flats are in the building! As a freeholder (including shared freehold) you have legal responsibilities. I am a freeholder for a building we no longer live in (in the process of selling our freehold) and we still have legal responsibilities and we can be held liable for them. In our small converted victorian property there are only 4 flats but we have asbestos reports, fire reports, maintenance on the property etc........ its never ending.

CarryOnNurse20 · 17/08/2021 17:55

I would buy a house OP. We swapped a london flat 4 years ago for a 3 bed terrace house in lovely area in the north 5 years ago. This year we upsized and made 80K on our house. Our old flat has just been relisted for the same price we sold it for a few years ago.
I don’t think flats in london are the investment they were unless a v good area.

altiara · 17/08/2021 17:57

As a FTB I would go for what will give you the most equity or ability to build up savings, so use your head and think about your investment.
Later down the line, when you have built up your equity/savings, you can go for a property using your heart.

movinghelprequired · 17/08/2021 17:58

2 bed flat OP. Then you'll not be in a rush to move before / when you have your baby. That commute sounds hideous btw.

Keke94LND · 17/08/2021 17:58

[quote ItsSnowJokes]@Keke94LND depends how many flats are in the building! As a freeholder (including shared freehold) you have legal responsibilities. I am a freeholder for a building we no longer live in (in the process of selling our freehold) and we still have legal responsibilities and we can be held liable for them. In our small converted victorian property there are only 4 flats but we have asbestos reports, fire reports, maintenance on the property etc........ its never ending.[/quote]
Heya, thankyou for your reply! There are 2 flats in the building, ground floor and first floor, so I don't think it would be too bad in terms of building maintenance? unless the above flat were a particular pain.. I know that the above flat is rented, but the owner of the flat we are interested in says she has regular contact with the above landlord

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Flowers500 · 17/08/2021 18:05

Number 2, no doubt about it!!! What's the point in making life 80% shitter for a spare room you're not using anyway?

onlychildhamster · 17/08/2021 18:14

@lastqueenofscotland my service charge for my flat in zone 3 is £1750 per year or £150 per month. Like OP, commute from home counties to london would be £300-400 per month so £600-800 in total. Even if I added the cost of my zone 3 to zone 1 london commute which would be £160 X 2, it is so much lower than commuting from the Home Counties. And in London, its possible not to have a car which would be much harder in the Home Counties so I save on not having a car which would be an extra £200 per month (based on average costs paid by UK car owners)

onlychildhamster · 17/08/2021 18:20

I was in your situation in 2019, OP. Both DH and I in London jobs and a £400k budget. I was also 27 years old, DH 29. I bought a lovely 2 bed flat in London and don't regret not moving out to the Home Counties, esp when covid hit, I appreciated being within walking distance of family. I would have been very lonely and isolated in a Home Counties dormitory town where I knew no one (and I would probably not have had much time to form relationships with locals due to commuting).

If you are scared of outgrowing a flat, try to get a 3 bed flat. I wish I could have gotten a 3 bed flat but my budget did not stretch to that in my area.

bananananadakrie · 17/08/2021 18:37

I would look at houses in zone 3 or 4 too. With the amounts you are talking about house moves are just so expensive to do twice if you dont need to. Our first place was a flat that was the ground floor of a house. Only pounds in annual charges but it was the unpredictability that made it tough. We had to stump up £2k for a new door just after we got married and were skint. Left to our own devices we would have left it another year or two and probably not gotten quite such an expensive one!

bananananadakrie · 17/08/2021 18:39

Oh and after a couple of years we got unbearably noisy upstairs neighbours (upstairs rented). The house hadn't been built with two households in mind and so noise insulation wasnt great.

Katefoster · 17/08/2021 18:54

I just moved out of a 2 bed jn Leyton- zone 3.
Decent sized garden, big kitchen. It sold for under 400K. It's not the best part of London by any means but I commuted into Oxford Circus everyday and it's on the central line so very easy- had to get a 10 min bus to the tube which was a pain but i do think it's worth having a look at cheaper places

Katefoster · 17/08/2021 18:57

Ignore me I just checked on Rightmove and it sold for 451K 😱

ShingleBeach · 17/08/2021 19:15

Houses zone 3, good transport, an area where couples priced out of Brixton and Balham are moving to:
www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/112079513#/?channel=RES_BUY

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/110139548#/?channel=RES_BUY

I wouldn’t spend a load of money on commuting, and as you are young and child free you can still make the best of being close to central London for nights out.

Sum2021 · 19/08/2021 13:32

Have you considered zone 5/6 areas - hornchurch, collier row, woodford, leyton - could get a house there and commute not too bad.

burnoutbabe · 19/08/2021 13:39

I went for the flat 20 years ago and still there. (Though my boyfriend moved in 10 years ago)
I like the accessibility of everything, Deliveroo from 100+ choices.
It's still a commute on the tube to work but much less and would be sane if I got another job. With a long commute it's often good for days places around Waterloo and then you get a job at Canary Wharf etc.
If you were about to marry and kid in way then maybe house better, your lives were changing anyway but why would you want the next 5 years to be less fun/longer commutes.

countrytown · 19/08/2021 13:47

earn £35k and my bf earns £50k (before tax). We have been saving for years and years and have managed to save £95k. Our mortgage advisor has told us that our top budget is £500k (I'd rather not stretch ourselves this much tbh)

500k mortgage or 500k inclu deposit?

AlexaIWillNeverSayDucking · 19/08/2021 13:49

The flat, definitely, you'll never see your spare room or garden (or bf) if you are commuting for 3hrs a day. It will be miserable. That's before you are looking at the 15hrs extra childcare, minimum, as a result of wasting all that time on the commute.

The flat sounds lovely, has potential and you have links to the area already, a clear winner.

Keke94LND · 19/08/2021 14:11

@countrytown

earn £35k and my bf earns £50k (before tax). We have been saving for years and years and have managed to save £95k. Our mortgage advisor has told us that our top budget is £500k (I'd rather not stretch ourselves this much tbh)

500k mortgage or 500k inclu deposit?

It would be £500k with a deposit, so mortgage would be less
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countrytown · 19/08/2021 14:25

ah ok

StCharlotte · 19/08/2021 23:49

Personally I would go for the house. I commuted for decades - considered it "me time". We don't regret it although the planned children never happened so we have a spare roon and a spare spare room!

My London flat has gone up at the same rate as our house so I've "lost" nothing.

Jerseygirl12 · 20/08/2021 15:02

I think I’d be tempted to buy the London flat. It would be big enough if you did have a DC in a few years and you’ve got plenty of time to move to the Home Counties and live in a house.

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