Falkner house girls

[Lolakath19]

Hi all,
does anyone know how FHG year 6 results look like this year?

Thanks a lot

Re. the Year 6 exit results that are being discussed here, and on another thread (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/4151955-Glendower-vs-Pembridge-vs-Ken-Prep-vs-Falkner), I have done some analysis. Some of the schools’ publishing formats are more transparent than others. Please do correct me, if my understanding of any of the below is incorrect. Of course, acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools, and numbers of SPGS offers, are but two metrics, of many. I have had to take out a lot of the data, as the formatting is skewed, when posted here.
As others have said, Kensington Prep’s 2021 results have yet to be published, and Bute House’s results are only available to parents of pupils, who view the 11+ results on the parents’ area of their website.

In alphabetical order:
Bute House (www.butehouse.co.uk/moving-on/senior-school-results.html):
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 6? offers;
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 10? offers;
SPGS: 2021 - 13? offers.

Bute House acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
Can’t compare like-for-like, with the other preps, unless someone can confirm the acceptances vs. the offers?
Bute House SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 23 (out of 60? girls) = 38%;
2019 - 12-14? (out of 60? girls) = 23% - this is an estimate, as the school stopped reporting results publicly;
2020 - 15? (out of 61? girls) = 25% - estimate;
2021 - 13? (out of 60? girls) = 22%.

Falkner House (www.falknerhouse.co.uk/brechin-place/about-us/after-falkner-house/):
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 11 offers (5);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 8 offers (3);
SPGS: 2021 - 5 offers (5).

Falkner House acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 14 (out of 19? girls) = 74%;
2019 - 16 (out of 22? girls) = 73%;
2020 - 11 (out of 22? girls) = 50%;
2021 - 13 (out of 21? girls) = 62%.
Falkner House SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6 (out of 19? girls) = 32%;
2019 - 11 (out of 22? girls) = 50%;
2020 - 7 (out of 22? girls) = 32%;
2021 - 5 (out of 21? girls) = 24%.

Glendower (www.glendowerprep.org/moving-on/results/):
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 15 offers (5);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 12 offers (4);
SPGS: 2021 - 7 offers (5).
*For 2018-2020, Glendower only published acceptances.

Glendower acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 13 (out of 30 girls) = 43%;
2019 - 13 (out of 26 girls) = 50%;
2020 - 12 (out of 36 girls) = 33%;
2021 - 14 (out of 32 girls) = 44%.
Glendower SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6 (out of 30 girls) = 20%;
2019 - 7 (out of 26 girls) = 27%;
2020 - 3 (out of 36 girls) = 8%;
2021 - 7 (out of 32 girls) = 22%.

Kensington Prep (www.kensingtonprep.gdst.net/about/senior-school-places/):
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - n/a;
Latymer Upper: 2021 - n/a;
SPGS: 2021 - n/a.

Kensington Prep acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 4 (out of 41? girls) = 10%;
2019 - 14 (out of 39? girls) = 36%;
2020 - 13 (out of 37? girls) = 35%;
2021 - ? (out of ? girls) = ?%.
Kensington Prep SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 4 (out of 41? girls) = 10%;
2019 - 7 (out of 39? girls) = 18%;
2020 - 6 (out of 37? girls) = 16%;
2021 - ? (out of ? girls) = ?%.

Pembridge Hall (www.pembridgehall.co.uk/senior-school-transition/):
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 15 offers (6);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 15 offers (4);
SPGS: 2021 - 8 offers (7).
*For 2019-2020, Pembridge Hall only published acceptances; 2018 results aren’t available on their website.
**Pembridge Hall is non-selective.

Pembridge Hall acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2019 - 15 (out of 56? girls) = 27%;
2020 - 14 (out of 54? girls) = 26%;
2021 - 17 (out of 54? girls) = 31%.
Pembridge Hall SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6? (out of 56? girls) = 11%;
2019 - 2 (out of 56? girls) = 4%;
2020 - 3 (out of 54? girls) = 6%;
2021 - 8 (out of 54? girls) = 15%.

I should have said that I got the information on Bute from both this thread, for this year’s offers, and the following website, for previous years’ Bute/SPGS offers: www.londonpreprep.com/2020/07/st-pauls-girls-school-feeder/ and www.londonpreprep.com/2019/03/11-results-2019-london-prep-schools/.

