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Is this fraud and what to do.

329 replies

froggola · 19/05/2025 12:01

Please no judgement. DH and I have been living apart for a couple of years but still together. Me and kids will move back into with him in September.
When applying for reception place I put his address as our main residence. I also didn’t say DS goes to nursery. As the nursery he goes to would prove that my house not in the borough is his main residence. I know that is wrong but I made the decision in a moment when filling in the form….Ds got offered a place and now school want a home visit. It’s feeling really stressful. What’s the plan? To go there and fake I already live there? Withdraw the application? It’s making me feel uneasy. I’d appreciate honest advice. I wasn’t intentionally deceitful, but I was. by omitting information and lying about my address. …which will be my address by September. If it makes any difference I’m on the deeds and have owned the house got a decade…

OP posts:
TENSsion · 20/05/2025 09:43

Matronic6 · 19/05/2025 21:48

I do know the admission rules for my local authority.

I work in an oversubscribed school and previously worked in one of the most oversubscribed schools in London so I am well aware of application fraud. I also know that teachers are never sent on a home visit to uncover it or ask a single question to investigate it.

There are drop in checks to confirm addresses are long term residential but these are only in cases were addresses can not be confirmed adequately or do not align with council information. Seeing as OP's partner is the named father and has lived there it is unlikely it will be flagged. But even if they did a spot check, which would be unannounced, it likely would have happened by now if it was a very oversubscribed school.

But it is absolute nonsense to suggest a teachers home visit for reception entry is in any way an investigation.

Imagine if teachers were expected to factor this in to their summer responsibilities 😂

OP, you’ll be living there when he starts school. He’ll be there on time every day. In real life, no one will give a shit. For some reason, a lot of posters on here are unnecessarily angry about this.

There’s no logic in putting your current address, being allocated a school near there to have to reapply and wait for a new school in September when you move. It would be a huge inconvenience for everyone involved, would take the place of a kid who lives near your current home and would upset the education of your child.

You’ve done the right thing.

KeenDog · 20/05/2025 09:44

Just tell your DH he is doing the home visit with your son at his house and leave him to it if it is stressing you out this much. The teacher will not give a flying fuck about any of the address/ admissions stuff they just want to meet your child and get them comfortable for starting school.

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 09:55

For some reason, a lot of posters on here are unnecessarily angry about this.

Could you identify which posters are 'angry' as opposed to answering OP's original question i.e. "is this fraud?"

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 09:59

Verbena17 · 20/05/2025 09:37

The person saying that DID work in that area of work.

My LA stipulates that the address must be the one where the child spends the majority of his/her time. Others may leave it to the parents. Others - as PRH, another expert, identified can happen - may say the address of a house owned by the parents trumps a rental address.

But the poster you mentioned can only speak for their own LA, which may or may not be the same as the OP's LA. Which was HoppingGreen's point.

RumAndDietCoke · 20/05/2025 10:22

Don’t listen to all the pearl clutchers getting their knickers in a twist. You’re on the deeds and you’ll be living there in 4 months. What’s the big deal? There will be kids who live in the borough now who get a place who move out within a year. They won’t have to move school 🤷‍♀️ 🤷‍♀️ You’re over thinking this.

TENSsion · 20/05/2025 10:23

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 09:55

For some reason, a lot of posters on here are unnecessarily angry about this.

Could you identify which posters are 'angry' as opposed to answering OP's original question i.e. "is this fraud?"

You want me to go through 12 pages of posts and copy and paste comments and usernames? Or was that just an angry outburst and a bit of foot stamping?

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 10:24

Don’t listen to all the pearl clutchers getting their knickers in a twist.

Could you identify which posters are clutching their pearls and getting their knickers in a twist (or clutching their tie-pins and getting their boxers in a twist, as there is at least one male poster on the thread)? As opposed to posters replying with factual information to the OP's question?

TENSsion · 20/05/2025 10:25

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 10:24

Don’t listen to all the pearl clutchers getting their knickers in a twist.

Could you identify which posters are clutching their pearls and getting their knickers in a twist (or clutching their tie-pins and getting their boxers in a twist, as there is at least one male poster on the thread)? As opposed to posters replying with factual information to the OP's question?

You seem very het up about this.

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 10:26

TENSsion · 20/05/2025 10:23

You want me to go through 12 pages of posts and copy and paste comments and usernames? Or was that just an angry outburst and a bit of foot stamping?

If you are asserting something, it's usual to have evidence.

But if you consider that my polite question to you was an angry outburst and a bit of foot stamping, then I think the problem lies with you, my friend.

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 10:26

TENSsion · 20/05/2025 10:25

You seem very het up about this.

