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Friend told me ds2 is the most unpopular child in his class

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tigermoth · 15/06/2008 08:52

Well, she didn't exactly say that, but that's what she meant. I asked her to be honest and tell me if I could do anything to help. She said it wasn't my fault - not to do with discipline etc. I asked her if it was to do with ds2 playing lots of soldier games at school but apparently this is not the problem.

She says the problem is ds2 seems boisterous in the playground and other parents worry about controlling him so he gets no invites. I gathered from her that there's been a recent whole class party at school to which ds was the only child not invited. I had no idea .

I drop off ds in the morning, never linger at the school and that is my only regular contact with the parents. I do not get involved with playground politics and do have friend amongst parents in other years. AFAIK the parents in his class seem friendly enough - I see them socially from time to time and chat to them at school fairs etc. I have never fallen out with any of them.

To put this into context, ds's behaviour never seems to be a big issue with teachers there - I have never been called in to see the teachers to talk about his behaviour, ds has never been involved in a fight or AFIAK deliberately hurt another child, he has never had to see the head and rarely misses playtimes for bad behaviour. (In contrast, my oldest son while in year 4, has lots of punishments for behaviour - so I know what I am talking about. Yet ds1 also had friends and had party invites).

Ds2 does complain from time to time about having no best friends in his form, but when I see him with them, he's always in a group and chidren seem to like him.

Last november at a parent/teacher meeting his form teacher told me ds was sad and lonely at school as his best friend had moved to another school. Ds2 had never told me he missed his friend so much. The teacher told me the priority in his individual education action plan was for him to build friendships in his class and asked me to organise playdates to encourage his friendships. Since then I have had four or five children from his class round. Everyone seems to get on well but no parents have reciprocated with playdates and ds1 has been invited to no parties since year 3.

I thought it was just that one of those things, until my friend spoke to me yesterday. My friend is an active member of the PTA and a govenor, so gets to hear some inside information. She also told me that the teachers are aware that ds2 does not seem to fit in with his class. The head said ds2 was a favourite of his, as he was such a polite and honest boy when you got to know him.

My dh and my friend said it was all to do with playground politics - nothing I as a parent can do about it. It is the other parents who have grouped up and I should just ignore it, keep inviting children round but expect nothing in return.

I still feel a bit gutted though

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DarthVader · 15/06/2008 08:59

It might be worth a chat with the teacher again on this subject?

I would really recommned to you the book "playful parenting" - it says how important it is for parents to play physical, wrestling kind of games with their boys so that the boys will play better with their friends. It also shows how to use play to get closer to your child, find out how they really feel and help them through their problems. I think this book is especially good for parents of boys.

tigermoth · 15/06/2008 09:11

I know what you mean about physical games, but ds1 is not really into playwrestling with his friends AFAIK. His school are very strict about fighting in the playground. DS2 does playwrestle with his oldest brother, but when he has playdates, again there is not much playwestling.

I often take ds2 to playgrounds at weekend and see him very easily making friends there - usually a whole group of them. He always plays running around, shooting types of army games with them. No actual hitting, kicking or anyone getting hurt, just lots of role play.

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edam · 15/06/2008 09:13

Oh, that is really horrid. So sorry the other parents are being nasty. Can't imagine holding a whole class party and leaving out one child!

I really hope we haven't done this with ds's birthday. There are 45 in his year and we've invited a lot from his class but a lot from the other class too as he has friends in both from nursery. I'd be mortified if I found we had. Must check class list...

Agree, speak to the teacher again and tell her everything you've told us and ask for things you and she can try. Darth's book sounds good and I've seen one called The Unwritten Rules of Friendship recommended on MN several times.

cameroonmama · 15/06/2008 09:14

Oh tigermoth I feel so for you and your lovely ds. I do hate the way parents can 'label' kids so quickly, even when they rarely know them. One of ds 1's friends although smaller is regarded in a similar way, too lively, too wild to have for playdates. When he comes to me to play with ds he is an absolute darling.

Be strong, speak to the teachers again and see what they suggest you can all do to encourage him. Does he go to Cubs/scouts or have any activities outside school where you could work on some of those friendships too to build up his confidence?

DarthVader · 15/06/2008 09:15

The book says boys actually need to wrestle at home with their parents! It kind of makes sense when you read it because the wrestling with a parent has completely different way of wrestling than with another child.

Does ds2 have a set of friends outside of school and if not can you help him with this? I think it is great for kids to have friends outside of school.

tigermoth · 15/06/2008 09:23

HGe joined beavers for a year with lots of boys from his class, but didn't like it. He also tried after school football club but didn't like that. He goes to guitar classes at school which he likes. He also goes to playclub four afternoons a week and seems to have lots of friends there (mainly from another school). His playclub leaders have never said he is lonely. He has several friends in our street and although there is the odd falling out, is happy to play out with them. So AFAIK the only place he does not fit in so well is at school.

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cluelessnchaos · 15/06/2008 09:27

I think your dh and friend are right, keep plugging away and as good reports leak back to parents he will start getting invites back.

