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Failing the phonics screening

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Falcon1 · 25/02/2022 16:49

I've just been informed by DD's school (because I asked) that she only got 21 out of 40 in her phonics screening in December. The pass mark was 32. She is Year 2 (the test was delayed due to covid). She's below expectations in reading and writing and really hates/struggles with reading. Her spelling seems to suggest a lack of basic phonic knowledge. For instance, she recently spelt favourite as 'fafrt' and colour as 'coley'. My question is, is this score (and her struggles) indicative of something like dyslexia, or could she just be a bit of a late developer? I've been concerned about her progress since reception but I keep being told not to worry, lockdown has had an impact on their learning, she'll get it eventually etc etc. The school said they categorically do not support dyslexia assessments as the council won't fund them. I listen to her read every day (which is like pulling teeth as she hates it so much) and I read to her a different book at bedtime, and always have done. We have a reading chest subscription, play phonics games and do Reading Eggs (which she also hates). It just doesn't seem to be sinking in.

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Newnamemsz · 05/03/2022 19:57

@Feenie

They were doing what they are supposed to do

They couldn’t possibly have been teaching phonics effectively - or they wouldn’t have had non-readers in Y3!

Exactly!
ancientgran · 06/03/2022 12:17

@Feenie

They were doing what they are supposed to do

They couldn’t possibly have been teaching phonics effectively - or they wouldn’t have had non-readers in Y3!

28 kids were reading well, was that magic?

Have you seriously never met a child who has failed at something and is reluctant to engage. I'm amazed as I think it is a common reaction.

Feenie · 06/03/2022 12:42

No, I don’t have Y3 children who have failed at reading and are reluctant to engage. I’m sorry you think that’s a common reaction and I’m sorry that happened to your grandson. I’m not the only school though - there will be other teachers on this thread who don’t either, because they teach phonics effectively.

I think I’m more surprised - and sad - that you think that’s normal. That’s awful. 😢

Folicky · 06/03/2022 13:44

They can change and develop so much between years

Feenie · 07/03/2022 18:57

Blog by the excellent Ann Sullivan which challenges and explains why every myth on this thread is not true:

www.phonicsforpupilswithspecialeducationalneeds.com/post/can-all-children-learn-to-read-with-phonics

TeenPlusCat · 07/03/2022 19:16

I'm a great believer in phonics.

I don't know how my DD1 (now 22) was taught to read (adopted age 8), but it doesn't seem to have been phonics. She was pretty well incapable of pronouncing new words she came across until I taught her phonics when we realised she couldn't do her sister's RWI cards.

My DD2 on the other hand had proper phonics teaching RWI at school and home. No guessing from letter starts or picture clues etc. She learned to read well which unfortunately possibly camouflaged that she may well have dyslexia

Newnamemsz · 07/03/2022 19:39

[quote Feenie]Blog by the excellent Ann Sullivan which challenges and explains why every myth on this thread is not true:

www.phonicsforpupilswithspecialeducationalneeds.com/post/can-all-children-learn-to-read-with-phonics[/quote]
This!

chipshopElvis · 07/03/2022 19:57

If you can afford it get a private assessment with an educational psychologist and don't let school tell you not to. Our LEA has the same policy that dyslexia doesn't need to be "diagnosed" because the treatment is the same. I've been worried about my dd since she was 5 and she had next to no help. I made a big fuss in Year 5 after exhausting all avenues and they finally assessed her but by this point she hated school and was miserable learning. The assessment was really, really useful and identified all the areas of struggle with useful strategies to help her. I should have listened to myself and got it done much sooner.

TeenPlusCat · 08/03/2022 07:19

chip If that is aimed at me we have a dyslexia/dyspraxia assessment booked for Easter. I'd better not tell you how old she is now though she's at college

Newnamemsz · 08/03/2022 12:23

Does she still struggle with reading and spelling?

TeenPlusCat · 08/03/2022 12:55

@Newnamemsz

Does she still struggle with reading and spelling?
If that's my DD you are asking about, then yes. Large paragraphs of text jump around, spelling is innovative.
mathanxiety · 09/03/2022 05:01

But that simply doesn’t happen where phonics is taught properly...
(i.e. children of 4, 5, and 6 not learning to read with phonics).

Phonics as originally conceived and researched as a means of teaching children to read in English involved research on children older than 4 and 5.

It's not at all surprising that it isn't always effective.

Feenie · 09/03/2022 06:32

Clackmannanshire involved 300 children in Primary 1.

I don’t think even you know what your point is there, mathanxiety.

Feenie · 09/03/2022 06:35

Probably is a surprise to some parents. The fact that it still is to some teachers is deeply concerning.

