Are my son's SATs results good?

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I can't make heads nor tails of it

He got 112 for Maths
118 for spag
120 for reading

Will this get him into good sets for secondary school?

But it only gave a score on the results sheet of paper - not even what it was out of. I understand scaled scores - but it didn't say on the sheet that the top scaled score was 120 and it just said whether it was achieved level. So for example DD got 117 for spag - but 117 out of what?! Nowhere did it say what was needed for greater depth. Our high achieving primary only focused on what best to do to support students - nothing about grade boundaries or how to interpret data. We shouldn't have to google it - it should be clear on the sheet of paper what the marks are out of. It should also be clear what the grade boundaries are - they are for GCSE.
I'm pleased DD seems to have done well but it just means that GCSE targets will be ridiculous and she could spend secondary school being under target & getting stressed about it.

Feenie are you aware that the early years curriculum is not assessed in this way?

Yes, I am acutely aware of how you assess your children. That's my point! Why in earth are you so ignorant of what happens two years ahead? It's absolutely ridiculous!

t is a nursery , reception and year 1 setting. The year 2s to year 6s go to another school in the town. It is because if the size if the buildings so they spread it over 2 schools. Does that satisfy you?

Not really. Different building, same school, same progress measure. It's your entire accountability measure and what you're entire existence is based on, ffs.

Your!

Vyoud have to have real educational issues or be semi literate not to be able to find the information online.
OP is online and asking!

I looked online and read conflicting information and still slightly misunderstood.
FWIW (although it's hardly relevant) I am very highly educated. And there are plenty of other intelligent (academically or professionally) parents who also have been asking (plenty of FB posts & whatsapping last night) and trying to understand how it is scored due to confusing information and the muddle of charts given out. It's not about the parents intelligence but that it simply isn't user friendly to understand the dense charts.

@OnceFreshFish that was an unnecessarily patronising post and a really horrible way to talk to people.

Perhaps we should leave this thread to the circling wolves, who have forgotten to be kind.

It's entirely reasonable for parents to ask.

It's entirely unreasonable for a teacher to not know what their school is measured on.

feenie the OP works in infant school setting & grade boundaries are not applied in the same way, the results sheet does not explain the grade boundaries clearly. OP should be allowed to ask on here in the hope a primary school teacher may be able to explain the data. Why are you being so nasty?

The tests which contribute to the teacher assessment at Y2 are absolutely set up the same way - 100 is expected (although the top scaled score is 115, not 120).

The OP's entire existence as a school is based on this measure. If she admitted to an Ofsted inspector what she has demonstrated here in terms of lack of knowledge, her school would fail.

It's not nastiness - it's incredulity at someone being so ignorant about their job. Her assessment is the beginning of her school's accountability measure - it's inconceivable that she does not know what makes up the end point of that measure.

Unless your Ds is going to a tiny secondary then the school will do their own tests.

Ds’s secondary had a 270 intake of 9 classes.

They did a separate test because they couldn’t do a cut off point as do many pupils had the same top scores.

The question started very simple, for this and this result then would there be a chance for a good settings/table/group in secondary.

Then the pack went on and on about the capability and even personality of the thread starter. Basically, they said 2 things: parents asked SAT questions on here are:
1; purely stealth boasting,
2; stupid

And if neither of the above, the parent is still either stupid( not being able to search on facebook?!?; google?!?) or not capable of being either a parent(how on earth a yr 6 parent doesnt know about SAT?!? And the meaning of the result) or at their job( as a teacher).

This is why MN seems so cynical.

Maybe kids' scores really do reflect parental interest.
So that's why the scores asked about are almost always very high ones.
There are almost never scores being asked about < 100, much less below 90 or < 80.
You'd expect a normal distribution around the mean queried score.
The mean queried score seems to be about 119 (so far this year).
Maybe the parents of kids with scores < 100 are the very bright parents who don't need to ask.
Or only parents of bright children come on MN.
Or the MN parents of dim children KNOW they are dim kids so have worked hard to understand the system in advance.

Tis a mystery!

