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Law on detention pls

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Pennell80 · 16/03/2019 15:30

Hi
.imnew to the site and need your advise.
My son is in year 3..Just found out the the teacher takes my son out of class forreading.which means he doesn't finish his work inclass.but what the school have been doing is keeping my son in on breaks or lunch to catch up.i asked the teacher that i dont give permission for this as its not his fault but the school teacher said i gave up my rights when my son joined the school..said i have no say over my child.... is this right. What is the law forthis.hesonly 8 yearsold.hedoes his homework..never naughty atschool.hesalways helping the teachers.
My poor son. He now refuses to go back to the school cos of the way the teachers treat him..

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HardofCleaning · 16/03/2019 16:06

Unfortunately this is done in some schools - I'm pretty sure any trained teacher knows it's very bad practice. Kids who are dyslexic or just struggle with any aspect of school (behaviour, reading, maths etc) actually have a greater need for breaks than other kids as they're working harder to cope in the classroom.

I would escalate through the complaints channel of the school. Children have a right under European law for leisure time so you could use that in your argument. You can also look up the evidence which very clearly shows it's counter productive to remove break time from kids. Obviously you should keep your interaction with the school constructive - e.g. offer to do the extra reading with him at home instead.

noblegiraffe · 16/03/2019 16:22

It’s not a detention as such, which would be a punishment for poor behaviour. Your DS is missing out on classwork due to intervention. If you don’t want him to do the missed work at break/lunch, when would you like him to do it instead?

Instead of going in kicking off about the law and how unacceptable it all is, it would be more productive to say that you understand the issue of the missed work, and would prefer a different solution (e.g. missing assembly, doing it at home?).

Hamsternauts · 16/03/2019 16:28

It's a shame they can't do it the other way round. Ie. He does the work with the others in class and then goes to lunchtime "reading club" Maybe because supervising him catching up at break permits the teacher to be getting on with other things. Could you suggest he finishes off work at home and has break, if you are prepared to supervise him.completing work at home?

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Pennell80 · 16/03/2019 16:40

I suggested this to them and they say that he needs to finish his class work.
Hes having his packed lunch in the classroom doing his work.only break he is getting is the one in the morning .
Seems unfair that the school can punish the kids for school work that the teacher chose to remove them out of.
He wasnt even given a chance to finish off.
He loves his reading and does all his homework at home all by himself and get 100% marking. Just now the school are being silly.
Even when it closed on a snow day.they marked all the children as unauthorized..so all got 95% and letters sent home

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noblegiraffe · 16/03/2019 16:43

If he loves his reading and getting 100% why is he being taken out all the time?

sleepyhead · 16/03/2019 16:52

We asked for incomplete class work to be sent home for us to do with ds1.

It was a concentration issue with him rather than being taken out of class, but it didn't take too long for him to catch up. Would that be an option?

Helpmedecide123 · 16/03/2019 17:28

Why is he being taken out of class? How often is this happening?

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Pennell80 · 16/03/2019 17:29

Noblegiraffe, hes being removed from class to do reading..so whatever class he is in he gets taken out to do reading..so if his work isnt done in class then its in at break or lunch..but its not his fault..school shouldnt move him out of class if he isnt done with his class work.wait til hes done and then go reading.

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noblegiraffe · 16/03/2019 17:33

It doesn’t work like that, Pennell, if he’s in class, doing his classwork, then he can’t be taken out for reading. The intervention teacher can’t hang around hoping he will finish his classwork early and have nothing to do so that she can then take him out. He’d end up not doing his reading and the intervention teacher’s time would be wasted.

HardofCleaning · 16/03/2019 17:35

Quite simply it's unacceptable for him ti have no break time. It is not in the least bit healthy and I would absolutely not accept this for my child. It's a massive disadvantage for his physical and mental health and will disadvantage him socially. There is no excuse for a school to do this. It wouldn't be acceptable to deprive an adult of breaks and it certainly isn't for kids.

Topseyt · 16/03/2019 17:52

I think it sounds unfair and would be wanting a proper meeting with the teachers concerned to check what is actually going on here.

Don't go in all guns blazing banging on about law and rights etc. There may be no actual law governing the matter and you would immediately put people's backs up.

Say that you are unhappy about him losing his breaktimes and it is causing problems because he feels it as a punishment and it is making him unhappy about coming to school each day. Therefore your preferred solution would be to send unfinished classwork home and you will supervise him as best you can there.

I personally think that is a bad practice that seems to be favoured in some schools. It isn't hard to see why some kids who are already struggling and at a disadvantage could feel it is a punishment and be upset about it.

