Are my son's SATs results good?

[Whatthehell2020000]

I can't make heads nor tails of it

He got 112 for Maths
118 for spag
120 for reading

Will this get him into good sets for secondary school?

www.theschoolrun.com/understanding-sats-results

The rest is all a quote from that link which is the first thing that came up when I googled:

The range of scaled scores available for each KS2 test is the same, this year and in future years:
80 is the lowest possible scaled score
120 is the highest possible scaled score

A scaled score of 100 or more means that the child has met the expected standard in each test; a scaled score of 99 or less means they haven't reached the government-expected standard.

In 2018 64% of pupils met the new expected standard in reading, writing and mathematics. In reading, 75% achieved the standard, in maths 76% met the standard, in spelling, punctuation and grammar tests 78% of pupils met the expected standard, and in writing a total of 78% of children met the expected standard. The percentage of pupils reaching the expected standard has risen every year since 2016.

You're a reception teacher ffs - surely you must have an idea?

Your son's low scored precluded him from being diagnosed with learning difficulties ????

Not even a cover letter to explain these were the test results?

Was your child's name even on the report?

I'm just astonished that nothing else was on the page(s).
Below is almost precisely same text that is on DS's result sheet (widely elsewhere on 'Tinternet)

"Scaled scores are used all over the world. They help test results to be reported consistently from one year to the next. National curriculum tests are designed to be as similar as possible year on year, but slight differences in difficulty will occur between years. Scaled scores maintain their meaning over time so that two pupils achieving the same scaled score on two different tests will have demonstrated the same attainment. On the scale 100 will always represent the ‘national standard’. However, due to the small differences in difficulty between tests, the ‘raw score’ (ie the total number of correct responses) that equates to 100 might be different (though similar) each year."

X post with myrtleW... does make U wonder if you can believe a single thing you read on T'internet.

OP, your son has done brilliantly, his scores are fantastic, he should be really proud of himself.

I can well believe that the school have handed out the scores with no real explanation. My dd was told her scores yesterday but we received no information home at all. Fortunately from reading previous threads on here I understood what her scores meant but I can see how it would be confusing for some.

Mumsnet is a funny old place, it seems to be frowned upon to even hint that your child may be doing well academically. It wouldn’t hurt sometimes for people to say well done rather than trying to accuse posters of stealth boasting. Your sons scores are something to be incredibly proud of, the same way other people are proud of their children’s sport, art, musical achievements - I think you’ve received some pretty harsh replies on here, please don’t let that put a dampener on your son’s brilliant results.

50% of students score below 100, 50% above.

35% of pupils scored below 100 - not 50%.

Are you sure you teach Maths?

@LadyLannister
Thank you so much

And yes, I am a reception teacher in a nursery and infant school. We don't do year 6 SATs.as we don't even have KS2 children in my school so I don't have a clue!

@Not even a cover letter to explain these were the test results?

Was your child's name even on the report

Yes his name was on the report. His results were entered on the school report in 3 boxes.

As I said, if I was going to boast , it would not be anonymously on Mumsnet.....!!!!

And if I used the word 'preclude' as an autocorrect fail. One of my other children got such low SATs that he ended up being assessed and was found to have a mild learning difficulty.

I recieved my childs results without a narrative explaining what they meant.

I did do my own homework beforehand by using google and fb to figure it all out but I'm sure there will be many many parents out there who genuinely dont understand how the marks work.

Just because a child is working ag GD it doesnt mean the parent is at the same level.

You need to ask the secondary school, there's no standard regulations on how they set. No one here can tell you for sure and you shouldn't assume your school will work in the same way as someone else's.

Didn't you get an explanation of the way the marks work with the results?

One of my other children got such low SATs that he ended up being assessed and was found to have a mild learning difficulty.

What score did your other child get?

@Anywherebuthere. Thank you

@caughtinanet Nope, nothing! They were just entered into 3 boxes at the end of the report. Odd

As others have said, 100 represents the expected standard for the end of year 6. It is not an 'average'.

