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Berkhamsted/Tring/Kings Langley/Apsley/Boxmoor..

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MurderOfProse · 31/08/2012 23:27

We're looking to move before January (renting if we can't sell by then) in order to hit the deadline for primary school admissions for DD. DH needs to commute into Kings Cross and is happy to walk up to 1.25 miles or so to the station. Possibly even cycle a way (along a safe route) for the right house.

After months of research, and a fair bit of drive-bys and occasional wanders on foot, I think we've pretty much settled on moving to one of the shortlisted places above as they tick the boxes over budget, distance etc.

Whether we temporarily rent or buy shortly, whichever location we choose in the next few months is likely to be "it" for the foreseeable as we'll be locked into schools then. We're ultimately hoping to purchase a home for the young DCs to ultimately leave as adults, so pretty long term.

We live in SE London and know little about the Hemel area and surrounds really, so please hit me with tales of good and bad of these shortlisted places! I've read some threads on here, but would love to hear more up to date stuff plus I'm sure there are newer people around too with opinions.

I'm mostly a SAHM for at least the next few years, so looking to make local parent friends hopefully. Am attachment-parenting-friendly, but not extremely so, and pretty open-minded and will happily make friends with just about anyone so long as they're not a twat or toxic! And as long as they don't expect me to be plastered in make-up just to answer the front door to the postie.

Decent state schools are important, but they don't have to be absolutely outstanding.

So..

I realise Berkhamsted is the most pricey by far, but is it worth the extra? DH doesn't mind the walk from Northchurch, but why is it so much cheaper - is it just the distance to the station, or is there more to it?

Is Tring dull and completely lacking in diversity? (something I've picked up from old threads) It looks nice from a drive-through, although houses for sale seem to be mostly estate houses. Obviously this is probably going to be a cycle-to-the-station place.

Are the schools any good in Kings Langley? Kings Langley itself looks nice, but the schools didn't seem that hot, I think the secondary school in particular from what I remember from my research a while back. This is the place I've looked into least.

When driving around Boxmoor, it looked very estatey. This is something we want to avoid, was I looking at the wrong bits? Which are the best primary schools here, as there are so many it will be important due to the admissions rules to be closest to the right one!

I walked around Apsley today with two young DCs, deliberately smiling at people if they made eye contact, and found that people were very unfriendly, which is a shame as it was top of my list otherwise - was the place just having a bad day? (People nearly always smile back here in my very deprived and diverse part of SE London!) There were also some really rude drivers. Have not tried the smiling thing in the other places yet.

Would love to hear honest opinions on these places in particular! Thank you Thanks

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bretta73 · 04/09/2012 16:06

We researched all of the obvious commuter towns in Herts/Bucks, and Berkhamsted won hands-down. Moreover whilst it's not exactly cheap, it is 15-20% cheaper than Harpenden/St Albans - I can only assume this is explained by perceived better (state) schools and the fact that the train line goes straight to the City.

St Albans is certainly livelier than both Harpenden/Berkhamsted (with traffic to boot), but in my mind there's no question that Berkhamsted has a better location than both (nicer countryside; A41 bypass; no aircraft noise etc.). It is also much more compact and thus approx 50% of all the houses in the town are within a 10min walk of the amenities.

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MurderOfProse · 05/09/2012 21:19

Thank you very much again everyone!! Thanks

Merry - Exactly!! My favourite shops are TK Maxx, H&M, Peacocks, Primark, plus the odd M&S outlet etc. You don't get any of those in Westfield, or Bluewater where we usually go. Okay, there's an H&M there, but the rest are missing. That's not to say I don't appreciate finer shops too, because I do (especially when it comes to food shops) but I love my cheapies too!

Forty - That's really good to hear. Hmmm.. sounds like the improvements make things not quite as bad as they are right now. The estate did appeal to me in many ways. I wonder how the new Bovis housing estate will change things..

Bretta - Thanks for the tips on the trains! I won't be commuting but it's very useful for DH. He likes his morning nap, and can't do it without a seat Wink It does amaze me that we live, oooh, 11 miles out from Charing Cross and it takes 33 minutes by train, and we're zone 4. Yet you can get in from Hemel so much faster and it's evidently more rural once you get out from the town centre!

Jamdan - Yep, we're thinking along similar lines for when the DCs get older. I don't want to have to be out picking them up at 12am from somewhere - I want them to be able to socialise locally, or at least a decent late train line. It is hard to make the final leap - as desperate as I am to get a decent size house (we're rammed into a tiny two bed mid terrace right now) and a proper garden, there's a lot I'm going to miss. It's what is familiar partly - I am not looking forward to "starting again" with everything. Good luck with your searches too - let me know how you get along as well!

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MurderOfProse · 05/09/2012 21:22

Wigeon - This has concerned me. I saw a site with the current state of in-year admissions and any half decent school was completely packed, so it seems as though whichever school we pick will have the same issue. I think I am hoping that if DD2 can get into a decent school, then DD1 will go higher up any potential waiting list based on sibling priority, especially if we live very nearby. Am I right in this? Depending on how high up the list she is, I may opt to home school her for a a bit (she'd be good at this), as I think that would be less disruptive for her than swapping schools after 6 months or something.