I pulled the above stats together, as I was interested in the following comments, in this thread, re. Bute, and how they compared to the overall picture: ‘That is about half the year group staying in Hammersmith’ / ‘Half of the class of 60 ends up in the top Hammersmith schools’.
It would be interesting to have the historical information for Bute, as we can see that, over the last four years, Falkner House’s acceptances, across the three Hammersmith senior schools, has been 74%, 73%, 50% and 62% of the year groups, respectively.

As I have this information to hand, and with all the caveats that should go with it, SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018
Bute House: 23 girls / 38%;
Falkner House: 6 girls / 32%;
Glendower: 6 girls / 20%;
Pembridge Hall: 6? girls / 11%;
Kensington Prep: 4 girls / 10%.
Total: 45 girls

2019
Falkner House: 11 girls / 50%;
Glendower: 7 girls / 27%;
Bute House: 12-14? girls / 23%;
Kensington Prep: 7 girls / 18%;
Pembridge Hall: 2 girls / 4%.
Total: 40? girls

2020
Falkner House: 7 girls / 32%;
Bute House: 15? girls / 25%;
Kensington Prep: 6 girls / 16%;
Glendower: 3 girls / 8%;
Pembridge Hall: 3 girls / 6%.
Total: 34 girls

2021
Falkner House: 5 girls / 24%;
Bute House: 13? girls / 22%;
Glendower: 7 girls / 22%;
Pembridge Hall: 8 girls / 15%;
Kensington Prep: ? girls / ?%.
Total: 33 girls + KP
*If the 2021 figures for Bute are correct, and with the Ken Prep results still to come.

Thus far, there really isn’t anything of note in this year’s results.

@sanam2019, re. Bute and Ken Prep, alone, making-up ‘almost 30% of the SPGS intake this year’, for this to be the case, Ken Prep’s results would need to be around 14-17 girls - a significant increase on previous years.

Bute results are as follows:
Out of 61 in the year
For Hammersmith schools 29/61 accepted:
15 offers to SPGS, 13 accepted
29 offers to G&L, 6 accepted
29 offers to LU, 10 accepted
However also popular this year with multiple offers/acceptances: FHSS, NHEHS, PHS, and Wycombe Abbey amongst others.

Londonmum, thanks so much for all the calculations, interesting reading. You are a little high on your % for Pembridge, there are 56 girls in the year so the SPG % is more like 12%. Just to give some colour, it was a bright year at PH but the very different assessment at SPG, without the detailed written paper definitely played a part in helping boost numbers. Last year at PH over 15 girls got through the first stage of the assessment but only 3 got offers.

@Savanta & @Hitoyou, thank you both so much for the really helpful additional information - I have updated the data, below.
Apologies - I know that it’s a lot of information in one post; it would be a lot better if I could just attach it in a document!
One would wonder why Bute stopped reporting results publicly, especially, when they can be pieced together anecdotally. Surely, a definitive publishing of the results would be in their interests. Hey ho!

Bute House www.butehouse.co.uk/moving-on/senior-school-results.html
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 29 offers (6);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 29 offers (10);
SPGS: 2021 - 15 offers (13).

Bute House acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2021 - 29 (out of 61 girls) = 48%.
*Can’t compare like-for-like, with the other preps, as 2018-2020 data needed for Bute House.

Bute House SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 23 (out of 60? girls) = 38%;
2019 - 12-14? (out of 60? girls) = 23% - this is an estimate, as the school stopped reporting results publicly;
2020 - 15? (out of 61? girls) = 25% - estimate;
2021 - 13 (out of 61 girls) = 21%.

Falkner House www.falknerhouse.co.uk/brechin-place/about-us/after-falkner-house/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 11 offers (5);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 8 offers (3);
SPGS: 2021 - 5 offers (5).

Falkner House acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 14 (out of 19? girls) = 74%;
2019 - 16 (out of 22? girls) = 73%;
2020 - 11 (out of 22? girls) = 50%;
2021 - 13 (out of 21? girls) = 62%.
Falkner House SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6 (out of 19? girls) = 32%;
2019 - 11 (out of 22? girls) = 50%;
2020 - 7 (out of 22? girls) = 32%;
2021 - 5 (out of 21? girls) = 24%.