In what way?

froggola · 20/05/2025 10:58

Dear All,

Thanks for your contributions. I’ve had enough handwringing and will just have to wait it out any come what may. We are alive and healthy. I’m not a criminal and we’ll survive if I’m hunted down by the LA. Life is complicated enough. I’m mentally preparing myself that there may be a problem. Frankly I’m sick of worrying. I know it doesn’t matter because rules are rules. But Agh. Why would I apply to a school here when i’m about to move? TBH. The school we have been offered wasn’t even my top 4 choice. Yes it’s a popular school but I wasn’t aiming for that particular school. I just wanted to secure A reception school place!

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SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 11:00

Good luck, OP, I hope it works out for you and there are no issues and that your family settles back in together well over the next few months,

Riaanna · 20/05/2025 13:28

froggola · 20/05/2025 10:58

Dear All,

Thanks for your contributions. I’ve had enough handwringing and will just have to wait it out any come what may. We are alive and healthy. I’m not a criminal and we’ll survive if I’m hunted down by the LA. Life is complicated enough. I’m mentally preparing myself that there may be a problem. Frankly I’m sick of worrying. I know it doesn’t matter because rules are rules. But Agh. Why would I apply to a school here when i’m about to move? TBH. The school we have been offered wasn’t even my top 4 choice. Yes it’s a popular school but I wasn’t aiming for that particular school. I just wanted to secure A reception school place!

It matters because they prioritise those who live there. Obviously.

Hoppinggreen · 20/05/2025 13:34

Verbena17 · 20/05/2025 09:37

The person saying that DID work in that area of work.

At OP's LEA?
Unlikely

Hoppinggreen · 20/05/2025 13:40

TENSsion · 20/05/2025 10:25

You seem very het up about this.

Nonsense
Very few people were calling for OP to be hung drawn and quartered over this
Some people just stated that in SOME LEA's this would be considered fraud (as per OP's question) and if found out the child could have their place withdrawn.
I have no idea why people trying to offer practical and factual advice were called names, accused of being trolls and generally abused.
Whether people think this is morally wrong or not is another issue and not what OP asked

Dancingintherain09 · 20/05/2025 17:12

You are more than OK applying for a school in the district you are moving too if you already have an address .
I am well versed in this from being a military wife. I've had to apply for several schools ahead of moving.
Do the home visit explaining you are in the process of moving.

sparkie1232 · 20/05/2025 17:14

Honestly don't worry about , that is your home that you're moving back to , explain to them that currently your out the area, moving back on this date.. so if they still want to come out and check that's fine but would it be better once your back in ur place x

AJ20 · 20/05/2025 17:18

Alot of what you are saying isn't adding up to me.

Why are you really living in another town and how often do they see their father?

If you "cannot move until the end if term" that is mid July not September. We're missing something big here folks.

OP is withholding critical information.

Mummyto7lovelife · 20/05/2025 17:18

How confusing for the child why aren't you together? Are you claiming benefits separately also?

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 20/05/2025 17:20

Blackdow · 19/05/2025 14:01

Your husband can do the home visit with your son; you don’t need to be there. Quite a simple, “we are currently separate so she isn’t here. Want to see son’s bedroom?”

No lies required. It’s your husband’s home. And your son’s other home; he has two. It will be yours if you go ahead with the reconciliation but that doesn’t matter. It’s your son having a home there that matters.

This

Stop over thinking this...!!

Hope your son loves his school 👍

mediumdicketh · 20/05/2025 17:29

froggola · 19/05/2025 12:21

I don’t know if it’s over subscribed. So I should contact the school or the council and tell them?

Why don't you just be honest because say if your son has a few days off and nursery turn up they will be even more concerned my daughters nursery in bham do home visits before nursery start n if she has had days off

rb124 · 20/05/2025 17:38

TallulahBetty · 19/05/2025 12:19

Hold on, why would the nursery place show that you live out of borough? My DD went to a nursery the other side of town, as that was where we both worked at the time. No one ever questioned it.

With the pressure on School Places, Councils have cracked down on this a lot. I'm guessing they're suspicious which is why they want to do a home visit While it is Fraud - you are gaining an advantage by lying - chances are the worst that will happen is that your application will be cancelled.

Motheroffive999 · 20/05/2025 17:48

Just move in now 😁

SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 17:58

Mummyto7lovelife · 20/05/2025 17:18

How confusing for the child why aren't you together? Are you claiming benefits separately also?

Op has stated she doesn’t claim benefits.

HeidiHunter · 20/05/2025 18:02

Just move in early...sorted. It's the address you're at when he starts school, which is meeting what the substance of the catchment area rule is.