How to get a £500k house free

[Judy1234]

www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23405477-details/Jobless+couple+with+12+children+are+give n+a+%C2%A3500%2C000+home/article.do

You are right that there is no such things as 100% contraception but 12 children is a lot of accidents!

Lots of people for lots of reasons know that theycan not or should not have children and therefore do not have children - I am sure many of them manage to balance limiting their fertility with a healthy sex life.

They said its not worth their while working so they would rather stay at home and claim benefits.

So why are they getting job seekers allowance? Surely to get that you have to be seeking work?

I doubt they said those words to the benefits office

you do have to actively seek work to claim JSA,and if you havent found a job withing 6 months you have to attend compulsary back to work programmes(used to be 'job club',like in the full monty where they help with cv's,interview techniques etc).if you dont show evidence that you are applying for jobs,going to interviews and the like,and if you dont attend the courses they send you on,then they cut your JSA by 40%.in some cases,they stop it altogether and you have to claim hardship payments,which is basically the JSA you and your partner/spouse would get,minus 40%.the money you get for your children is unaffected.

i dont understand,though,why a couple whos children are all at school/nursery would not want to work.understandable when they had twin babies,but now?why?and as far as i know,you are always better off working once your children are at full time school.it may only be £10 or £20 a week but i would think that beats sitting on your arse all day?

the only thing i can think is they dont want to lose the security of benefits.it can take a long time for tax credits to get sorted and i havce known alot of people whove had to live on next to nothing for months whilst waiting for tax credits etc to come through.i imagine that would be a nightmare for a family of 14.

Go on let he who is without sin......

i get people asking me if my husband is the father of my oldest.......like we common as fucking shit people can't actually have a lasting relationship - or be frugal with whom they fuck.

no-one would ask that if you fucking well lived in suburbia and wore boden

Actually as part of my job I often ask people if their children have the same Fathers
Nice and politely obviously!

at Custardo having a rant!

It's very written in a very manipulative way. If they hadn't got the house, you can bet it would have been reported "Large British-born family HOMELESS while ASYLUM-SEEKERS jump the queue for scarce housing!".

Families with 12 children are vanishingly rare. These two parents are obviously dumb as rocks; giving their children cigarette lighters to play with, calling their daughter Kalifornya and most of all giving an interview that anyone with more than three functioning neurones would know would lead to sterlise-the-unemployed rants around the country.

But I do wonder if it's all to distract from the issue of billionaires not paying tax. Who owns this paper? Rupert Murdoch? He certainly has an interest in making sure everyone stays mad at stupid people who pop out a dozen children rather than thinking hmm, maybe there wouldn't be such intense competition for social resources such as housing if Roman Abramovich and his mates actually paid their fair share of tax.

The World Bank has just declared that Britain is officially a tax haven. Not for anyone on a salaried job, obviously, but for everyone else it's like the British Virgin Islands only colder but less boring.

Custy

Well said, Ninedragons. All those naughty filthy rich people with nominee Liechtenstein Anstalt trusts and Swiss bank accounts are the real drain on the tax resources of this country. They are the real reason we are priced out of decent-sized family homes. A mid-earning UK taxpayer paying 40% income tax cannot compete against someone on the same earnings who pays none at all.

The extreme chav-fertility-phenomenon end of the scale like this particular lady is a drop in the ocean. Personally, if they are going to have 12 kids, I would far rather those kids are in a stable home environment where they get a reasonable home-life rather than running amok(and at least they burn down their own house). There are too many damaged kids without splitting up a family and turfing them on to the street as well. 12 kids on drugs and/or leading a life of crime will cost a heck of a lot more than £500k and £44k a year.

I returned to work today, simply because, as a lone parent I did not want to be living off benefits. I would be financially better off if I stayed home on benefits, but I won't because I'd rather be able to hold my head up and say I provided for my children and didn't sit on my arse relying on hard-working people to do it for me. People like this make me so cross.

Associated Newspapers, which owns the Daily Mail and four other newspapers including the Evening Standard. DM is famed for its foaming-mouthed right-wing lunacy, so it's no wonder the ES does the same.

Also, its owned by the press baron Viscount Rothermere - I'll wager he manages to save himself more than £44k in tax each year in tax avoidance...

custardo - what is boden? I assume it means something other than "floor" in German because wearing a floor is something I do after 10 pints (and it's not very attractive at all TBH).

