Yr1 PE not at expected level

[SleepingStandingUp]

Can anyone tell me roughly what you'd need to be able to do to be at expected level in PE for the end of year 1?? I've looked online but it seems all quote vague. Had school report today and he's below expected level

I would expect an NT 6yo to be able to hop and skip tbh. My DS has physical issues that were undiagnosed at this age and he could definitely hop before he went to school. Look up some exercises to work on his core strength and play things like hopscotch over the summer to support his development.

yy gymnastics will help; also agree to working on riding a bike, again, many 6yos can do this (tho by no means all).

You say I'm bemused at the idea of failing PE at 6 but it's a good thing I think if it is flagged up. Some less aware parents might not know their child was not where they should be in terms of gross motor skills.

Have an active summer with lots of park visits, bike rides, ball games and swimming. When you get a chance to chat to the PE teacher, enquire about things you can do at home to support your child in their physical development. Would he enjoy tennis lessons?

Well I'm bemused at the concept of it being failable at 6 o guess because I'd have thought as long as they were moving around and engaging that would be enough.

@SleepingStandingUp

Well I'm bemused at the concept of it being failable at 6 o guess because I'd have thought as long as they were moving around and engaging that would be enough.

Don't you see though that's a bit like saying that if a child is looking at books it doesn't matter if they can't read yet? It's great that he is moving and engaging, and you sound like an interested and engaged parent who will support him, but if he can't really hop or skip or ride a bike at 6+ then he is not where the majority of children will be in terms of core strength and balance and coordination, all of which are important in life (not just for Olympic champions either). I am not saying he has any serious issues of course but it's helpful IMO if things are flagged up as soon as possible.

@clary he could hop a couple but would put both feet down after a couple I think. Skipping along the pavement or jump rope? The former, his feet aren't coordinated enough to always walk without falling over. Let alone them doing something that requires rhythm. Jump rope I think he'd struggle to anticipate when to jump

@RAOK he might enjoy tennis, o imagine he'd struggle hitting the ball and frankly o can afford a third activity either physically or mentally.

By skipping I mean skipping along, yes. So I do realise that this is not something that every child will want to do all day long - but if they don't have the balance and coordination to get close to it at 6, it may be a cause for concern in general.

If he really can't walk without falling over then I would be pushing for some kind of assessment. It does soung from your posts tho as if you are aware of his issues (was he very prem perhaps?) so I may be telling you what you already know, in which case apologies.

sorry that was a bit glib about him walking. He's got much better but he's fully capable of falling overs on nothing. I've only had his head glued once 🙄 but we joke his long fringe is to hide the bruises. He wasn't very good at saving himself. I don't get bump letters nearly as often, and more likely for hands and knees.

Not terribly prem, but v poorly. His lack of core strength is partly due I think to over half a dozen abdo surgeries in the first 18 months.

I'm going to make him skip to school tomorrow and watch him. Maybe I'm not giving credit where's it's due.

It sounds like you are doing all the right things and he has various physical activities he's busy with that he enjoys which is the main thing. I wouldn't make too big a deal of things like ball skills or riding a bike which maybe need greater coordination to succeed. It is great you are seeing an OT. Hopefully you can see them in real life soon and maybe get something more definitive and some good strategies. There would be lots of things going on. My DS wasn't diagnosed with dyspraxia (I think he was on the way to it!) but he is hypermobile and has low tone. I hadn't spotted the hypermobility as it doesn't affect all parts of the body equally. He's great at things like martial arts and swimming. Not so good at team ball games.

There could be not would be - meant to say.

Age related is going to be. based on eldesy so yes being jul it is always going to be harder to meet. Though i expect the level in pe is lower than many other subjects.
Also when dd pe teacher was off she actually got some sort of effort star. And it may well be that her main year teacher grades pe rather than the pe teacher.
It actually sounds like he is going well considering his challenges.

What happens re disabled kids for pe

@SleepingStandingUp

Well I'm bemused at the concept of it being failable at 6 o guess because I'd have thought as long as they were moving around and engaging that would be enough.

I think you are being very disengenous. Children "moving around and engaging"?!

You sound as though you think PE is beneath you and you don't have to try at it and now bemused that your ds, who has motor issues and can't hop or kick a ball, should be just handed a "passing grade" because he can move around!