Bretta - Good to hear you reached similar conclusions. We live fairly near City Airport right now and although we're not directly under the flightpath, we're probably half a mile away from it and it can get noisy. It doesn't bother me as much as I would have thought it would, but I certainly won't miss it.

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ReallyTired · 05/09/2012 21:33

MurderOfProse,

If you are prepared to drive there are some very good village primaries that would almost certainly have places.

Places in good schools do come up as people do move in and out of the area quite a bit. Certainly you would not have a problem getting your children a place at a good school in Hemel, although Berkhamstead would be harder.

Glittertwins · 05/09/2012 21:46

Siblings take priority regardless of distance from the school so if you get DD1 in, you will get #2 in.

Glittertwins · 05/09/2012 21:46

Or vice versa

StiffyByng · 05/09/2012 22:26

I just couldn't move to Hemel. It's just depressing. I know Boxmoor well, and it has nice bits, but it's attached to Hemel.

I know Wigeon recommends Bushey, and there's Oxhey too - I don't know if you've considered them? Both obviously are 'attached' to Watford, but Watford has amazing schools. They are both pretty close to open fields and good walks, although not as directly as some of your options. Houses tend to have nice gardens.

Some examples:

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-33321403.html

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-37555952.html

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-35532118.html

evenkeel · 05/09/2012 22:50

Not to rain on your parade, OP, but London Midland trains are pretty shite, sorry to say. I commute from the area (live roughly between Hemel & Berko), and have come to loathe LM with a passion. Mind you, people in Harpenden say it's better than their line!

It is a nice area, though. Berko, The Rex, Snorbans (as locals call it), Harpenden and lots of lovely countryside are all close by. And despite the previous comment about not being able to bear the thought of Hemel, believe it or not, some people really do move there and live not only to tell the tale, but actually like it!

MerryCosIWonaGold · 06/09/2012 12:16

Is Hemel depressing because it has 'common riff raff' and some 'people of colour'? Not to mention PRIMARK?! I'm sure it used to have a Caffe Nero or Costa Coffee.

BonnieBumble · 06/09/2012 12:28

Hemel town centre is depressing because it is not pretty, full of 99p shops and Debenhams cafe serve free hair with all of the meals.

The rest of Hemel is just like anywhere else really and is quite pretty in parts, canal walks and close to countryside etc.

MurderOfProse · 06/09/2012 12:52

Thank you very much everyone!

Years ago before we moved to SE London, we looked at Bushey. I quite liked it but DH vetoed it, although for the life of me I can't remember why now. He may have changed his mind I suppose in the intervening years, so I might take another look! I hadn't realised it went into Euston.

I don't mind moving to an outlying village but I worry about the DCs when they're older and having to ferry them around. We lived in an outlying village growing up and my parents weren't really ones for ferrying around so I ended up with practically zero social life as a result! Also we'd need a second car, and I am concerned over parking issues/prices at the station.

I suspect most rail lines are a bit shit to be honest. DH has the option of working from home more than in many jobs so it's not as big an issue as it could be.

I'm genuinely okay with Hemel's town centre. Sure, it's a bit grotty and Poundlandtastic in places, but it's far better than where we live now was five years ago (it's improved a lot locally) and I didn't mind that. We can go elsewhere for more upmarket shops, MK isn't that far off after all, and it's nice to have something a bit more slummy too for when I am after cheap stuff! My main concern is if the slumminess extends into the area we have our house, but given there are nice areas I don't think it'll be an issue.

Again, thank you! Thanks

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ReallyTired · 06/09/2012 13:17

Bushey is lovely and if your children are bright there are some excellent schools. Education around there is semi selective. Bushey Meads, Queens?, Parmiters, Rickmondsworth, St Clement Danes, Watford Boys Grammar, Watford Girls Grammar are all semi selective, hence the very good school results.

Gawd help you if your child ends up at Bushey Academy though.

Wigeon · 06/09/2012 13:41

Ok, I'm going to say it: how about Watford? Loads more house for your money. 20 minutes direct into Euston. Still pretty near countryside for walks etc. No ferrying children around. No need for a second car (we only have one car). Great schools at secondary and some very decent primaries. Town centre isn't exactly inspiring, but far far better than Hemel. And it has a John Lewis and a proper shopping centre!

No lovely independent shops and an independent cinema etc like Berkhamsted, and obviously not a sweet little rural market town, but that's why property is cheaper! Plenty of very decent areas with decent, nice people eg me!.

Bonnie - have you been to Hemel town centre? Objectively, it's just not nice (wonders if you have a magic way of knowing what colour people on this thread are).

I have been commuting on London Midland (from Watford) for almost 2 years now and actually I'm finding it pretty good. Certainly seems better than First Crapita Connect, which I used for 5 years from St Albans.