Glendower www.glendowerprep.org/moving-on/results/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 15 offers (5);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 12 offers (4);
SPGS: 2021 - 7 offers (5).
*For 2018-2020, Glendower only published acceptances.

Glendower acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 13 (out of 30 girls) = 43%;
2019 - 13 (out of 26 girls) = 50%;
2020 - 12 (out of 36 girls) = 33%;
2021 - 14 (out of 32 girls) = 44%.
Glendower SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6 (out of 30 girls) = 20%;
2019 - 7 (out of 26 girls) = 27%;
2020 - 3 (out of 36 girls) = 8%;
2021 - 7 (out of 32 girls) = 22%.

Kensington Prep www.kensingtonprep.gdst.net/about/senior-school-places/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - n/a;
Latymer Upper: 2021 - n/a;
SPGS: 2021 - n/a.

Kensington Prep acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 4 (out of 41? girls) = 10%;
2019 - 14 (out of 39? girls) = 36%;
2020 - 13 (out of 37? girls) = 35%;
2021 - ? (out of ? girls) = ?%.
Kensington Prep SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 4 (out of 41? girls) = 10%;
2019 - 7 (out of 39? girls) = 18%;
2020 - 6 (out of 37? girls) = 16%;
2021 - ? (out of ? girls) = ?%.

Pembridge Hall www.pembridgehall.co.uk/senior-school-transition/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 15 offers (6);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 15 offers (4);
SPGS: 2021 - 8 offers (7).
*For 2019-2020, Pembridge Hall only published acceptances; 2018 results aren’t available on their website.
**Pembridge Hall is non-selective.

Pembridge Hall acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2019 - 15 (out of 56? girls) = 27%;
2020 - 14 (out of 54? girls) = 26%;
2021 - 17 (out of 56 girls) = 30%.
Pembridge Hall SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6? (out of 56? girls) = 11%;
2019 - 2 (out of 56? girls) = 4%;
2020 - 3 (out of 54? girls) = 6%;
2021 - 8 (out of 56 girls) = 14%.

Acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2021
Falkner House: 13 girls / 62%;
Bute House: 29 girls / 48%;
Glendower: 14 girls / 44%;
Pembridge Hall: 17 girls / 30%;
Kensington Prep: ? girls / ?%.

SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018
Bute House: 23 girls / 38%;
Falkner House: 6 girls / 32%;
Glendower: 6 girls / 20%;
Pembridge Hall: 6? girls / 11%;
Kensington Prep: 4 girls / 10%.
Total: 45 girls

2019
Falkner House: 11 girls / 50%;
Glendower: 7 girls / 27%;
Bute House: 12-14? girls / 23%;
Kensington Prep: 7 girls / 18%;
Pembridge Hall: 2 girls / 4%.
Total: 40? girls

2020
Falkner House: 7 girls / 32%;
Bute House: 15? girls / 25%;
Kensington Prep: 6 girls / 16%;
Glendower: 3 girls / 8%;
Pembridge Hall: 3 girls / 6%.
Total: 34 girls

2021
Falkner House: 5 girls / 24%;
Glendower: 7 girls / 22%;
Bute House: 13 girls / 21%;
Pembridge Hall: 8 girls / 14%;
Kensington Prep: ? girls / ?%.
Total: 33 girls + KP

Bute has stopped reporting the results in the same ways they used to in the year when SPGS offers dropped from 23 to 13....
And there was quite clearly a shift in the results over the years since the previous HM left. And the current (now outgoing) HM was different in her focus.
She changed the school in many great ways - certainly there is now more art and drama. But academically - results while still strong, they aren’t what they used to be. I am not saying it as a judgement - more stating a fact.

I think the comparison of these schools based on the exit results is a bit limited. It just shows that the girls have been "selected" at reception (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias). It shows the high correlation between abilities at 5y old and at 11+.

If your girl is academic she will end up in SPGS or get at least GL. She needs to be in a school to receive 11+ preparation and needs to be happy going to school.

@LondonMum24
It would be great to gather some feedback on happiness in these schools.

