Anyone know if Year 2 level 3's had to do the level 2 paper?

[karise]

Or do they just do the level 3 paper???

Just the level 3 paper.

Do they sit the level 3 while the others are doing the level 2's then?
DD spoke about 10 of them being taken to another room to do something & I was just wondering if that was part of the assessment?

Eh? I thought they all did the same paper and the level they are at is decided from the results of that paper?

I am totally confused by the whole thing!

DS said he did level 3 in Maths, but then in one literacy one did level 2 with the rest of his class and next day he and another boy had to go do the level 3.

His teacher hasn't said anything to us, so I suppose we will just wait and see.

My thinking at the moment is that his normal class teacher did not expect him to do as well in the literacy test (he has another teacher for maths), and put him forward for the level 3 papers in literacy after she saw his level 2 paper.

At parents evening we did get the impression she didn't "get" DS, so that would make sense.

We will have to wait til his report in July before we get told about them.

At least he has been happy with it all anfd thought it was good fun.

DD1 says that her group did some different sums from the rest of the class, and they were really, really hard, so they decided to do them all together so it was easier !

I wish they would just be honest with us! Depending on a 6 year old for information is very confusing..

Teachers have to report a teacher assessment at the end of year 2 in each subject. If a child is working at level 2 or above, they have to complete just one test in each subject (reading, writing and maths) to form part of the vast evidence for this assessment.

The test can be used at any stage in the year - a teacher could use a test in September to confirm where a child is at that point, then use teacher assessment for the rest of the year to prove a child's progress moving on from that result.

Most Y2 teachers prefer to do the tests at this time of year to help confirm their near final assessment.

A child should not sit a level 2 test and then go on to complete a level 3 test also - this is poor teacher assessment, and makes the child jump through unnecessary hoops - if a child is level 3, the teacher assessment should already show that.

Most Y2 teachers administer the tests as part of 'normal' lessons, in groups, so that children are not even aware they are doing them. They are only 6 and 7 years old, fgs!

Makes me sad to hear on teachers enforcing more than one test in each subject on children, or even worse taking them into the hall to sit them, as one thread reported on here. Completely unnecessary and mean.

Ours have been doing theirs in 'assessment week'. Desks have been seperated & they are sitting in silence for them. They have then had to sit still for hymn practise & to watch the older ones do their auditions 2 afternoons this week .
But they did get a clap at parents assembly today LOL

Ds1's classroom (which is v v cramped) was re-arranged for the 'tests' so that children could not easily copy - normally I think there is room for 8 children to sit round a pair of tables but the tables were all split up so only 3 at each. Is his school taking it too seriously?

I have got virtually no info from ds about sats but I got the impression that the school plays it down .

Will teachers already know what results the kids have? I can quiz ds's teachers on monday

karise - same arrangements vis desks at your child's school I see.

Ds1 and class got an ice cream for their efforts!

Yes, in answer to your first question!

Yes, teachers know now, as they been required to know through teacher assessment all year - they have to report their final teacher assessment to the LEA in June (not necessarily the test result - few LEAs demand this now, and it isn't statutory. Test results aren't usually reported to parents now, just the Teacher assessment). A few children may make a bit more progress between now and then, but the list of assessments will be nearly finalised. They aren't required to report the final teacher assessment to parents until the end of Y2.

I am [shocked] at your school's y2 assessment procedures, karise.

When the SAT procedures changed years ago, the DFEE (as was) produced a publication to explain how Y2 assessment was to move forward. It was called 'Building a picture of what children can do' and explained how the key aim of the new procedures was to emphasise the importance of teachers' own assessment of children's progress, using the tests as just a tiny part of the whole picture of a child's achievement - [https://orderline.qca.org.uk/gempdf/1847210635.pdf here it is]

Unfortunately, Ofsted is still so results driven that many LEAs and schools choose to ignore this document. I am thankful that I work for an LEA who doesn't feel it necessary to put 6 and 7 year olds through this procedure when it is so unnecessary, and not even statutory.

That would be and this link - I hope!

This is interesting because my dd sat the literacy level 3 and not the level 2...and within the last week her reading book has been changed to 3 levels higher than it was....So she's now reading a KS 2 reading book.

She sat level 2 Maths and said she found it easy and then sat the level 3 paper which she said was quite hard...so I assume they under estimated her maths but she changed schools at beginning of year...so teacher is probably still assessing her ability.

Yes, that would be understandable in your dd's case, lottysmum.

I think DD sat level 3 in literacy and maths. She bought a level 3 maths paper home last weekend and sailed through it (I however, did not! ). DD's teacher is off sick this week and this is her 4th period of long term sick since September, the supply teacher and the year 1 teacher are marking the papers. (according to DD)

Level 3 Maths is surprisingly difficult!

My DS hasn't even done his Year 2 SATS yet, he is meant to be doing them in June I think.

I know that dd is level 3 for literacy but she has no idea which level papers she's done this last week, lol. Will be interesting to see what she achieves for math & science.

Her only comment about the tests has been to happily report that she did a problem comparing the lengths of two dinosaurs.

The year 2 class i work with did their SAT's last week and unfortunately some children did have to sit a level 2 and 3 reading paper.
The level 3 reading test was quite hard so a few of the children who were working towards the level 3 did not manage to achieve the level and so had to sit the level 2 paper, even the children who did get a level 3 only just scraped through.

This was also due to the fact that the class teacher, (who is off sick and has been for the past 6 weeks) insisted we gave the children the level she wanted them to do rather than consult the people who had actually been working with the children and seen some of them make a massive improvement.
Luckily we talked to the head and the 7 children who were only going to complete the level 1 task were given the chance to try the level 2 paper, 3 got a 2a and 3 got a 2b so only one child got a level 1 instead of 7.

We are all remembering that it doesn't matter one jot, aren't we?

I totally disagree with SATS, for Y2 and Y6.
I would be very happy if my DS didn't even do them. He certainly isn't worried about them.
Its purely for the schools statistics, nothing to be gained from them for the children.

Our school usually gives everyone the level 2 (unless SEN excemption), with a small group doing the level 3. Although teachers have a very good idea of how their children will do, there is a gap (especially in Maths) between the 2 papers and having them do both can very occasionally flag up the odd surprise on the day.

I personally dislike SATs, too much preparation and build-up for a one-day snap-shot, but a lot of (competing) parents like them where I am.

Re the comment about sitting both papers being poor teacher assessment because we should know where they are - I agree, we do, but a lot of schools feel that you have to keep proving that you know, accountability being the watchword !