(OP) 112 for Maths 118 for spag 120 for reading
(Tuesday in PE) 109 in English Grammar, 110 maths, 118 in reading
(Tuesday in Ed'n) 112 in English reading
I know I saw a different thread earlier this week where child got at least 120 in something, and others all > 110.

Some MNers announcing in passing on KS2 SAT threads that their child scored 120-120-120.

What's the percent who get 120-120-120, 0.5%?

Unless your Ds is going to a tiny secondary then the school will do their own tests.

Not necessarily so. My ds is in Y8 at a large secondary and they set on SAT results alone in Y7 - they don't do their own tests. Depends entirely on the individual school.

I was told that in Maths they had something like 50-60 pupils on quite close grades and as a lot of parents hot house children for SATS they wanted to know at what level they were really at after the summer holidays.

I'm afraid i'm another cynical one here. I tend to think if parents genuinely don't understand the SATs scoring then they state this without feeling the need to mention their child's (very good) scores. And there have been some threads like that where posters have explained helpfully.

And the sets question is just unanswerable as it depends not only on how (and if) the individual school sets but the intake of said school. We have no idea if OP's DC is going to a super selective school, a grammar, an average comp, or a school with a more mixed intake. And the fact that OP asks if they are good enough results for good sets, suggest she does know they are good results.

Yes you know they are?

He’s on the borderline, for some and so depends on the school. If the school has a lot of kids with perfect scores in all areas then your son may be pushed down and expected to work his way back up by year 9.

OK. I know I was being somewhat cynical and unreasonable upthread OP I'm sorry.

It's more a reflection on how disheartened I am at the moment on how hard my DD2 works compared with how little progress she makes in some areas.

So sorry for derailing. Yes they are very good, and yes you should be proud, and yes in most schools this would be top set.

@TeenTimesTwo - to give you a bit of hope, I was dyslexic (and have dyscalcula) and emerged from Primary to go into all the low sets in Year 7. Then something clicked in Year 8 and in Year 9 I was in the top sets for everything (eventually getting all A stars, As and Bs at GCSE). I worked very hard and that was the differentiator between me and the other students so don’t lose hope!

Not was. I have dyslexia lol

OP...it's really not that hard to understand why people are accusing you of a stealth boast! Come on...at least own it! I'm an infant teacher, but I absolutely know what a scaled score represents!! And even if I didn't (seriously, not possible in ANY school where children take SATS...I'm assuming you DO have Year 2s, who take SATS and get a scaled score!)...Google is your friend! It would take less than a minute to type 'KS2 scaled scores' into Google, yet you chose to post your son's results on here and ask! I'm betting you'd not have done the same if they were in the 80s 🙄

All the teachers I know of any age group (and I know lots) are VERY informed and interested in their own kids education regardless of the difference in stages They are still much more understanding of systems than non teaching parents.

It’s like a go claiming they don’t know how a heart works because they are a specialist in asthma.

A GP I mean.

MNers also seem to overwhelmingly have kids in schools rated Outstanding, maybe Good, rarely below.

I get impression that those ratings largely depends on paperwork: is the school very oriented towards producing lots of specific paperwork about each child and each policy.

Yet when it comes to informing the parents about their child's progress and achievements, the school utterly fails in producing specific paperwork for many.

Tis strange!

Regardless of what OP knows, does her DC not understand the marks? My DC's primary was the opposite of a pushy SATs factory type school, but all the DC were well aware of how the scores worked and what constituted a good score or a bad score.

I'm wondering if OP actually meant meant ask a question along the lines of "my DC has got good but not stellar SATs results. Will they be in top set at secondary school?"
but thought that sounded too pushy.

If it helps OP, those results wouldn't get your DC into the top maths set at our secondary school, because they teach the DC in mixed ability groups for the first half term while they carry out their own assessments, which are used to set. And they wouldn't get your DC into top sets in any other subject either, because there aren't any. But I suspect that infirmation is not terribly useful, unless your DC happen to be going to the same school as mine.

I also received SAT results with no explanation other than achieved standard.