Does anyone know what something like this costs?

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Hello, I am in the process of looking for a forever home which will be a fixer upper and trying to put together some rough quotes for potential building work. I am obsessed with both the island and back glass wall in this house. Does anyone have any idea what either of these could cost assuming they are of premium materials? The dial does we would want large like that one with a marble top and potentially from and sides as well. I know this isn't an easy to quote but thought some of you more experienced peeps might know :):) we've been saving up 7 years for this so I am so excited I'm barely sleeping at night

Fwiw him and his wife (MIL) have solely done up three properties and they are powerhouses, they make them different up north!

Not sure why but Richmond/Kingston has been cited a few times as biggest drop in asking prices - so might be worth you taking your time and negotiating hard on what you buy in order to have more to renovate. Also really worth looking at something that has already been extended, you might be able to afford that if you hold back for a few months - as getting the builders is a real challenge - much easier to do a cosmetic makeover without the build element.

But this drop might just be speculation - so do thorough homework on RM and research sold prices for last 6 months.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/18/desperate-uk-homeowners-are-cutting-prices-warns-zoopla

I am sure I am not the only one wondering - and it is probably not MN etiquette or polite - so you dont have to answer.....but how on earth have you so much cash at your young ages....!!

I am also hoping that there will be a price drop in the next year, very interesting article!! That's a good idea, I just guessed that doing it yourself would mean it would be cheaper overall? What do you think?

I am very open so don't mind at all :):) we bought in W12 about 7 years ago for £350 and it's now worth £700 so we made a lot of that! Also, we both have good jobs now, dh works in finance (private equity) and is a bit of a wizz kid 😆 First in his family to go to uni and his family is very normal... state schools, worked in pub kitchens from 15 etc!... He's quite beyond his years in terms of career so I think we got quite lucky really that he got a very well paying job straight out of uni and we started dating young, married young and had babies which meant spending money very sensibly!

That being said, with the way London prices are, our true cost of living as disposable income isn't that much better than friends outside of London.

Good for you both - well deserved.

If you have young children I would spend this time focused on them and family and not the distractions and dramas of building/extending.

I think that with the cost and shortage of builders/trades and a predicted flat or declining market for the next 5-7 years your ROI may not pay off.

Getting plans drawn up and approved, put out to tender and then finding a quality builder who you will need to book to start a year in advance - build will take another 6 months - you are talking years away - thats once you have bought the house.

You will have just as much fun refurbing something already extended.

I think that your property development model of extending and digging basements might have missed the boat if you are looking for profit in the short term?

Oh and prioritise that disposable income! Make sure you have plenty spare for cleaner, gardener, babysitter, date nights, holidays, savings ie quality family time etc.....rather than a life indoors polishing a blingy palace with 10 ensuite bathrooms!!

DH and I have a similar project in mind on our house. Refurb top to bottom, some smallish layout changes to upper floors, more major change to ground floor incl a shiny open plan kitchen extension like in the pic.

We have had several quotes and the lowest we have been quoted for this work is around £400k. Then another £400-500k if we wanted a basement. That's all assuming medium level materials, not super high end.

We are in SW London

Of course you may be able to slash costs by bringing down your own builders. I don't know if you could bring it down to your £250k figure though. If you can, well done (and would you like to project manage ours?!)

Hello - I'm back. Unfortunately there's quite a difference in price between standard sliding doors and the slimline versions with thin sight lines. I did a huge amount of research and got lots of quotes from various companies and most varied from between £11k and £23k(!) for a run of around 5 metres. Thankfully Origin (a very well established and reputable company) now produce slimline sliding doors with a 20 year guarantee that are great quality, have sight lines of just 2cm and are much more reasonably priced. We paid just over £8k. We were advised by Nick at Trade Aluminium Supply (have a Google and look at their website for lots of articles and info on the doors and you can email him for help). We went with Open Living who gave the best price but I haven't been overwhelmed by their customer service. HBD Systems might be a good bet.

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Re polished concrete floor (if you're still interested), I loved the look of Lazenby but our quote for 40sqm was around £10.5k. We've commissioned the Concrete Flooring Contractors who are doing ours in a few weeks for just under £7k (£140 per sqm) so I can update and let you know what I think. One of the houses they worked on was shortlisted on Grand Designs House of the Year and the RIBA judges said the floor was one of the best examples they'd seen (so I have high hopes!). Have a Google for the Hidden House on Grand Designs and you should be able to find some pics.

