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DS hating new school - How long should I give it?

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luckywinner · 18/01/2009 20:53

Can I ask you all your opinions on something I am really struggling with? I feel like I am being a slightly overprotective mother but I just can't get away from a really strong feeling I have.

My ds (4 in April) has just started at a nursery attached to a school and it is not going too well. I know it is early days but I had major reservations about sending him there (call it gut instinct) but we were hoping he would go to reception there in September and it is a v oversubscribed, C of E school and the school has implied in not so many words they give priority to children in the nursery who meet the other criteria (eg regular church attendance).

They have a settling in period of roughly a week. They start as going mornings first (and eating lunch) and then progress to all day - 8.55-3.20pm. There is no flexibility in the hours and days they go. And they are expected to go to full days after a week.

So my ds, who has been blissfully happy at a local pre-school and staying there a couple of days for lunch to get used to it, has now done 10 days at his new nursery, three of which have been all day, and it has completely floored him. He has gone from being a happy, content boy to now being tired, grumpy, naughty, occasionally agressive and completely wiped out.

On Thursday when I picked him up after him being there all day the teacher pulled me aside and told me another child saw ds bash another child on the hand with a car. She also mentioned he wouldn't look at her when she talked to him about it. I am in no way bothered that she told my son off, although of course he is perfect but it really bothered me she was telling me such a minor misdemeanour, when I suppose I view it as typical three year old behaviour (he does this to me when he is tired). I suppose what I mean is by her telling me I felt like she was making it into a big deal and not giving him any allowances for being on his first week in a strange place etc.

This all sounds very trivial now I have written it down but it has made me think about all the doubts I had about sending him there in the first place. I hate that he has to go full time at such a young age. I hate that there is little or no communication between parents and teacher, I don't know what he has for lunch, I hate that his teacher is so business-like. These are little ones fgs, some of whom have never been away from their mums and she treats them like year 1s.

I have a friend who's son has also started with my ds and her eldest is in year 1. Her words to me have been, 'the first two years are horrendous. But it does get better in year 1. You just have to keep your head down.'

But I don't want to do that. I don't want to wish my little boy's life away just so he can have a place at reception. It sucks!

There are two other schools near us. One is dreadful and the other is catholic and the best in the borough. We cannot afford private (we are in London) and anyway I should have put his name down at birth if I wanted that option.

We drove past his old nursery at the weekend and he said to me 'Mummy I don't like my church school, I want to back to my *** nursery'. He cried on Friday morning that he didn't want to go to church school (his words!) and at the weekend he asked me whether it was the weekend because he wanted to be with me and daddy and his sister, not at school.

So how long do I give it? I know it is early days but my heart keeps telling me its wrong. The alternative for us would be to move out of London but that would be a massive decision for us due to dh's job.

I'm sorry if this all sounds trivial but I have no experience of this and I am worried. I am always positive with him about it but underneath it all I want to take him out, now!

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sandyballs · 18/01/2009 20:57

Sounds awful. I would take him out. Are there really no other schools nearby? where are you?

wheresthehamster · 18/01/2009 20:58

A whole day at 3??? That's mad.

Sorry - not much help. If there is an alternative I would go for it. Good luck

edam · 18/01/2009 20:58

doesn't sound trivial at all. Poor you (plural). My sister's just pulled her 4yo out of a very sought-after primary because she really wasn't very happy at the way they were treating new starters in reception - luckily she was on the continuing interest list for another school and a place came up.

I have no way of knowing whether this will settle down or if it's a real problem... but I sympathise. If you do have any other options, I'd be looking at them very carefully.

edam · 18/01/2009 21:00

just realised it's nursery, not reception - take him out! (While reading the admissions policy very carefully.)

luckywinner · 18/01/2009 21:00

Oh thank you both, I totally agree, its madness. I keep thinking even some flipping reception classes don't go this hardcore to begin with.

I am in London. Lovely lovely London. That is fab for a lot of things and completely sucks for others, namely schools, well in my area anyway.

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sundew · 18/01/2009 21:02

I would take him out - he is far too young to be at school all day - it floored my dd2 when she started school - and she had been used to full time nursery.

Are you in the catchment area for this school - if so I wouldn't worry.

Also, if reception is awful do you really want your ds to go? I think the first couple of years at school are crucial to getting children to decide if they like or hate school.

luckywinner · 18/01/2009 21:03

sorry x-posted edam, dh stole the laptop.
I really really want to take him out but feel I am being so reactionary. But my heart is screaming at me to get him out of there.

I don't even like the blooming service we have to go to. It is so high church and I am def the low end of the C of E service scale

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Smithagain · 18/01/2009 21:05

It sounds pushy and inflexible. I can't believe they are expecting three year olds to do five, full-time days. DD wouldn't have coped with that in Reception, never mind nursery.