Re school admissions - I don't actually know whether getting DD2 into Reception would help get DD1 up the waiting list - worth checking with Herts Council admissions team. You would hope so, but maybe not...

BonnieBumble · 06/09/2012 13:54

Wigeon, it wasn't me that said anything to do with colour. It was the poster before me.

Yes I have been to Hemel town centre as demonstrated by my comments about the free hair with each meal in Debenhams.

StiffyByng · 06/09/2012 15:53

I said Hemel was depressing, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with colour. In fact, my memories of Hemel (10+ years since I was regularly there but still visit) are that it is less racially diverse than Watford and its surrounding area. I went to school in Watford and it was a pretty ethnically mixed place.

MerryCosIWonaGold · 06/09/2012 17:15

ok, ok, so I just got annoyed at all the comments about how 'naice' all the 'naice' middle class places like Berko are and how depressing Hemel is. Yes, I have been there and 'objectively' it is not that bad. I would genuinely rather shop there than Westfield as my local shops. Wouldn't have minded so much if people were saying Watford was great too, but those comments have come more recently. It was all about how lovely Berko/ Tring/ Bushey are.

BonnieBumble · 06/09/2012 17:21

I prefer Watford to Hemel. Watford has a more urban feel. However the traffic is a nightmare, getting to the supermarket can take forever on a Friday night so would have to say that Hemel wins location wise as it is more rural.

LaurieFairyCake · 06/09/2012 17:38

Yes, Watford traffic is horrendous - I genuinely wouldn't live there because of that - the ring road can be hell.

Hemel is definitely not that bad relatively - I live in apparently the worst street in Hemel for the highest number of crimes (it's in Boxmoor) which is 'taking from motor vehicle' (I know no one this has happened to and I know all my neighbours) - we have practically no serious crime statistically.

If this is the worst street for crime it is honestly hilarious. Grin

The thing is that Berko is really lovely and quaint and it is not too busy/rowdy on a Friday night down the high street - and when you consider the amount of pubs/restaurants there are that's quite a feat.

Watford is horrible on a friday night, just like every other lairy city centre with drunks and blotchy legs and nightclubs which go on very late.

Hemel has practically no pubs in the town centre and the main pub is opposite the police station - this means it is not rowdy in any way - the old town part is rowdier, more pubs but in a very small place.

St Albans - like Watford but a bit posher on a Friday night - still lots of drunks in the town centre and it's loud.

Wigeon · 06/09/2012 19:59

Sorry Bonnie! I meant Merry of course. Merry: Hemel just is worse than Berkhamsted / St Albans etc! Surely! (And you'll see I live in Watford).

Having two small children, I never go out in Watford on a Friday night, so it doesn't matter to me Grin. And actually we seldom drive round the ring road at rush hour (either going to / coming home from work on the train (me) or bike (DH) at that time, or giving the children breakfast / dinner).

StiffyByng · 06/09/2012 20:49

Right. My not-very-interesting contribution in full: I grew up in Watford and wouldn't go back there, I don't think, although the schools are tempting, because I loathed it as a teenager. (Wigeon and I have discussed this in the past!) Even 20 years ago, when I was there, the ring road was just ludicrously awful. I remember when I had a Saturday job for four hours on a Saturday, one week my mother dropped me off and by the time she'd gone round the ring road, just came to get me again.

Hemel feels more claustrophobic to me than Watford, more down at heel and just dull, so of the two I would pick Watford. Boxmoor though has nice bits, especially down towards the canal. I've never lived in Bushey but know lots of people who have, and loved it. Oxhey Village feels very rural (little village green etc) but is very close to things. Berkhamsted looks quite nice but after living in SE London I think I'd go a bit stir crazy there personally. These fairly dull conclusions are all I really have to offer.

ReallyTired · 06/09/2012 20:52

MerryCosIWonaGold

I have lived in Hemel for ten years and I am very happy. I lived in St Albans before that. Dh grew up in Hemel and many people return to Hemel after going to uni and experiencing living in a different place.

It was great fun living in St Albans when I was in my early twenties and had a good job and no real responsibilites. I ate out at posh restaurants, lived on takeways and enjoyed the nice pubs. I lived in a tiny flat in London Road for an extortionate rent. There were plenty of fights in St Albans on a friday or saturday night.

However when you have small children having quaint pubs, restaurants and a cathedral on your doorstep is less of a priority. How often can you afford to eat out if you have four children and live in St Albans?

I know lots of people who come over from Berkhamsted or Harpenden or St Albans to use the swimming pool or take their children to gymnastics. Hemel has the facilties that a young family needs.Property in Hemel provides a lot of space for your money. Hemel is a very practical place to live if you cannot afford to spend 500K on a house.

Wigeon · 06/09/2012 21:00

Hello Stiffy!

Really - DH lived in St Albans from age 25 to 30 and then moved to Watford for what sounds like the same reasons you moved to Hemel!

StiffyByng · 06/09/2012 21:20

Hello, Wigeon! What are you doing at home when you could be down the Parade? Thursday was always the big night at Kudos/Paradise Lost/Destiny.