Sadly I can't really estimate how much your build is likely to cost but I'd guess around £3-3.5k per sqm. We're project managing our own build ourselves and acting as the builder hiring in trades. We'll save a lot (we're just down the road from you in pricey SW London) but I really wouldn't recommend it!

Here we go - it's called the Origin Inline Slider. I don't work for Origin by the way. I've been all over these boards asking about doors and every single element of the build process - sigh.

May I ask how old your DCs are... You don't want to do that kind of refurb only to have it all scuffed by trikes and buggies...If they are little I think buy somewhere you can live in as is and plan your refurb for when they will be 5+... (and maybe by then you can do the basement and loft at the same time which will be soo much easier than piecemeal)

May I ask how old your DCs are... You don't want to do that kind of refurb only to have it all scuffed by trikes and buggies...If they are little I think buy somewhere you can live in as is and plan your refurb for when they will be 5+... (and maybe by then you can do the basement and loft at the same time which will be soo much easier than piecemeal)

Here we go - it's called the Origin Inline Slider. I don't work for Origin by the way. I've been all over these boards asking about doors and every single element of the build process - sigh.

These are very good points! I did wonder how soon after making an offer you can hire builders or even how this process works. Finding a place which has already been extended and potentially redoing the backcould work but I am quite picky about style and would love to finally be able to choose exactly the floor I want, kitchen etc.

The plan to extend wouldn't be with the main aim to benefit from profit as this is the house we would ideally be living in for The next 15-20 years or even forever :):)

The way we are budgeting mortgage repayments would be just roughly 30% of our income so we would be able to continue saving on top of all the little luxuries like a housekeeper etc. By the my oldest dd will be starting school and the little one will be two!

Lots to think about, I did speak to a building team my friend just refurbished her place with in Wimbledon and they needed four months notice. I have heard some of the most in demand builders can be booked up to a heat in advance so hopefully we would luck out!!

Haha oh no, what will I be getting myself into project managing?? I'm not the most organised person but I am hardy and determined so here's hoping I won't have a mental breakdown haha. The plan would be to take that year off work also because I've been working since I'm 17 and have never really had a break (not that this would be a break!!) other than decent length maternity leaves.

I am hoping that I will get some good news or at least some ideas for builders/architects which can be in budget and still satisfy my swishy visions 😆😆

That's what I was thinking £3500-£4000 psm. I figured since I would only be adding 25ish it wouldn't be tooo bad.

I love the glass sliding doors!! Can I ask how much that part of the extension will cost all in structural work etc included?

Thank you so much for this, it sounds like you e done your homework and I trust you would have shortlisted well by the sound of it!

Is your project now complete?

2 and a newborn! I'm not too bothered about floors getting scratched up and things like that. It might be a cultural thing but where I'm from people don't take as much pride in their homes. That sounds bad haha but I mean people maybe aren't as house proud or perfectionist which has its pros and cons I guess.

In any case renting for 5 years till we buy orbataying where we are would be a much less attractive option than even replacing a whole floor (can't imagine this would be necessary though unless one of the girls turns out to be the hulk!).

Another option I love would be crittal but I don't even know if that would be cheaper 🤷🏻‍♀️

All in, I think our extension will cost between £100-110k. It's double storey (kitchen and first floor bedroom) and around 60sqm. It'll look slightly similar to your picture but our garden is the size of a postage stamp and we're opting for a shaker kitchen. We'll compromise on a few things - cheaper units but a quartz worktop and expensive hardware, no boiling water tap but underfloor heating etc.

It comes with huge caveats though! Acting as the builder and project manager is a massive undertaking, you have to manage lots of (frequently unreliable) trades and DH is doing most of the internal work himself. And it's almost cost us our sanity with a two year old and a 4 month old. The kitchen should be finished in May and then it'll probably be another year or so to finish the rest of the house ourselves. It was a complete wreck when we bought it and we've already spent three years on it!

Oh my goodness three years! That's amazing and I bet quite tiresome by now. May is just around the corner, I bet you cannot wait! Your kids are pretty much exactly the same ages as my two little girls so interesting to know how you managed. Did you live in the house the whole time?

How much do you think you've saved by being project manager and realistically do you think my max budget would enable me to achieve the extension and refurb of a fixer upper but not a wreck?

The extension would be about 45m ideally. I have the boiling tap water on my maybe list but underfloor heating is also on my definitely list :):) at least in the kitchen.