Norestformrz · 16/03/2019 18:10

He isn't being put in detention or punished. It's seems from what you say he's receiving additional support during lesson time which means his class work isn't completed. Unfortunately this needs to be completed at some point or he will fall further behind his classmates. I think you need to negotiate with the school when this will take place.

BottleOfJameson · 16/03/2019 18:18

This is unacceptable. A child who struggles in any way cannot be deprived of their free time. There is no excuse whatsoever for that happening. A child simply can't work through the day without breaks. This is obvious to anyone but for anyone who is silly enough to deny it there is ample evidence to show it doesn't work. It isn't acceptable as a behaviour management technique and it definitely isn't acceptable for children who need additional help academically. Children with learning difficulties are already at risk of social isolation and low self esteem this is only going to exacerbate it. I would go into the school calmly and state that you do not accept this happening in any circumstance. Obviously you should be willing to support the school in completing academic work over the weekend etc but he must be allowed to socialise with his peers and have a break. It is incredibly unhealthy for him not to do so.

HomeMadeMadness · 16/03/2019 18:22

If this is really happening then you need to take a very firm stand against it. No child should be deprived of free time. There is already far too little in the school timetable. Whether or not the school call it a punishment it is one - he is missing his free time. Go to the school and make sure this is really happening. If it is ensure it's stopped immediately or move him to a different school. Some children will always struggle more than others - that should never put them at a disadvantage socially or in terms of their emotional and physical well being. Depriving a child of exercise and a chance to play will unequivically damage them long term. There is no question of that.

Russell19 · 16/03/2019 18:42

Is your son academically behind? You seem to think he's not. I'm struggling to understand why he would be removed from class if he wasn't behind. Do you read at home with him?

Ihatemyseleffordoingthis · 16/03/2019 18:52

"the school teacher said i gave up my rights when my son joined the school"

Well I wouldn't be having that for a start.

It's primary school. It will be the same teacher all the time. It isn't hard for them to think carefully about when the intervention work could happen to ensure that he didn't have to miss the breaks he needs.

It's totally unacceptable. Escalate it. Or move to a new school.

Todaythiscouldbe · 16/03/2019 18:58

Is he the only one taken out for reading? Is he struggling and receiving extra help with reading or is this something different?

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Pennell80 · 16/03/2019 19:51

Hes ahead in reading and a cleaver boy.he doesnt get extra help.they take out each child to do reading.
I will be going into the school monday and telling them how i feel.. i done this before and the head basically pushed me out of the door making me think im the one with the problem..
My son dont have any difficulties at all. Its a very small school.classes of 15 children in each.
The head threatens all the parents with social services and education welfare but spoken to them yesterday and they are absolutely happy with the progress with our son.
They have suggested me going further up in complaints..
We are going to look into other schools. Just want my son to be looked after and happy.

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Todaythiscouldbe · 16/03/2019 20:12

So, if each child is taken out to do reading they all miss class time so, in theory should all not have time to finish their work. I worked in a primary school and this is normal. If he's not completing his work and everyone else is, it's not the reading that's the issue.

BelleSausage · 16/03/2019 20:17

There is something missing from your story. How many break and lunchtimes has he missed due to reading intervention?

Todaythiscouldbe · 16/03/2019 20:18

Just to add, reading is really important and is actually a lesson in itself.

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Pennell80 · 16/03/2019 20:20

**So, if each child is taken out to do reading they all miss class time so, in theory should all not have time to finish their work. I worked in a primary school and this is normal. If he's not completing his work and everyone else is, it's not the reading that's the issue.

There is 5 other kids who have the same problem... but its my boy im worried about as he thinks hes done wrong.

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Pennell80 · 16/03/2019 20:22

Found out today that hes missing break time 3 times a week..
Due to being taken out reading...state this now ...ive got no problem with him going out reading as i know he loves it..but to be taken out of class to go into another and not finish work isnt his fault.should allow time for the kids to finish and then read..

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BelleSausage · 16/03/2019 20:22

Wait. So there are six children being held back for entire break and lunchtimes to complete unfinished class work because of reading intervention?

Or is it five minutes at the beginning of break and lunch? How often does this happen?

Todaythiscouldbe · 16/03/2019 20:23

Really. You're his parent, tell him he's done nothing wrong. If 6 children are regularly missing a whole lunch break due to this then I agree there is a problem. However, if it's a one off or part of the lunch break this is acceptable. How do the other 9 children manage to complete their work?
I appreciate you're worried about your son but I really think there's a bit more to this. You seem to have a real issue with the school in general.

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