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Ofsted's new framework - behaviour

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disneyatemydaughter · 28/10/2018 13:58

Ofsted have recently shifted focus - behaviour will be a new category in inspection: "The other major change involves looking at behaviour and pupil attitudes in a single category, signalling a more critical view to how schools deal with classroom behaviour," www.theguardian.com/education/2018/oct/11/ofsted-to-ditch-using-exam-results-as-mark-of-success-amanda-spielman. Amanda Spielman favours a “tough stance on behaviour” www.tes.com/news/writing-lines-and-mobile-bans-ofsted-chiefs-behaviour-blitz.

Surely this approach would be harmful in primary schools - getting "tough" on young children who are not cooperating surely will only make them less engaged and more miserable. How does tough discipline benefit them, or their more cooperative peers?

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sevens7 · 09/11/2018 19:23

Remember everything is learnt from state school.........
Smacking is gradually reducing in the home but school taught us about smacking by hitting/caning us. (still being done today by teachers in poorer countries) Some people arrive in this country then carry on doing it as parents.

Some parents shout, scream, belittle and humiliate, i witnessed this being done to kids in school as a volunteer, i guess when these kids grow up they'll do it to their kids.

Everything you need to be a bad parent comes from school.

If state school had made sure that some of us could read we could find out that what we were doing was wrong.

So by state school not promoting reading out loud, (which helps speech) has meant some feral members of our society have poor speech, poor reading, poor understanding, no feelings, no empathy.

There's a whole group of companies/charities/jobs etc feeding off the failure.

Feenie · 09/11/2018 19:32

You sound really confused - of course state schools teach children to read/read out loud.

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 19:55

Oh they do now, that's why the London mayor is saying it will take ten years for knife crime to fade.

Hadenoughofallthis · 09/11/2018 19:56

Sevens, are you on glue?

(Hi Feenie! Clam here)

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 20:08

It was me who suggested, "the best way to teach respect is to show respect," hence all schools must have Rights Respecting Certs.

When the government seriously leaned on teachers by creating loads of paperwork they were really trying to fish out poor heads.

The head controls everything.

It's a shame this had to happen but schools were a law unto themselves.

I saw the strain and stress first hand and felt sorry for the teachers, i thought it was a horrible job.

I am a feminist (I am a member of the Women's Equality Party) and i agree with the limited reading out loud that was done in the past but i don't agree with, shouting, screaming, humiliating and belittling, it's not discipline it's bullying.

Feenie · 09/11/2018 20:25

It's been taught for at least the last 25 years, sevens. You honestly sound nuts.

Clam! How are you? Great to see you!

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 20:33

So school created parents with poor parenting skills, poor parenting creates poor behaviour, this stresses teachers out which doesn't help results.
I was a dad with poor parenting skills, I bullied by screaming, shouting, smacking.
My wife did blind love, she started off a bit like me but then ended up doing blind love for the youngest boy.....who do you think has the criminal record.

When I helped in school age 56 everything finally fell into place, I finally learnt to read, write and became a better grandparent.

I became a good partner who will add to the whole child but it took me spent 2 days a week for two years to find out.

By sharing how I wrongly thought, schools have learnt something about their partner.

It wasn't one school that changed it was all the schools.

MyBrexitIsIll · 09/11/2018 20:40

But focusing in behaviour didn’t automatically mean focusing on punishment Confused
There are more and more studies to show for example that meditation and mindfulness improves behaviour much better than most other systems.

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 20:40

There's varying degrees of reading out loud, I agree teachers can't sit with all the kids, (15 minutes a day for weeks) but they could have spent more time telling parents.
I don't have be involved with it, I'm 62 now but school has still got a long way to go before some of us will respect teachers.

Hadenoughofallthis · 09/11/2018 20:41
Feenie · 09/11/2018 20:41

You single handedly changed all schools? Wow. Hmm

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 20:42

If everything was great at school you wouldn't be on here correcting me.

Feenie · 09/11/2018 20:42

Have never spotted you!

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 20:48

You didn't have to educate some boys but you should have respected them, now because things are out of control you want to expel them.

You lot are worrying me.

It was tax payers money that enabled this mess and now its being withdrawn we are starting talk, (even though we are disagreeing) it's a start.

Feenie · 09/11/2018 20:52

You've completely lost me. Ages ago.

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 20:56

Hey Feenie are you a teacher?

Feenie · 09/11/2018 21:00

Yes

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 21:16

Infants?

Believe it or not I'm on your side, I was aware at the school where i helped that the head was bullying staff, made some teachers cry, she didn't seem to respect the staff and I believe respecting staff and supporting staff comes first. I accused the school as being a bottom up, "Fear Respect School" but i now believe it's a top down "Love Respect School."

I want the girls to do well because, a better educated girl is more likely to be a better mum.

I just I don't want some boys to failure by so much.

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 21:17

sorry not failure, fail.

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 21:18

I wanted the boys to respect the female teachers

Hadenoughofallthis · 09/11/2018 21:18

sevens, I'm another (teacher) who has absolutely no idea what on earth you're talking about.

Hadenoughofallthis · 09/11/2018 21:21

So, sevens, are you saying that there have been Head Teachers who have actually allowed you into their schools to ... well, what? Hear readers, make children laugh, tell kids to respect women and then to judge and write/draw some pamphlets telling highly-trained professionals where they're going wrong?

sevens7 · 09/11/2018 21:28

You sound like guardians of state school trying to stop the truth getting out, you sound desperate.

Feenie · 09/11/2018 21:29

I've taught both KS1 and KS2 for a loooong time.

What Hadenoughofallthis said ^

Feenie · 09/11/2018 21:29
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