@Weah

Thing is - none of these schools are run by Mrs Trunchbull. They are all normal schools where you can find happy and less happy percents. So much goes into why a child is happy in a school - and it includes both home life, their friends, specific teachers, etc.
So - comparing these schools on ‘happiness’ isn’t really possible.

One can compare on facilities, entrance criteria and exams.
And yes, of course - 11+ results are influenced by selection bias’. But at 4 selection isn’t as reliable - that is why only a handful of hand picked FH girls end up at SPGS, not most. And they have most strict 4+ selection in the area - mostly Fall/Winter kids; mostly with mother as native English speakers, etc.

In the end of the day - parents are interested in stats. As it’s something that helps them make decisions if they have a choice to make.

[quote Bringonspring]@nhnhnhnh not sure if your based here in the the UK but all private schools are charities and therefore gain significant tax relief. They are not private institutions which can therefore do as they wish. With charity status they must demonstrate that they are for public benefit.

One of their methods of doing this is by providing bursaries to those could not afford private education and ultimately those individuals are more likely to be drawn from state schools.

Many would argue that private schools don’t meet the threshold for ‘public good’ however to remove charitable status would further increase their fees and put them even further out of reach.

But for now, in your argument, here in the UK it is inaccurate.[/quote]
This isn’t right. Most public schools are charities, and some of them are among the earliest charities to have been set up, and have been discharging their charitable purpose for hundreds of years. But not all are, and most prep schools are not charities (hence why they used to be referred to as private schools sometimes). Prep schools tend to have a proprietor/ headmaster model.

[quote Bringonspring]@Globaliser super naive[/quote]
It may not be what you want to hear, but it’s not naive. These schools take brainy girls in, give them a good education, and send them on to the most academic schools. The exam is the test for this. The current entrance exams don’t require specific preparation, although it would be stupid not to practise some past papers to familiarise yourself with the exam.

As Kensington Prep’s 2021 results have been published, for anyone interested, I have updated the data, below.
Unfortunately, this year, Ken Prep haven’t, as yet, detailed the places accepted. It would, also, be good to know how many girls are in their year group.

The headlines would appear to be:
Acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools - 2021
Falkner House: 13 girls / 62%;
Bute House: 29 girls / 48%;
Glendower: 14 girls / 44%;
Pembridge Hall: 17 girls / 30%;
Kensington Prep: ? girls / ?%.

In 2021, about 50%, or slightly less, of SPGS offers went to the girls from these five schools; 45 girls in 2021 vs. 34 girls in 2020.

Analysis
Bute House www.butehouse.co.uk/moving-on/senior-school-results.html
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 29 offers (6);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 29 offers (10);
SPGS: 2021 - 15 offers (13).

Bute House acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2021 - 29 (out of 61 girls) = 48%.
*Can’t compare like-for-like, with the other preps, as 2018-2020 data needed for Bute House.

Bute House SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 23 (out of 60? girls) = 38%;
2019 - 12-14? (out of 60? girls) = 23% - this is an estimate, as the school stopped reporting results publicly;
2020 - 15? (out of 61? girls) = 25% - estimate;
2021 - 13 (out of 61 girls) = 21%.

Falkner House www.falknerhouse.co.uk/brechin-place/about-us/after-falkner-house/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 11 offers (5);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 8 offers (3);
SPGS: 2021 - 5 offers (5).

Falkner House acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 14 (out of 19? girls) = 74%;
2019 - 16 (out of 22? girls) = 73%;
2020 - 11 (out of 22? girls) = 50%;
2021 - 13 (out of 21? girls) = 62%.
Falkner House SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6 (out of 19? girls) = 32%;
2019 - 11 (out of 22? girls) = 50%;
2020 - 7 (out of 22? girls) = 32%;
2021 - 5 (out of 21? girls) = 24%.

Glendower www.glendowerprep.org/moving-on/results/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 15 offers (5);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 12 offers (4);
SPGS: 2021 - 7 offers (5).
*For 2018-2020, Glendower only published acceptances.

