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Need advice. Really upset by landlords behaviour

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amazegumball · 07/02/2015 20:36

In a 12 month fixed term agreement which runs out on 12th march and go into a month by month contract.
In the Summer (when my baby was 2 weeks old) I was advised the landlord is selling the property. I explained my situation and said not only will i find it difficult to accommodate viewings with a newborn but we are halfway through a fixed tenancy so he cant.
A week after xmas i get an email saying the property will now be put on the market and two months notice will be given after my fixed term runs out.
Im devastated as i love my home and my kids are in the local school not to mention i have a fitted kitchen and bedroom so will have to fork out for new.
Letting agents emailed last week. Said landlord will be coming on monday to take pics. I was away at the time and said its wasnt convenient.
Just received another email( 5.30pm today ) saying the landlord WILL be coming this monday morning at 10am bringing with him several agents and can i make the house presentable?
I responded saying Monday wasnt convenient (its my bday and ive planned a day out) but the next day was.
Ive just received a email back saying -

Sorry it's going to have to be Monday as it's all booked in with the agents. The landlord left it last week as you were away but cannot change it again.

The landlord wants to keep disturbance to a minimum and will work with you as much as possible but is only required to give you 24 hours notice to enter the property.

Surely i have to agree to this first??
Also if he sells the property do i (as i tenant) go with the sale?
Fed up of moving house every 3 years

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SukieTuesday · 09/02/2015 14:15

Grin at getting a reference.

expatinscotland · 09/02/2015 14:15

You need to step away from that, secure a new place to live and THEN tell him to stuff the viewings and photos.

amazegumball · 09/02/2015 14:31

But I can't secure a new house without a ref can I ?

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chockbic · 09/02/2015 14:36

Can you agree some dates to suit both parties? I know its a pain but you will need a reference to move on.

BoffinMum · 09/02/2015 14:39

I've read through a fair bit of this but not every single post. However, I thought it might be helpful to add a few words as you sound quite upset and disempowered by the proceedings. This is your home, after all.

I have seen both sides of this - landlords coming in to take pictures, etc, including one memorable time when I walked in and realised my (own) living room furniture and ornaments had been completely rearranged in my absence to make it look better for the photos, without anyone telling me they were going in - how creepy is that? Doing a House Doctor with your tenants' personal stuff?!

I have also been a landlord a long time and had tenants being very quick to complain about repairs, maintenance etc, and then be awkward about letting people in to put things right, carry out routine inspections and so on. Recently I had some otherwise lovely tenants but they wanted the contract gardeners to fit their visits around two x three hour periods each fortnight when the woman might be there, and make a special arrangement on each occasion in advance. This is not only unrealistic, given that the contractors have 50 gardens to see to and it is weather dependent and so on, but also it was pretty cheeky as basically the reason we got them in was to put the garden right after the same tenants had rather let it go, and we were being nice and doing this at our expense. In advance of the end of their tenancy, we also needed to do some redecorations because of minor damage they had done with sellotape on the walls, chipped woodwork and so on, and then they complained about this being done before the end of their tenancy, and expected us to have a subsequent void and the next lot of tenants to move in late so that they wouldn't be put out in any way. I stress the works were not that intrusive, and we were only putting right damage they had needlessly (in my opinion) caused, and it was only an issue because the tenant insisted on always being there to stand and watch the workmen and refused to let us in while she was away on holiday ...

Anyway, I digress. I think it's reasonable to work with the landlord a bit as then everyone will be able to compromise. He or she does have the right to access for various things given the appropriate amount of notice, and it is difficult to market a property for rent without a single photo, so I personally think it's a fair to allow them in on one occasion at the least awful time of day to do this, having picked dirty washing up from the floor and done the washing up beforehand. Only once, mind. It is also reasonable to show people around the property now and then, by prior arrangement, before the end of the tenancy, as long as it's not excessive. If he or she is doing this too often, with insufficient notice, then it is probably reasonable to argue that it's a revolving door situation and too much to accommodate.

