Falkner house girls

[Lolakath19]

Hi all,
does anyone know how FHG year 6 results look like this year?

Thanks a lot

I was listing the offers (not acceptances) from each school's website. We will have to wait and see what Bute's and Kensington Prep's offers are. KP haven't published theirs on their website yet, and Bute hasn't yet told the parents what their offers are, has it?

Both Bute and KPS parents know results by now and these two alone make up almost 30% of of the SPGS intake this year. Bute had slightly less than usual and KPS more than usual, but as noted about, the top 4-5 girls' prep tend to take a considerable share of places and as for the rest you'll have 1-2 girls from a large number of other schools.

Bute and KP dont make 30% of Spgs intake. Certainly not this year.
If you actually do the numbers - it’s not as considerable a share as one expects, given how many parents chose private preps in hope for a better education and a way into the top secondaries.
I wonder if G&L’s share of intake from these preps is actually higher.

Prospect house school have published results, slightly different in Putney and also a bit of an issue with Hammersmith bridge but 3 to SPGS, 3 to G&L, 12 to Emanuel, 12 to Epsom college, 5 to Hampton, 2 to kings. Quite interesting they got 28 places for GDST (Putney, Wimbledon,Sutton and surbiton) but only 4 accepted.

Really great set of results as always from school which doesn’t select

These results are interesting.

We looked at prospect and really liked it but ended up the wrong side of the bridge. Like the fact that they get good results without selection/those who are not super bright still end up at good schools

@Southwestlondonmum22 are PHS results on their website? I couldn’t find them when I tried looking and we are interested in moving if they have spaces. Great results!

Here you go, a great set of results

Bute and KP dont make 30% of Spgs intake. Certainly not this year.

Not this year, but Bute House, Kensington Prep, Glendower and Falkner House regularly used to make up about 40% of SPGS's intake. 40% of SPGS's intake is about 42 girls. Bute House used to average about 22 and each of the other 3 schools used to average 6-8.

Southwestlondonmum 22 it’s interesting on the GDST places, so many try and get their girls at 4 to see these schools to relax about not having to do the 11 plus but yet other schools are being favoured by PHS parents based on that ratio.

@sanam2019

Both Bute and KPS parents know results by now and these two alone make up almost 30% of of the SPGS intake this year. Bute had slightly less than usual and KPS more than usual, but as noted about, the top 4-5 girls' prep tend to take a considerable share of places and as for the rest you'll have 1-2 girls from a large number of other schools.

What are the numbers for KP and Bute this year?

Bite seems to have a magical reputation.
But it hasn’t averaged 22 to SPGS, not in a long long time... it did have a bumper year a few years back. But more regularly it’s been averaging about 15.
The numbers certainly came down since the change of HM several years ago. And a new one comes in next year - so we’ll see what direction the school would go.

SPGS has been pushing very hard on the bursary appeal this year, so I’m wondering if there will be an (even) higher proportion of prep-educated girls in the new Y7. I would assume that not having enough money to offer bursaries for all those who need one (and have passed the entrance exams) is more likely to affect girls coming from state primaries.

@HighRopes

SPGS has been pushing very hard on the bursary appeal this year, so I’m wondering if there will be an (even) higher proportion of prep-educated girls in the new Y7. I would assume that not having enough money to offer bursaries for all those who need one (and have passed the entrance exams) is more likely to affect girls coming from state primaries.

You could look at it the other way, and argue that they are pushing even more for bursaries so the can take more state educated girls. They proportion from state at the moment is about 25% in the best years I believe, less normally. So they really need to change this in the long term.

I hope so! I completely agree that they should be increasing the proportion from state primaries, I just fear that this year they’re not going to manage it as they’ll be limited by the bursary funds available.