The thresholds are worked out each year by a panel of teachers who look closely at each question on the test and determine whether an average pupil in their class would be able to answer it. They are not arbitrary and the reason they are slightly different each year is to account for variation in the difficulty of the papers. So a lower threshold means the paper was slightly harder than in previous years.

110+ is classed as working at greater depth and 120 is the highest scaled score possible, so yes, your dc has done exceptionally well.

lljkk we just had a 2 sided report with comment plus tick box for all subjects. Then a single page print off with SATS scores and the paragraph about the scores being scaled and that the average was 100. Nothing else to explain - so no idea what the mark was out of nor whether it was greater depth, so I had to google it all. DH is a year 3 teacher and wasn't too sure about grade boundaries - I teach secondary and had no idea either.
It seems 110 out of 120 is greater depth so he has done well. I would say that he would go into good sets in secondary. The tests are really hard now & only something like 63% get expected level so he has done really well. Good for him & ignore the nasty comments.

@feenie apologies I'd incorrectly interpreted a document I found online. The 100 score isn't the mean score, but a score judged by experts. The scores are still normally distributed (from what I can see) but the 100 score isn't the centre of the graph.

The mean scores are 106 for Spag, 104 for reading and 105 for Maths.

What stretches my credibility, is that with all the talk of SATs in y6, a primary school apparently hasn't told the parents at any point in the year, even the most basic information about them, such as how they are scored.

Furthermore apparently even people who teach albeit different age groups haven't informed themselves prior to their children taking the tests, or been interested enough to look on the schools website for information on previous year's results or even how they are scored.

Extending this credibility, is that it always seems on MN to be the parents of high achievers who somehow don't know this information. I don't think I have ever seen a thread saying 'My child got 95, 97 and 98 is this any good' (or in the old days 3b, 3a) yet the ~117s come up regularly (and in the old days the 5a).

So OP, yes your DC's scores were very good. When they get grade 7-9s in GCSEs that will be very good too.

I was the one who came and asked the question last night and was mocked so that I asked Mod to delete my thread, posted after 15 mins there were 10 replies. I got home around 8pm and open the letter together with my yr6 daughter. There was 1 page result with some explanation about average scored expected nationally and within the school the previous year and this year. We googled together however there wasnt a clear explanation of what does the result mean. To be honest, I dont really care about SAT, I didnt know when did she take it as I was away on business that couple of weeks and it doesnt have any impact to her secondary school entrance. It was her who wanted to understand the result given grammar or private school entrance only gave her fail/pass, never had she seen a proper real score. After many years on mumsnet, it might be a retired time. And yes, English is my second language and both myself and my husband are not familiar with how English schools work.

@TeenTimesTwo
I've just got my head round the new GCSE grades thank goodness

@Greenleave I'm sorry to hear you are sad about the way you were treated . I totally understand it. People can be like a pack of wolves on here. Luckily there are lots of kind people too x

Furthermore apparently even people who teach albeit different age groups haven't informed themselves prior to their children taking the tests, or been interested enough to look on the schools website for information on previous year's results or even how they are scored

^^This. Your year group is not a bubble.

I felt sad for mumsnet to be honest, I learnt great deal from mumsnet over the years and have been using it as golden source to turn to every time I have any question about my kids educations, extra curriculums etc. Many working parents who do long hours like us really have very little clue and not everything is explained properly via couple of searches. I didnt even know there was KS1 SAT my daughter took few years back, I dont think there was any result sent home from school.

TeenTimesTwo - Our school has not at any point explained how SATs are scored, we’ve had barely any information about SATs full stop - just a timetable of when they would be, However, I have done my own research so I understand how they are scored. I can understand how people may be confused though, I’ve tried to explain scaled scores to another mum from school and she just wasn’t understanding what I meant, a raw score is probably easier for some people to understand.