I've contacted iq so just waiting to see what they say, I'd be quite interested to know what they quote!

Lastly, and I'm sorry for all the questions as I'm aware your probably busy with all you have on but where will you get your kitchen from?

Thanks for taking your time to write this, super helpful :):)

My friend recently had her bathroom done - cost £5k for plastic cladding and fittings, no plumbing or electrical work just straight forward replacement. My bathroom was tiled with natural slate and porcelain fittings, walk-in shower, fully rewired and re-plumbed - cost £15k. Just to give you an idea.

In terms of the kitchen you could get a similar look on a budget. That kitchen probably cost at least £50k plus building costs. Frameless glass will cost a fortune but you could get an aluminium bifold door for £5k. Grey tiled floor will be cheaper than poured concrete. The DSW dining chairs cost around £300 each but you can buy knock-offs for £30. You might be looking at £10-15k just for the marble worktop but could choose a cheaper material such as synthetic marble. Cheaper kitchen units could be tarted up to look like those ones and you could project-manage it yourself.

Hello! £15,000 doesn't sound too bad at all considering how much you did, do you have a new bathtub too and are you also in London?

Yes I would definitely try to achieve the best look possible with as little as possible as far as the decor goes! For the kitchen I have a really great carpenter who fitted some wardrobes for us a couple years ago and recently did my friends kitchen and it's really beautiful. I'm thinking of getting decent carcasses and having him make the fronts like the photo attached.

The plan was to spend the most on the extension and back door, marble island and floor and use what's left for the rest but who knows how much (if any!!) would be left 🙈

Yep, we've lived in the house the whole time unfortunately! Mortgage costs and SW London rental costs meant we had to stay put. I'm SO over this renovation project now. We bought the house way back in Dec 2014. We'd been struggling to concieve for two years to no avail and couldn't put our lives on hold forever. We moved in and the very next month I got pregnant. Morning sickness and ripping up carpets are not a great combination.

I think our extension would have cost over £200k (same as yours at 45sqm) so we've saved around 50% but that's not having a builder, project manager and doing lots of the work ourselves. A huge saving but it's been so difficult and I don't really think it's worth the sacrifice. Ask me in a few years though when I've lived in a finished house and I may change my mind.

The current kitchen plan is to buy our units from IKEA and then we're commissioning a company called Shaker Doors to make the doors. We have a lot of units (will count them in a mo') but the carcasses from IKEA are only £2.3k which is a bargain. As well as the doors we'll splash on some expensive Devol style hardware. Not sure if you've heard of them but their kitchens are beautiful (and £££!).

People do tent to rate IKEA units as they're good quality and you can have all manner of clever interior fittings.

Just checked, the £2.3k cost is for 6 tall units, 8 base units and 7 wall units. Some are quite large and it includes various interior fittings (but no appliances, doors, worktop etc.).

Sorry to piggyback/butt in but crumbelina are you fitting ufh to an existing space or just extension? We are weighing up adding ufh to our kitchen/diner when the kitchen is redone. Also, we have a similar plan with units (but are much further behind in research). Are the custom doors incredibly expensive?

No way! I can't believe you got pregnant so soon after moving in! Something about that house then huh ;) you guys are troopers and I think the day you finish you need to get the babies down or at in laws if possible and treat yourselves to a takeaway and bottle of champagne! I can't imagine doing renovations whilst pregnant, especially the first trimester where I can barely peel myself out of bed.

Yes, after a few years you will look back and it will probably be something like the way we forget how annoying pregnancy/birth/recovery is like :D

How exciting for you guys anyway, will you be using the space for hosting? We really like having people over so that's why I wanted to splash out on the kitchen area but yes, I think I may need to rethink my plans!

£2,300 is really good! Do you mind if I ask how much roughly the doors will come to? Now I want to see all your wall colours/floors/appliances... I'm so nosy!

Thanks again for all this, I think I'll have a look online for some how to be a builder for dummies and similar :)

Oh my... I just googled the DeVol kitchens and they are amazing. I think with some creativity you could get a pretty similar look though, curious to see how yours will turn out! We've been slowly buying little bits, there is a company called Olif which do lovely gold sinks and taps and we managed to get seconds at half the price and it is the trendiest tiniest ice pick mark on either. That was my Christmas gift from my husband to me 😆 Hopefully we would only have to rent for a year max, we've been putting money aside for that too and we would only rent a small, cheapish place in the meantime!