Glendower acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 13 (out of 30 girls) = 43%;
2019 - 13 (out of 26 girls) = 50%;
2020 - 12 (out of 36 girls) = 33%;
2021 - 14 (out of 32 girls) = 44%.
Glendower SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6 (out of 30 girls) = 20%;
2019 - 7 (out of 26 girls) = 27%;
2020 - 3 (out of 36 girls) = 8%;
2021 - 7 (out of 32 girls) = 22%.

Kensington Prep www.kensingtonprep.gdst.net/about/senior-school-places/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 12 offers;
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 9 offers;
SPGS: 2021 - 12 offers.

Kensington Prep acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2018 - 4 (out of 41? girls) = 10%;
2019 - 14 (out of 39? girls) = 36%;
2020 - 13 (out of 37? girls) = 35%;
2021 - ? (out of ? girls) = ?%.
Kensington Prep SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 4 (out of 41? girls) = 10%;
2019 - 7 (out of 39? girls) = 18%;
2020 - 6 (out of 37? girls) = 16%;
2021 - 12 (out of 37? girls) = 32?%.

Pembridge Hall www.pembridgehall.co.uk/senior-school-transition/
Godolphin & Latymer: 2021 - 15 offers (6);
Latymer Upper: 2021 - 15 offers (4);
SPGS: 2021 - 8 offers (7).
*For 2019-2020, Pembridge Hall only published acceptances; 2018 results aren’t available on their website.
**Pembridge Hall is non-selective.

Pembridge Hall acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2019 - 15 (out of 56? girls) = 27%;
2020 - 14 (out of 54? girls) = 26%;
2021 - 17 (out of 56 girls) = 30%.
Pembridge Hall SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018 - 6? (out of 56? girls) = 11%;
2019 - 2 (out of 56? girls) = 4%;
2020 - 3 (out of 54? girls) = 6%;
2021 - 8 (out of 56 girls) = 14%.

Acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools:
2021
Falkner House: 13 girls / 62%;
Bute House: 29 girls / 48%;
Glendower: 14 girls / 44%;
Pembridge Hall: 17 girls / 30%;
Kensington Prep: ? girls / ?%.

SPGS offers, per girls in year group:
2018
Bute House: 23 girls / 38%;
Falkner House: 6 girls / 32%;
Glendower: 6 girls / 20%;
Pembridge Hall: 6? girls / 11%;
Kensington Prep: 4 girls / 10%.
Total: 45 girls

2019
Falkner House: 11 girls / 50%;
Glendower: 7 girls / 27%;
Bute House: 12-14? girls / 23%;
Kensington Prep: 7 girls / 18%;
Pembridge Hall: 2 girls / 4%.
Total: 40? girls

2020
Falkner House: 7 girls / 32%;
Bute House: 15? girls / 25%;
Kensington Prep: 6 girls / 16%;
Glendower: 3 girls / 8%;
Pembridge Hall: 3 girls / 6%.
Total: 34 girls

2021
Kensington Prep: 12 girls / 32?%;
Falkner House: 5 girls / 24%;
Glendower: 7 girls / 22%;
Bute House: 13 girls / 21%;
Pembridge Hall: 8 girls / 14%.
Total: 45 girls

Just saw this thread that is a bit dated. These calculations do not take into account the fact that a third of Bute House girls come from a lottery for reception entrance. Only two thirds come from highly selective 7+ entrance.
To compare like for like the 7+ Bute cohort with the others selecting at 4+ or 7+, the number to take into account is somewhere between 40 and 60. Only the school knows the number of girls who entered through lottery and ended up in the most academic schools. And for obvious reasons, they will never tell.

Well the other are 4+ assessment, don't think you can compare that to 7+... Bute take a lot of the cleverest girls from KenPrep, glen dower, pembridge etc so don't think that you should only prorate on 40 /60 girls..

@hheelloo

Just saw this thread that is a bit dated. These calculations do not take into account the fact that a third of Bute House girls come from a lottery for reception entrance. Only two thirds come from highly selective 7+ entrance. To compare like for like the 7+ Bute cohort with the others selecting at 4+ or 7+, the number to take into account is somewhere between 40 and 60. Only the school knows the number of girls who entered through lottery and ended up in the most academic schools. And for obvious reasons, they will never tell.

The ballot cohort are blended with the 7+, they're not in a separate stream, it's the major ethos of Bute that girl isn't pitted against girl, it's why we wanted the school for our DD. No relentless competitions, prefects etc.