Im not really sure how PE is beneath us, id just not given much thought to the PE curriculum so young. Obv ince they're older they're expected to do certain stuff but i thought PE for 5 and 6 year olds would be about being a team player, working together, generally being willing to participate. I can see how certain kids in his class would def get above expected but i didn't realise the yr1 curriculum would be specific.

Not understanding something and asking for clarity because you acknowledge you don't understand isnt being superior or saying that its below you.

What happens re disabled kids for pe like any other lesson school would be expected to adapt so the child can engage with it.

It actually sounds like he is going well considering his challenges he is and he enjoys PE so that's a win for us. It's one of the subjects where he tells me the good bits not the bad which os why i underestimated the throwing a ball behind them and catching it, hopping for X time etc.

I can see how certain kids in his class would def get above expected

I expect the vast majority get the middle grade - as expected.

Being a team player is great and being willing to participate is the bare minimum. I'm still amazed you didn't think the PE grades would be about how physically developed they are.

I just think they're really young and i don't have many other kids physical skills to go by.
So o get that child X who is always doing cartwheels and flips and wins all the sports challenge is ahead of the curve but i hadn't given much thought to what was behind the curve. Hence asking.

I didn't start a thread saying how dare they fail him when he runs around a lot, i asked what the criteria was so we could they to catch up.

How asking so we can catch up translates to it being beneath us i dont know

I think you should be thinking in terms of on the curve rather than beyond it. You've had loads of ideas here. Obviously if he is dyspraxic his own personal challenges will be what you need to concentrate on.

To me, your posts read as wow my ds failed PE! I thought at this age if they moved about and joined in that would be all that's needed.

That is the same as saying if they pick up books and tidy the library they should be at the right level for their age for reading.

I have actually agreed i underestimated the depth of the curriculum HENCE THE THREAD ASKING WHAT HE'S EXPECTED TO DO.

I have had great ideas and am googling swing balls. I loved mine as a kid.

The underpinning of sport is team work and physicality. The underpinning of reading is opening a book and turning pages. At a young enough age these will be enough to be able appropriate ie nursery for reading. I have said repeatedly that i underestimated what they needed on year 1 HENCE THE THREAD but now we know he's not where he should be by law of averageness, we'll work on that as a priority

I think you should be thinking in terms of on the curve rather than beyond it and yes, id like him to be approaching average, not expecting him to be beyond it. I enjoyed PE but was only ever average and DH isn't particularly sporty so happy, fit and expected level is fine

@SleepingStandingUp Please don’t worry, it might help if you realise that being assessed as below expected level in school PE is not the same as being poor at sport or having physical problems.

The teacher can only assess based on what they have seen - with multiple lockdowns, they will have limited evidence.

Also this is a perennial problem with PE - the criteria mean that some skills and abilities are emphasised over others eg an elite junior gymnast or martial artist will be unlikely to measure average/above average at PE as team sports, ball sports and field sports are the focus.

[quote NameChange2PostThis]@SleepingStandingUp Please don’t worry, it might help if you realise that being assessed as below expected level in school PE is not the same as being poor at sport or having physical problems.

The teacher can only assess based on what they have seen - with multiple lockdowns, they will have limited evidence.

Also this is a perennial problem with PE - the criteria mean that some skills and abilities are emphasised over others eg an elite junior gymnast or martial artist will be unlikely to measure average/above average at PE as team sports, ball sports and field sports are the focus.[/quote]
An elite junior gymnast will almost certainly not be average at PE in year 1
I've known plenty and the prioperception needed means they are almost certainly above average in all areas of physicality. Ball sports are a part of the assessment but not the major part of it.

Well term is over for 51 days so ill worry about it then. Meanwhile were just going to try and have an active fun summer. Thank you for the helpful contributions and suggestions

Plenty of children will get 'working towards' in most areas (my dd was one).

We need to switch our mentally from fail, pass, excel to needs greater support, needs support, needs challenge.

It sounds like you have a bright child OP, and you've worked hard to support him.

We finally got dc2 reception report. And they only got met for physical development. (Can swim, cycle, run etc) they were climbing the climbibg wall from 18m old etc. Sometimes the teacher does just tick a random box is all i can conclude.
It is true that some kids have had an extra 3/4 of a year at school inthe last 2 which is extra playground time etc too.