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AuntieStella · 09/03/2022 07:50

Phonics as originally conceived and researched as a means of teaching children to read in English involved research on children older than 4 and 5

Phonics has been around since the mists of time - it's the old traditional way.

Do you mean 'some phonics schemes were targeted at particular age groups?'

Newnamemsz · 09/03/2022 12:26

@mathanxiety

But that simply doesn’t happen where phonics is taught properly... (i.e. children of 4, 5, and 6 not learning to read with phonics).

Phonics as originally conceived and researched as a means of teaching children to read in English involved research on children older than 4 and 5.

It's not at all surprising that it isn't always effective.

The findings of the NRP shows that SSP is effective for the youngest children
Failing the phonics screening
Newnamemsz · 09/03/2022 12:32

@mathanxiety

But that simply doesn’t happen where phonics is taught properly... (i.e. children of 4, 5, and 6 not learning to read with phonics).

Phonics as originally conceived and researched as a means of teaching children to read in English involved research on children older than 4 and 5.

It's not at all surprising that it isn't always effective.

The Clackmannanshire research was conducted with children in Primary 1 (age 4-5 years)
stayingaliveisawayoflife · 10/03/2022 06:57

I'm not sure how I feel about all this to be honest. I teach a structured phonics scheme daily and I teach it well. I also do catch up sessions for my group of strugglers. Within that group two still cannot blend. They both have speech and language issues and are on the list for the Ed psych. The others in the group now know all their sounds in phase 2 and are starting to blend independently and I am so proud of them. The two that are struggling cannot although they have had the same input. I'm just not sure how I feel about a statement such as all children can learn to read from good teaching of phonics that does not recognise additional needs the child may have that is making it much more difficult for them.

Newnamemsz · 10/03/2022 07:38

I don't think anyone has suggested that it isn't more difficult for some children to learn to read but that doesn't mean they need something different (teach then inefficient strategies weak readers resort to as this will condemn them to be weak readerst) just that they need more time than their peers.

stayingaliveisawayoflife · 10/03/2022 08:09

I agree with that but I don't think it is helpful for blank comments such as year 3 children not reading is purely down to poor teaching without any acknowledgement that additional needs do play a role. I don't think it is helpful to teachers doing their best to be described in this way.

Newnamemsz · 10/03/2022 08:40

I'm not sure how old the children are that you teach but I'm assuming from "Phase2" you're talking about reception children which means they have two and a half years of learning before they enter Y3. Lots of timer for them to become readers.

mathanxiety · 11/03/2022 04:17

bera-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/rev3.3314

Reading wars or reading reconciliation? A critical examination of robust research evidence, curriculum policy and teachers' practices for teaching phonics and reading
Article by Dominic Wyse and Alice Bradbury, UCL.
2021

Our findings from analysis of tertiary reviews, systematic reviews and from the SQMS do not support a synthetic phonics orientation to the teaching of reading: they suggest that a balanced instruction approach is most likely to be successful. They also suggest the need for a new more careful consideration of the strengths and weaknesses of whole language as an orientation to teaching reading. The reading wars have often resulted in some very dismissive attitudes to whole language, a position that is not underpinned by the research.

This is recent research that appears to contradict the assertions of Feenie et al.

mathanxiety · 11/03/2022 04:18

Clackmannanshire wasn't the first research into phonics. It was preceded by many years of research in the US.

mathanxiety · 11/03/2022 04:23

@AuntieStella - there is no evidence to suggest that teaching reading early (age 4) has any benefit to later performance.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20220228-the-best-age-for-learning-to-read

The one benefit of a school environment for children this age is socialisation.

@Newnamemsz, the NRP findings are directly contradicted by the research of Wyse and Bradbury.

Newnamemsz · 11/03/2022 06:13

Wyse and Bradbury's findings are deeply flawed and widely criticised.

