can state primary education plus tutoring = equivalent of private?

[wheelsonthebus]

we planned to privately educate dc, but dh lost his job and now dc is going to a state primary - downgraded from good to satisfactory by ofsted . if we have dc tutored from yr 1 say, can we get up to standard of a private school(with a view to moving dc if our finances improve - possibly at 7, but definitely at 11). Can an hour a week really achieve anything? Anyone done this from early on? Interested in any views. I now work f/t so doing lots of stuff with dc after school myself is not really an option (except at weekends). I'd be interested to know when tutoring shd really start. My friend said her primary school gets great league table results but that's because most parents pay tutors. Also; what do most people get tutors for - maths or English or both?

You have been increasingly discrediting yourself on this thread, GS, but your latest post really takes the biscuit.

Give up now.

Quattro- I think that one of the most important influences on children is their peer group. Therefore the brighter and more interested the peer group, the better.

DD is in top set in school and has the majority of classes (and most of her friends) with this group. However she has some classes with her mixed ability form group, including Art, PE and Music.

One of her classmates has Downs Syndrome and although she is in mainstream school she does have some learning difficulties which is understandable.

I think she, and in particular, her freinds are an excellent influence on my DD. DD undrestands and respects that others do not find school as easy as her. Also there are people in her set who she would consider to be a bad influence.

When it comes to picking groups to work with, DD will ofter hear people whispering that they dont want to work with girl with DS because they think she will hold them back.

DD and her friends are quick to invite her into her group. Therfore the brighter and more interested peer group are not always the best influence.

Quattro Unfortunately I am aware of many of the negatives that Greensleeves describes just in one school. That school is an extreme, BUT it also shows that it is perfectly possible for any of that to happen. Not that it means it will everywhere though!

again, vinblanc, do you have anything of substance or relevance to say? I don't mind being insulted per se, but when the post is just an insult and nothing else, it begs the question of whether it was worth your while typing it out - just swear at the screen like everyone else

That was an offensive post Greeny. I enjoy debate, and have debated on these threads many times before but you don't debate. You just make false, ill-informed or vastly exaggerated claims. Which could actually misinform people.

Debating actually is a skill (explicity taught at independent schools)

1. "I wouldn't let my children within twenty miles of some of the inarticulate antisocial charlatans I've come across teaching in private schools - they would be laughed out of the interview in any decent state school" Green's personal opinion therefore you are only able to disagree not state it is untrue an opinion is an opinion

1. "and bullying in many private schools is of terrifying proportions." - proof?

1. "private education is a shoddy poorly-regulated hotchpotch - a tombola in which you gamble with your child's potential in order to improve your social self-image" AGAIN NOT TRUE, THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT CHILDREN OF THE SAME ABILITY TEND TO DO BETTER IN INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS THAN THEY WOULD IN STATE.

I'm afraid that if we are to believe the Governments league tables grammar schools are outstripping independent schools... so again not justified

1. "orivate (SIC) schools are businesses, not educational facilities" ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE - THE VAST VAST MAJORITY OF PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANISATIONS DESIGNED TO FURTHER EDUCATION.

some private schools are non profit making but they aren;t the majority ... sorry

1. "there is a tendency to prioritise children's achievements and aptitudes towards vote-winning photo-opportunity crap like playing for county cricket teams and building toilets in Venezuela during the school hols" ERM, NO, THE VAST MAJORITY OF INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS HAVE TO PRODUCE BETTER EXAM RESULTS THAN STATE SCHOOLS. WHICH THEY DO. THAT'S THEIR PRIORITY. We have already established they don't according to the government

1. "yes, private school pupils tend to have a nice veneer of social polish and bags of exterior confidence - that's what private schools offer and that is what parents pay for - because they care more about appearances than real education" ERM, NO, AGAIN. PARENTS OF INDEPENDENT SCHOOL CHILDREN TEND ON THE WHOLE TO HAVE HAD MORE EDUCATION THAN AVERAGE AND TEND ON THE WHOLE TO CARE ABOUT EDUCATION. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT TWICE. opinion...

1. "We've certainly established that private shcools don't have to employ qualified teachers at all though, and often employ completely unqualified teachers, with disastrous consequences for the children." SCAREMONGERING AND NOT TRUE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN UNQUALIFIED TEACHER AT MY DCS SCHOOLS.

It is a fact that independent schools do not have to employ qualified teachers

thank you Quattrocento

Believe me, Greensleeves, you have given me plenty of ammunition to become much more insulting.

I am seriously holding back.

debating is taught at state schools too

I think you've been equally as adversarial in your posts - "tosh", "wrong-headed" etc

but as to my not being up to debating the topic - I think the debate has been very interesting, and I have been a part of it.

None of my (wild, unfounded etc) assertions about private schooling have been effectively challenged.

Private schools can and do emply unqualified teaching staff. Bullying and other forms of antisocial behaviour are huge problems in many private schools and are not dealt with as they should be because schools brush problems under the rug rather than tackle them openly rather than risk the school's reputation, on which it depends in order to remain open. In this sense and others, private schooling is hampered by a business ethic which has no place in education. Teaching and learning in private schools is not properly regulated, is often patchy and inadequate and IT facilities and teaching are often lacking compared to what is offered as standard in state schools.

These things are not going to go away simply because you post in capital letters or label me unfit to debate the subject.

Don't give yourself an aneurysm vinblanc, I'm sure I can take it

"and bullying in many private schools is of terrifying proportions."
I have proof but unfortunately we cannot talk about 'that education system' on MN.

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I have proof too - lots of it (can you tell I feel strongly about it?) but can't go into details either

I have been concerned about lacklustre teaching and long-term absences for 'stress'.

Now I am wondering if I have missed major ideology ishoos, and blatant chips on shoulders.

Things are worse than I thought. Maybe I should be writing begging letters to grandparents.

I am actually quite gutted at some of the attitudes shown on this thread. I really hope that I have never met some of you in real life, as teachers/TAs of my children. Really, truly.

Vinblanc Explain? WHAT things are worse than you thought?

Also...ishoos... (this is actually a serious question) Why do I keep seeing people spell issues like that. Is it an in-joke or something???

Talking of missionary trips to Venezuela to build toilets - I just found out the other day that this earns the little go-gooders UCAS points! I was gob-smacked.

I think that for the first time, I'm going to leave an education thread. I don't think there's anything to be gained from this thread but abuse.

And don't have a messianic conversion Greeny. I'd like my children to have an academic education ...

Good Luck Quattrocento

What has been deleted?

mrz Thats what I thought too!?

Quattro Sorry you are leaving, while you may have differing ideas and experiences than I do, I always like to debate things.

I might just join you QC. I feel this thread has been in a parallel universe for some time.

my post calling Quattro a bully, in response to her capitalised bullying refutation of my points throughout the thread

You know what MNHQ - I've had enough of the micro-policing and the itchy trigger finger

When you delete a single post like that it makes it look as though the poster has been really obscene and allows the other half of the disagreement to saunter off looking like the dignified injured party

which Quattro clearly is not

So I'll agree with her for the first time today - I've had enough, I'm off. I spend too much damn time on here as it is, there must be more to life.

Hey, it's all OK anyway - headline from the Daily JunkMail today:

Parents who lose their jobs to have private school fees paid under Tory plan

AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!