I don't think keeping your head down for two years is going to do him any favours. But then I'm not all that sold on pushy schools. Is the "dreadful" school really, really dreadful, or is it just the one that all the nice middle-class mummies look down their noses at (IYSWIM). Just that DD1 goes to the least sought-after school in our District and it's lovely!!!

izyboy · 18/01/2009 21:05

Well I felt the same as you this time last year. My son was attending a nursery attached to the school 5 mornings a week. He had very few tantrums before but from day 1 of starting school he tantrummed every day. He was very tired, not used to the structure and was expected to change for P.E. Teacher was also very business like. We stuck at it and fast forward a year things are alot better. I am sure you will all pull through ok but it depends on whether you see another otion as more appropriate.

luckywinner · 18/01/2009 21:06

We are in the catchment area but it is C of E where you have to sign attendance register and when we went to look round the school they basically said if you don't come to our nursery then we ain't going to give you a place. The headmistress is a v formidable woman and likes it done a very specific way. As a result all the parents/teachers are scared of her, and I think if I pulled him out of nursery there is no way I would get a reception place but you're right, why the hell do I want a place a school that is stressing me out already. It does have an outstanding ofsted report though. Apparently in it they excel at spiritual happiness

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ThursdayNext · 18/01/2009 21:06

You don't think the teacher could have been telling you just to keep you informed and so you were in the picture if DS told you about being told off, rather than because she thought the bashing incident was a big deal?
Hmm, maybe not.

I think in London religious schools often seem to be rather more old-fashioned and disciplinarian than non-religious schools. Do you think this is the case here?

Is the alternative school really dreadful?

bollockbrain · 18/01/2009 21:07

take him out, the nursery year spent with you and at any playgroup for however few hours will be far more worthwhile.

He is way to young.

bollockbrain · 18/01/2009 21:07

too

izyboy · 18/01/2009 21:09

Could you have regular 'sick days' to let him rest?

izyboy · 18/01/2009 21:10

I only suggest this because he does not HAVE to attend school at this age but if you NEED him to keep the place then just let him have regular 'rest' days.

PavlovtheCat · 18/01/2009 21:11

take him out. Absolutely.

LIZS · 18/01/2009 21:11

They can't hold your child to ransom at nursery and can only allocate Reception places according to the published criteria otherwise you can appeal to LEA if he is otherwise denied a place (may not create a positive start though). He is only funded for 12 1/2 hours so could you ask to keep him on half days for now then review. When do they send out offer letters ?

ThursdayNext · 18/01/2009 21:12

A headmistress who the parents and teachers are scared of (can't imagine the children like her too much?) sounds awful to me. Wouldn't want my children going there, outstanding ofsted or not.

izyboy · 18/01/2009 21:14

I have to say I am glad I didnt pull DS out because he made lots of friends and found reception alot easier as a result.

wheresthehamster · 18/01/2009 21:14

liz - I have seen some c of e admissions criteria and some say priority to nursery children. Not sure if you could appeal against this or not.

luckywinner · 18/01/2009 21:14

Izy I thought about that and that is what my friend does to get round her son not coping.

It is inflexible and that is what is getting to me the most. How can you be so inflexible with 3 year olds? It is quite strict traditional and I knew all that when we took the place and I think I can bear that for a 7 year old but not a 3 year old.

Thursday I did think that about telling me, and I know I might be being overly sensitive but something tells me its more about enforcing discipline and 'their way' at the beginning. But that goes back to being inflexible doesn't it?

Lizs, I did think this but you're right I would be a bit worried about the negative feeling they may have if I did this. And it is quite closed ranks iykwim

The other school is almost failing and also huge, although def one middle class mummies turn their nose up to

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nancy75 · 18/01/2009 21:16

tbh, i would have real worries about sending him to the school if the headmistress is so strict, i agree with pretty much everyone else, take him out. my dd is the same age and i know that doing 5 full days would upset her and probably turn her into a tired little monster! i live in london too and i understand the problem of getting them into an ok school, are there other schools slightly further away that you could consider? We have just done the school applications for dd and i was surprised at how far we could live from some schools and still have a chance of getting her in, its worth checking your local council website for info on this.

ThursdayNext · 18/01/2009 21:18

Have you had a really good look around the alternative school, met the head etc?

AMumInScotland · 18/01/2009 21:19

Personally, I'd just pull him out - 3 is far too young to be treated that way, and TBH I'd have problems with the whole ethos of the school for later as well. But I don't live in London and have no advice for what you do later, except to cross your fingers you can get a place somewhere nicer, or else home educate if there's nothing to be had, and get on a waiting list.

luckywinner · 18/01/2009 21:23

Tomorrow I am calling all the other non-church schools to get prospectuses etc and make appointments to look round.

There is a small chance of moving to another part of London but with property market as it is that would be v difficult.

I just can't get away from the fact that he is 3 and at school all day and he and I will never get this time back in his life.

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