One: The selective review of literature
First, it is hard to imagine how the authors can justify not referring to these highly relevant papers:
1 Machin, Stephen, McNally, S. & Viarengo, M. (2018). Changing how literacy is taught: Evidence on synthetic phonics. American Economic Journal: Economic Policy, 10(2), 217-41.
2 Rhona Stainthorp (2020). A national intervention in teaching phonics: A case study from England. The Educational and Developmental Psychologist, 37, 114-122.
3 Kit S. Double, McGrane, J.A., Stiff, J.C., & Hopfenbeck, T.N. (2019). The importance of early phonics improvements for predicting later reading comprehension. British Educational Research Journal, 45, 1220–1234.
There are probably some others that I have temporarily forgotten, but these three outstanding papers are directly relevant to the topic of Wyse and Bradbury’s paper.
Stainthorp (2020) is literally about the impact of literacy policies in England over the time period in question. It is published in the same issue of the same journal as another paper cited by Wyse and Bradbury (Solity, 2020 – which is also very good, by the way). However, Stainthorp (2020), Machin et al. (2018) ,and Double et al. (2019) all come to the conclusion that synthetic phonics has had an overall positive impact on reading outcomes in England.
To add insult to injury, Wyse and Bradbury give great credence to the work of Jeffrey Bowers, whose position on phonics instruction is in complete opposition to the rest of the scientific reading research community, and who admits he “is not so familiar with PA [phonemic awareness] research or practice”. Bowers is not Galileo, he just gets it wrong on phonics. Wyse and Bradbury mention the critique of Bowers’ work by Fletcher et al. (2020) but disregard it. I also wrote an article in the same journal as Stainthorp (2020). You guessed it, I came to the conclusion the evidence supports systematic, synthetic phonics.
Second, the selection of studies for the ‘systematic qualitative meta-synthesis’ needs to be brought to light. The studies deemed worthy of providing useful evidence about synthetic phonics came down to just eight in the final selection. The studies were drawn only from reviews by Bowers (2020) and/or Torgerson (2019), putting a lot of faith in these authors. Wyse and Bradbury further refined the list by excluding any study that did not include a measure of reading comprehension. Their rationale is that the ultimate goal of reading instruction is comprehension so it is the only measure worth knowing. However, this ignores two important points: Distal measures will always be weaker than proximal measures. Yes, if students can decode, they are more likely to be able to comprehend but there are other factors that mediate the relationship and these variables are often omitted in analyses. In addition, reading comprehension measures are enormously variable and unreliable, especially among young children. Depending entirely on reading comprehension measures is not a sound decision but, even so, many studies of reading programs that include phonics find improvements in comprehension.
Due to the very narrow (and, dare I say, not very systematic) method of selecting studies to review, one of the most important, and certainly most influential, studies of synthetic phonics instruction was left out – the ‘Clackmannanshire’ study in Scotland. It meets all the criteria set by Wyse and Bradbury: “longitudinal design, sample of typically developing, readers, and reading comprehension measure” (p. 30). You guessed it again: the Clackmannanshire study found resounding positive results in favour of synthetic phonics instruction.

Two: The inconsistencies in the arguments
It is naïve to think that if something is in a national education policy document, that is what all teachers do.
Policy does not equal practice. We know this from the Year 1 Phonics Screening Check. Despite synthetic phonics having been in the literacy policy since 2007, in the first national implementation of the Year 1 Phonics Check in 2012, only 58% of students achieved the expected score. In subsequent years, when more teachers actually started teaching phonics effectively, the percentages of children achieving at or above the benchmark Year 1 phonics score increased steadily.
Wyse and Bradbury’s own survey proves that policy does not equal practice. Even though synthetic phonics is mandated policy, and the Wyse and Bradbury paper seems make the case that synthetic phonics is the scourge of English society, only 66% of Reception and Year 1 teachers said that synthetic phonics is the main approach they use to teach phonics.
The paper says the 634 survey participants were recruited “via the network of affiliates of the authors’ research centre, and the networks of the affiliates, and via social media” (p. 31) but doesn’t attempt to demonstrate that they are a representative sample, so it is hard to know how much confidence to put in these findings, but the fact remains that Wyse and Bradbury’s own data do not support their contention.
Further weakening the findings, Wyse and Bradbury change the survey question in their conclusions to be all-encompassing. In the body of the paper, the survey question is given as “How would you describe your main approach to teaching phonics?”. In the conclusion, they state that “The findings from the survey reported in this paper showed that synthetic phonics first and foremost is the dominant approach to teaching reading in England”. (My emphasis). If one in three teachers say they are not even using synthetic phonics as their main approach to teaching phonics, it’s a giant leap to say it’s the dominant approach to teaching reading.