Flier · 15/06/2008 09:44

This is the sort of scenario I fear we are going to find ourselves in with our DS. He is a lively wee lad, just like yours and also very well mannered and polite. He is at the school nursery and will start in P1 in August. There seem to be plenty of playdates arranged amongst the other children, and DS has had 3 children come to us for a playdate, but none of them have been reciprocated. When I ask him who his friends are at nursery, he always says that everyone is his friend.
I believe that, as someone else posted, the parents "label" other kids very early on, and its the parents that ultimately arrange the playdates, so is there any way you could get talking to some of the other parents at the school gate? It seems as though your ds has no problems making friends, does he seem happy at school?
Going to take a look at the recommended book, darthvader.

AbbeyA · 15/06/2008 10:01

The whole school party, leaving out one DC seems very unfair.
I think you should make an appointment to see his teacher and really try to get to the bottom of the problem.

tigermoth · 15/06/2008 10:15

well, I'll be going to the school summer fair in a couple of weeks - I might also volunteer to run a stall, as I usually do.

I will have plenty of opportunity to talk to other parents in my son's class. I'd love to get to the bottom of this and am not afraid of polite confrontation as I have nothing to lose, really.

Do you think it would be a good idea to ask one or two of the parents (especially the ones who help out in the classroom) some leading questions (in a casual sort or way)about who ds2? If so, what should I ask?

I may well talk to his teacher again, but I want to talk to my friend again first. And I will try and get hold of that book DarthVadar.

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pointydog · 15/06/2008 10:15

I am rather sceptical of what your friend has been saying to you. She'd have done better not to.

pointydog · 15/06/2008 10:16

I think you definitely need to speak to the teacher before you talk to your friend again and I would not talk to the other parents about this.

Enid · 15/06/2008 10:17

ditch your friend

she sounds horrible

is your son happy? if so talk only to teachers

Enid · 15/06/2008 10:17

agree agree with pointy

Enid · 15/06/2008 10:18

does he do any sport out of school?

tigermoth · 15/06/2008 10:18

yes, I am not taking my friend's view as gospel truth,especially about the whole class party. ds2 might have lost the inviter or perhaps was one of several children who did not get invited. But what she said dows generally correspond with what his form teacher has told me. And there do seem to be a distinct lack of invites coming his way.

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FluffyMummy123 · 15/06/2008 10:18

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ooopsyoopsydaisy · 15/06/2008 10:20

this seems really strange. friend stirring it all up a bit, sounds like

do many playdates go on with other kids?

tigermoth · 15/06/2008 10:24

I think it arose because my friend likes my son - she used to collect him from school each afternoon and take him to his playclub so she knows him very well. She is quite protective of him in a way, as my oldest ds1 (friends with her older boy) can be charming and attention seeking one and ds2 tends to go into a daydream in company and withdraw.

She is also a bit of a busy body in the nicest possible way. She realises I would not pick up on this playground politics stuff by myself, but I assume as other people have picked up on it, wants me to know.

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AbbeyA · 15/06/2008 10:36

I wouldn't talk to any parents-I would make an appointment to see the teacher.

Flier · 15/06/2008 11:18

I didn't mean for you to talk to the parents about the situation, but to get to know them a bit, then you may get to hear more about the lie of the land, iykwim.
I think your friend is trying to help, and , as you say, you should continue to invite children round, if they are friendly no amount of parents trying to steer children together or apart will change that, imo.
and I think you should def speak to the class teacher about how well he mixes with the other children, and who he mixes with most so that you can invite them over.

Judy1234 · 15/06/2008 11:18

My sister has the same issues, almost word for word (but she also has one who has beavioural issues). I never quite know how to advise her. I've been lucky to have popular children.

Perhaps he could make friends out of school so school friends don't matter so much. Also some children are more solitary than others. One of my twins has more friends than the other - it's just how they are. Quiet introverts have been found to be internally happier and less likely to have mental problems by the way than the life and soul of the party types so it's by no means true that sociable equals good.

critterjitter · 15/06/2008 18:20

I think the bottom line is, do you want your son to go to a school where the parents of his class mates behave like this (seemingly en masse)? They sound like a bit of a nasty bunch. And unfortunately, this behaviour will start to be copied by their offspring.

I can understand girls or boys only parties, but asking everyone apart from your son? Thats quite vicious. Could you ask the parent why they chose to do so?

I had a similar situation a while back with my DD. The mother (who invited everyone bar my DD) then messed up and sent my DD a 'thank you for coming to our party' card. I was incandescent, but managed to keep my cool and politely return the card to her in person. DD saw me do it and ran up at the same time saying: "Why did you send me a card when you didn't invite me?" I actually pitied her and her petty behaviour after that.

TheTeaspoonLady · 15/06/2008 18:26

I think you need to go into school, and take the views and opinions of the teacher as being more accurate than those of your friend who is on the PTA and board of governors.

I know you said you asked your friend for her opinion, but she really just came out with a load of gossip, and has succeeded in causing upset.

She has not behaved in an appropriate or responsible manner for a school governor imo.

Agree with looking into out of school clubs that your DS will enjoy.

He sounds lovely.

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