JoMa, good for you but its not always a case of someone wanting to stay on benefits out of greed because they are better off. you will probably know that for your average person, benefit doesn't pay all that well and some people just cant afford to be any worse off. it took me a long time to find a job, and one at that, that would make me better off...and yes, i would also like to "hold my head up high and say i provided for my children", but i wouldn't have been providing much if i had the bailiffs knocking at my door because i couldn't pay the bills. i know some people also think "well its simple, dont run up huge bills when you are living on benefit then grumble when you cant pay it back" forgetting that a lot of people on benefit, previously were in work and had bills that they could afford at that time. redundancy came as a HUGE shock to me, i (naively, in hindsight) thought that my job was secure, i'd been there a long time. i didnt know how to claim benefit, i'd always worked.

anyway, back to the op..the thing i find odd is that this family supposedly had carpets and furniture provided for them. genuine confusion...since when did councils do that? and lucky them to get central heating, double glazing etc because the rest of us have to wait years, if we get it at all. i dont even have complete walls in my bathroom, and havent for nearly a year now, bitter? yes probably.

they must have a great council! lucky lucky them, the rest of us have to make do with damp, falling apart s**tholes

Wella few tjhought...

1. yes the parents are scroungers and should be ashamed. 12 kids is ridiculous if you have no job.

2. i wouldn't want the family out of this house though, nothing to do with the aprents- it's be 12 innovcent kids who never ahd a say that would suffer wouldn't it?

3. I don't have a problem with alrge-ish 912 is OTT) if parents are getting some benefits, the point is mroe a willingness to get out of bed and work- if you're working as a raod sweeper and just getting help, wella s longa s you works thats OK by me

4. i do know a bit about alrge famillies, Dad was 15th of 16, ridiculous amunts of hard work for the parents but one could still work

Oha nd shouldn't get benefits for any child= child poverty, bollocks to that, I want our atxes to help kids thank you very much. i amy not agree with their aprents but I woudl not want any child abandoned

''even if it's not "worth it" to work (in terms of losing benefits) I still think that "work" is about more than that - it creates a sense of worth for your children. '' disagree expat, Dad was working poor (especially when very young) but we were extremely proud 9and Is till am) of how hard he slogged for us.

I suppose we must be working poor- don't suppose i'd get - shock- a uni GRANT (they do still exist) otherwise, and I know DH feels a lot better when in work than when he was on the sick

divastrop

I run of those job clubs

Fair enough, Peachy. But let's face it, the system is set up so that a lot of folks would be better off financially on the dole, that's why they stay on it like these folks.

I think the main issue facing the working poor today is the shortage of affordable housing to rent and that if someone on the dole moves into work, they often lose their housing benefit, which comprises the bulk of the monetary value of their benefit as the cost of housing has risen so high.

For SIL, this was sadly a major reason she stayed in an abusive relationship for years.

Oh i agree financially, just that here are psychological benefits of working, even when low paid.

Housing rents ARE high these days- we don't think of ourselves as poor (though suppose we must be if Student loans think so), but we'd struggle to live most palces, we ahve a nice house ehre but only because DH commutes over the bridge to bristol, where income is higher than locally in Wales (we live here so I can walk to Uni, not just scrounging local houses - there's a reason).

BAck home in somerset the rents were getting beyond our reach, which when we both worked seemed somewhat unfair I must admit- I'm all for social housing but its ahrd not to be a little grrrr when you're both working and can't afford to rent a 3 bedroom house with 3 kids, which is a situation we were in, and most of my clients had 3 bed council houses

It's all linked, though. High rents/extreme shortage of affordable housing to rent LONG-TERM for families mean people move farther and farther out from where work is located, and have to commute in. If there's no public transport, then they drive. So you get sprawl and pollution.

Then there's the tenancies. The 6th month short-assured tenancy means no stability - lots of moves for kids, homelessless, etc.

Just now there's a thread about a landlord who won't make very necessary repairs. And basically, he doesn't have to or he can just give the family notice and they'll need to find someone else to rent - with associated moving costs, deposits, etc.

They're working poor. Can't afford to buy anything.

I don't think the answer is affordable housing to buy, either, unless there is some serious overhaul to that. Because all that happens is this system is manipulated and the house is then sold at market value - meaning one family benefits from the profit, but that's one less 'affordable' home available for someone else to use.