Three: They don’t seem to know what synthetic phonics is
There are numerous points throughout Wyse and Bradbury (2021) where I could take issue with the characterisation of synthetic phonics. Skipping to the point, the main problem is that they don’t acknowledge that it has never been advocated anywhere, in any policy document, or in any report or research paper, that synthetic phonics should be done in a meaning vacuum. Everyone who advocates for the use of synthetic phonics based on scientific research takes great pains to emphasise this.
The Rose report, which kickstarted the synthetic phonics implementation in England, could not have been clearer, saying: “In sum, distinguishing the key features associated with word recognition and focusing upon what this means for the teaching of phonic work does not diminish the equal, and eventually greater, importance of developing language comprehension. This is because phonic work should be time limited, whereas work on comprehension continues throughout life. Language comprehension, developed, for example, through discourse and a wide range of good fiction and non-fiction, discussing characters, story content, and interesting events, is wholly compatible with and dependent upon introducing a systematic programme of high quality phonic work.” (Rose, 2006, p. 39). Sir Jim Rose, with the patience and civility of a saint, has repeated and expanded on this in various eloquent ways on countless occasions.
Yet, throughout the paper, synthetic phonics is portrayed as being about something other than reading, as though being able to accurately read words gets in the way of real reading. Elsewhere in the paper, though, Wyse and Bradbury say, “there remains no doubt that phonics teaching in general is one important component in the teaching of reading” (p. 41), but confusingly “the research certainly does not suggest the complete exclusion of whole language teaching”. They seem to think that these two approaches are reconcilable, whereas phonics instruction is anathema to the philosophy and practice of whole language. Whole language does not mean including a variety of texts and literature in reading instruction. Everyone agrees that is good. Whole language is an ideology and philosophy that unambiguously eschews explicit teaching of the alphabetic code. You can’t just take a little from Column A and a little from Column B call it ‘contextualised teaching of reading’ and claim that it’s evidence-based (p.42). That’s the sort of thing that has led to our current rates of entrenched illiteracy.
Perhaps the strongest indication that Wyse and Bradbury don’t have a good understanding of synthetic phonics is the way they describe the intervention used in studies by Vadasy and Sanders (2012):
“Students assigned to treatment received individual systematic and explicit phonics tutoring instruction in English, which included letter-sound correspondences, phonemic decoding, spelling, and assisted oral reading practice in decodable texts. … In a typical tutoring session, paraeducators spent 20 min on phonics activities and 10 min scaffolding students’ oral reading practice in decodable texts.” (Vadasy and Sanders, 2012, p. 990)
This description of instruction is straight-down-the-line synthetic phonics. However, according to Wyse and Bradbury, “These interventions are best described as balanced instruction orientation” (p.36). This misconstrual of what is the central plank of the paper places a big crack in its credibility.

Four: The muddled analysis of international assessments and curricula
A few key points:
• Comparisons of PISA and PIRLS rankings are meaningless. The number of countries participating in these assessments change with each cycle, so a country’s ranking can theoretically go down even if its scores stay the same or even improve. Nonetheless, research by Double et al. (2019) (not cited in the Wyse and Bradbury paper) found that performance on the Year 1 Phonics Check is a strong predictor of PIRLS performance.
• Attempts to draw a straight line between the introduction of early reading policies and national average scores on international assessments are inevitably tenuous. Wyse and Bradbury admit that there are positive correlations between PIRLS performance and periods in which there was a policy emphasis on phonics (p. 25). But they argue that PISA is a more valid source for their purposes because it has a longer time span, which is debatable. Phonics instruction policies affecting Reception and Year 1 will only have a discernible flow-on effect to PISA scores ten years later if a) phonics instruction is high quality, and b) the broader program of literacy teaching both in Reception and Year 1, and in subsequent years, is also of high quality. Good synthetic phonics instruction will get more children out of the blocks than would have been the case otherwise (in Kareem Weaver’s great metaphor) but it can’t guarantee they’ll finish the race, especially if its a marathon. Even if we did think PISA scores at age 15 were a fair test of synthetic phonics instruction at age 5, we would have to wait until at least PISA 2024 because that will be the first cohort of students who performed well in the Year 1 Phonics Check, and who we can more reasonably assume have benefited from good synthetic phonics instruction.
• Wyse and Bradbury provide inconsistent interpretations of the research. In the discussion and conclusions of the paper, they say: “Our analyses of the PISA data suggest that teaching reading in England has been less successful since the introduction of more emphasis on synthetic phonics” (p. 43), but in the body of the paper they state “The PISA assessments and their reports provide an important international context for the reading debates, and a wealth of data for further analyses and, as we have shown, some correlations suggest an advantage for whole language orientation to the teaching of reading, but in the end they are not a sufficient way of determining which approaches to the teaching of phonics and reading are most effective in a curriculum”(my emphasis) (p. 28). Which is it?
• Trivial but irksome mistake: “Australia has not reported state level outcomes in PISA or PIRLS.” (p. 13). Not true: PISA 2018 PIRLS 2016
• For a much better analysis of the relationship between phonics instruction and England’s national and international test scores, see Stainthorp (2020), some of which is summarised here if you can’t get access. See also the insightful policy analysis by Tim Mills.
Hopefully the Wyse and Bradley paper will not cause too much damage and disruption to the growing adoption of synthetic phonics as part of evidence-based reading instruction that is leading to better reading outcomes in England, Australia and elsewhere.

For me the big red lights from the Wyse and Bradbury study is the apparent lack of knowledge of how phonics is taught and the use of affiliated teachers/schools rather than looking at a wider and more diverse base.

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