I imagine Ballot parents (like us) all had hopes of Bute at 7+ anyway, we registered when she was born and were told she won a ballot place when she's was 2, so what can parents do except accept it and send her off in a couple of years at 4, with no real idea how 'academic she is?? To my mind somewhere like Bute is easily the best place for a child to reach their full potential with their non-competitive ethos, compared to the other preps.

This dated thread does seem a bit odd though, percentages of acceptance differences between a few schools that are all seen as 'top preps' and regularly appear in 'Top Preps of London' articles. Any parent with a DD at these schools shouldn't be over concerned with what the others are doing surely? As for deciding between them, surely it boils down to the ethos of the school. None of these schools guarantee entry to any school, but if ones DD is very bright it is difficult to see how any of them would fail to place her in a 'top' academic school.

Agreed and that is why the 7+ cohort probably does exceptionally well because it is easier to select at 7 rather than 4 the girls who will shine at 11+. The correct way would be actually to see the numbers of girls from 7+ accepted to a school over ~40 girls. So the numbers calculated above are very biased.

As for the non-competitive ethos, it is a smoke screen. Bute is neither more nor less competitive than any other schools discussed in this thread. As these calculations show, the competitive spirit is coming from the parents, from the mums probably more actually, than from the schools.

But it is true that Bute is a very happy place. The school is exceptional at addressing any start of bullying immediately and diffusing it very naturally. So any girl, whether academic or not will have a great time there as well as having great learning experience despite the pressure from parents.

The correct way would be actually to see the numbers of girls from 7+ accepted to a school over ~40 girls.

Actually, the correct way would be to see the number of Bute House girls from 4+ accepted to a school over ~20 girls. The other schools in the comparison are working with girls who started at 4+, not 7+.

Of course, you should then adjust for the fact that about half of the Bute House girls are actually siblings of girls who were successful at the 7+ exams, and all that implies about their families. And the fact that the other schools all lose some of their highest achieving 7 year old girls to Bute House. And the fact that the other schools select 100% of their girls on some mysterious criteria at 4+.

Which is to say, I don't believe that there is any way to compare the "value added" of Bute House with the other schools using the numbers above.

That said, I have heard from Bute House parents that the percentage of 7+ entrants who get places at SPGS is much closer to 50% than 5%, and that the percentage of 4+ entrants who get places at SPGS is much closer to 5% than 50%.

@user149799568

That said, I have heard from Bute House parents that the percentage of 7+ entrants who get places at SPGS is much closer to 50% than 5%, and that the percentage of 4+ entrants who get places at SPGS is much closer to 5% than 50%.

So what you're basically saying if your daughter is bright, Bute is the best prep in London to get into SPGS?

Most parents agree with you.

I think what user1497995678 is saying that if a girl if bright enough to pass the 7+ assesment from Bute she would have ended up in one of the top schools mentioned above whatever school she is in...

@Lolakath19

I think what user1497995678 is saying that if a girl if bright enough to pass the 7+ assesment from Bute she would have ended up in one of the top schools mentioned above whatever school she is in...

I completely agree (as my previous post)

I was being facetious, . In this old thread there is definitely an element of my prep's better than your prep (based on tiny differences from small numbers accepted to a narrow range of schools). It does make me chuckle when one considers the standings of these schools, and the maths involved. But as a parent whose DD is heading to one of these schools, I more than understand how one can get caught up in the 'hype'.

I'm saying two things:

1. The exit results of the schools depend more on the characteristics of the intake than on the school, as exemplified by differences in exit results between Bute House 4+ entrants and 7+ entrants and, because of this,
2. I don't believe I can tell which school "adds more value" from the exit results without a much deeper understanding of the intake than I have.

@hheelloo, the thread might be a bit dated, but the stats aren’t; these are the most recent results available - the 2022-entry exams are, currently, taking place.
Re. ‘These calculations do not take into account the fact that a third of Bute House girls come from a lottery for reception entrance’ (and @user149799568’s point: ‘…the other schools select 100% of their girls on some mysterious criteria at 4+’), Pembridge Hall (also featured in the stats) is non-selective at 4+.