You also need to remember that you are in a business relationship here. It is perfectly legal for the landlord to give notice according to the terms in your contract, and to sell the house without you having a subsequent tenancy in place (i.e. forcing you to move). The key here is what your contract has said. It may be annoying or inconvenient, and perhaps tenancy law needs reforming, but that is where we are. In future, it is technically possible to arrange a contract that lasts for longer than 6-12 months or whatever, if you can find a landlord who prefers longer term lettings (I often do this for people - I am in the business of helping people have homes, not flipping properties). And of course you have the option of deciding to live in an area where you can afford to buy (in the past I have moved areas for precisely this reason). It sounds to me like you are fed up of renting and there may be a case for toying with the idea of settling down more permanently, even if it involves a move out of the area. In the meantime, try not to get into any fights with your landlord or agent as this will only cause you more stress and anxiety, believe me.

amazegumball · 09/02/2015 14:41

Honestly I've told him if I'm available. Ill do it. No problem. I couldn't do today but offered the rest of this week. It's him saying we can enter as we wish after 24 hours notice has been given. Which is illegal

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chockbic · 09/02/2015 14:42

Well they can't so tell him you'll change the locks, if they persist.

expatinscotland · 09/02/2015 14:44

Depends. If you have a good history and can show it - hand over bank statements showing the rent deductions to the agency, have another recent LL as reference and have a good income, and enough for deposit and first month's rent. Even go back to an old agency and tell them you don't want the current LL to know as they are trying to complete/sell.

BoffinMum · 09/02/2015 14:45

And yes, in terms of a reference all landlords are asked is:

  1. Did they pay their rent in time and on full?
  2. Did they keep the house in good order? and
  3. Would you rent to them again?

So you can start looking now, and if all of these things are in place, you should be fine.

BoffinMum · 09/02/2015 14:48

It is a great shame that you can't arrange a home birth to be taking place opposite the front door for the moment the landlord insists on entering after 24 hours' notice. Business end pointing forwards, as they say. Wink Or maybe time a MN ostentatious bf feed-in for the same time and let him be faced with a sea or norks? GrinGrin

amazegumball · 09/02/2015 14:51

The current ll and one man band agency are very good friends expat!

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chockbic · 09/02/2015 14:52

Doesn't matter, they can't break the law...

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 09/02/2015 14:53

I think you have become emotionally invested in your position, and your pride and desire to "win" is affecting your rational thought.

Your LL is not doing this to you personally, yet you are taking it highly personally.

I do sympathise but none of your arguments matter a jot to your LL (schools, keeping the house tidy etc.). I also think you are overplaying the inconvenience factor, although I think it is a very bad idea to try to sell with a tenant in situ.

expatinscotland · 09/02/2015 14:56

Other agencies? See, whenever they said they were selling, we always said, 'Yes, yeah, okay,' and then fob off for a few days and then find a new place to live! THEN pull the, 'Place is full of boxes, bits of furniture, blah blah blah, but we will be gone in 30 days.'

chockbic · 09/02/2015 15:00

england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/eviction/harassment_and_illegal_eviction_by_landlord/harassment_by_a_landlord

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 09/02/2015 15:02

Why would a landlord give a bad reference to a tenant if they want them out? Makes no sense. Don't forget that. If they make it hard for you to move on you aren't likely to vacate when they want you to!

ClockwiseCat · 09/02/2015 15:03

OP I think you are making your own life very difficult to be honest. I understand your initial annoyance but I think this is more about you being angry that you are not in control of your own living space - which you never will be unless you buy. Is that an option, even in a different area?

Kvetch15 · 09/02/2015 15:07

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Eltonjohnsflorist · 09/02/2015 15:08

Don't worry about a ref . We rented a few times in the last few years without one as we were homeowners. This was accepted without question.

amazegumball · 09/02/2015 15:11

I really can't buy. I'm on very low income .not even double figures.
I'm just angry he's blatantly ignoring my rights and think he can enter my home whenever he pleases within 24 hrs. I am frustrated he doesn't know the law and when reminded him of it he simply said well you can leave if you want but the landlord doesn't want you to and is happy for you to stay until the house is sold.
Of course he is! He wants to have his cake and eat it.

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ClockwiseCat · 09/02/2015 15:13

Elton I think your situation is a bit different. The OP isn't a homeowner and references will be important to her. Some landlords are happy to take homeowners because they see that as evidence of good cashflow rightly or wrongly

amazegumball · 09/02/2015 15:14

are tenants not allowed to complain about landlords and the agents without having being reminded of eviction?

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Kvetch15 · 09/02/2015 15:16

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amazegumball · 09/02/2015 15:18

But what he is saying he can do ( enter the house without permission to conduct viewings) is illegal!

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EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 09/02/2015 15:19

Yes it does. She's out when he's served a valid S.21. It's not the LL's problem if she can't find anything

Unless she can't move out after the s21 notice because she doesn't have a reference, then it becomes absolutely his problem.