Not sure why SPGS they ‘need’ to do anything. They are not a public institution. They aren’t responsible for the education in the whole of the U.K.
If more selective education for state pupils is needed - then more free grammar schools need to open. Rather than moving responsibility on the private institutions.
And 25% bursary is a significant percentage of the student body.
But this year - it does seem that the share of preps went down a bit. Unclear if it’s a trend or a function of the selection process what was, by most accounts, run very poorly.
Despite claiming that they were prepared for all eventualities they first cancelled the exam, and then a week later cobbled something together. It was quite clear that they weren’t ready for the most likely scenario - cancellation of Jan exams.

In the end of the day, SPGS is a school that delivers the results they do to a large extent because of they select in the way that works for them. Whether or not those extremely bright girls they pick come from private or state is not necessarily relevant for the selection.

@nhnhnhnh agree with all of that. The 25% I had referred to is % state, but that is on a lucky year, a lot less normally. Also it would be fair that they selected fairly from both state and prep - and more bursaries would help for obvious reasons. I agree it will not change their results, but it would be more fair to the state girls that can not afford the fees.

I think as long as bursaries are given to the girls with same potential/results as the other non-bursary girls - than I agree.
But in general - I think that as SPGS isn’t a public good that needs to be shared with some sort of fairness - there isn’t a need to have goals on the proportions that come from various groups.
It’s an academically super selective school. And it’s also but one school.

@nhnhnhnh not sure if your based here in the the UK but all private schools are charities and therefore gain significant tax relief. They are not private institutions which can therefore do as they wish. With charity status they must demonstrate that they are for public benefit.

One of their methods of doing this is by providing bursaries to those could not afford private education and ultimately those individuals are more likely to be drawn from state schools.

Many would argue that private schools don’t meet the threshold for ‘public good’ however to remove charitable status would further increase their fees and put them even further out of reach.

But for now, in your argument, here in the UK it is inaccurate.

I am on the U.K. and have a daughter at SPGS.
So - yes, charitable status if independent schools is familiar to me. And what it means for them is that they can’t generate profit and have to provide certain public benefit. But there is no clear definition of what that is supposed to be, and there is no set % on the level of bursaries.
And taking all of that into account - beyond the legal requirement to have some bursaries available - which all private secondaries already do - I still believe the rest of the places should go to the kids that perform best at the various steps of selection process. And those other places aren’t a public good and shouldn’t be allocated based on politics, but purely based on performance. And this is what that school is about.
Similar to the grammar schools - that select on exam results.
The issue in the U.K., I find, is that there is this struggle between selective vs comprehensive education. But as long as both systems exist in parallel - they should be able to work as they are set out to be.

I agree - as far as I’m aware, they don’t have sufficient bursary funding to do truly needs blind admissions. My point was that this year, that may mean they end up admitting a higher percentage of prep-educated girls. Which in my view is a shame, because it would be fairer if they had enough bursary funding to admit purely on performance in the entrance process.

In order for a school to maintain a their charity status they need to demonstrate that provide a public benefit. It's more than simply not generating profit.

Yes @nylon14 I agree, I understand what you are saying @nhnhnhnh about it being performance driven but all private schools have to challenge themselves to make sure that they do not create an assessment process which naturally favours preps schools. It’s not about lowering the standard for state it’s about removing barriers to create an equal process.

Anyone who thinks I’m there are no barriers is sadly very naive

@Bringonspring

Yes *@nylon14 I agree, I understand what you are saying @nhnhnhnh* about it being performance driven but all private schools have to challenge themselves to make sure that they do not create an assessment process which naturally favours preps schools. It’s not about lowering the standard for state it’s about removing barriers to create an equal process.

Anyone who thinks I’m there are no barriers is sadly very naive

They have an assessment process that doesn’t favour any type of school. It’s called an exam.

@Globalizer I guess the point of previous posters, is that it is an exam indeed, but looks more geared on preparation than aptitude, given the level at which it is pitched at.
SPGS is ALL about results. And for A levels too. I know a girl that was offer a sixth form place on the condition that she does NOT take A levels for her third/fourth subject. She declined. Went to Westminster. Took said subject, got a B. Went on to Oxbridge anyways, guess which school was smarter and still saw something special in her.

@Globaliser super naive