@Lolakath, I agree; with all the variables (selecting at 4+ vs. 7+ for 11+ / working with girls who started at 4+, not 7+ / some of the other schools in the stats losing some of their highest-achieving girls to Bute, at 7+ / sibling policies, or not, etc.), pro-rating would be a nonsense, here.

@DaddyPhD, re. ‘This dated thread does seem a bit odd though, percentages of acceptance differences between a few schools…’, as I said, previously, on this thread, I pulled the stats together, and did some analysis, because I was interested in:
-Comments, in this thread, re. Bute (‘That is about half the year group staying in Hammersmith’ / ‘Half of the class of 60 ends up in the top Hammersmith schools’);
-Discussions on another thread, which were taking place simultaneously, hence the ‘few schools’ in the stats (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/4151955-Glendower-vs-Pembridge-vs-Ken-Prep-vs-Falkner).
Some of the schools’ publishing formats are more transparent than others, and, as I caveated many times, acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools, and numbers of SPGS offers, are but two metrics, of many.
Re. ‘Bute is the best prep in London to get into SPGS?’, facetiousness aside, the stats would appear to shed some light on why Bute decided to stop reporting results publicly… A shame, as piecing them together anecdotally isn’t ideal.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

[quote LondonMum24]@hheelloo, the thread might be a bit dated, but the stats aren’t; these are the most recent results available - the 2022-entry exams are, currently, taking place.
Re. ‘These calculations do not take into account the fact that a third of Bute House girls come from a lottery for reception entrance’ (and @user149799568’s point: ‘…the other schools select 100% of their girls on some mysterious criteria at 4+’), Pembridge Hall (also featured in the stats) is non-selective at 4+.

@Lolakath, I agree; with all the variables (selecting at 4+ vs. 7+ for 11+ / working with girls who started at 4+, not 7+ / some of the other schools in the stats losing some of their highest-achieving girls to Bute, at 7+ / sibling policies, or not, etc.), pro-rating would be a nonsense, here.

@DaddyPhD, re. ‘This dated thread does seem a bit odd though, percentages of acceptance differences between a few schools…’, as I said, previously, on this thread, I pulled the stats together, and did some analysis, because I was interested in:
-Comments, in this thread, re. Bute (‘That is about half the year group staying in Hammersmith’ / ‘Half of the class of 60 ends up in the top Hammersmith schools’);
-Discussions on another thread, which were taking place simultaneously, hence the ‘few schools’ in the stats (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/4151955-Glendower-vs-Pembridge-vs-Ken-Prep-vs-Falkner).
Some of the schools’ publishing formats are more transparent than others, and, as I caveated many times, acceptances across the three Hammersmith senior schools, and numbers of SPGS offers, are but two metrics, of many.
Re. ‘Bute is the best prep in London to get into SPGS?’, facetiousness aside, the stats would appear to shed some light on why Bute decided to stop reporting results publicly… A shame, as piecing them together anecdotally isn’t ideal.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics [/quote]
@LondonMum24

I have to say, I was bloody impressed with your number crunching, I didn't have a problem with anything you posted, Nothing wrong with looking at leavers destinations, a few snide remarks from other posters, but it's the nature of the beast.

As some other poster pointed out to me on another thread, a lot of assumptions are made about the schools on the list that has little to do with reality. ( like we always thought FH and PH way too "Tatler" and green welly for us, and Bute was laid back and non-competitive, but somehow magically sends girls to top schools )

Now we have a cheeky 3 year old with her own strong personality, her happiness is far more important than academic high flying.

Part of me understands acceptances at top schools goes up and down and one cannot read too deeply into them, but at the same time I can understand the pressure and anxiety parents feel when selecting schools for their DD that are oversubscribed, in the frenzy of central London elite schools.

@DaddyPhD,
I only have first-hand experience of one school on the list, with offers from others, and I can honestly say that it is a very happy place. Certainly, in the early years, anyway! Lots of amazing little characters with strong personalities.

[quote LondonMum24]@DaddyPhD,
I only have first-hand experience of one school on the list, with offers from others, and I can honestly say that it is a very happy place. Certainly, in the early years, anyway! Lots of amazing little characters with strong personalities.[/quote]
Amazing little characters with strong personalities

Sounds the perfect environment for our DD!