Ofsted's new framework - behaviour

[disneyatemydaughter]

Ofsted have recently shifted focus - behaviour will be a new category in inspection: "The other major change involves looking at behaviour and pupil attitudes in a single category, signalling a more critical view to how schools deal with classroom behaviour," www.theguardian.com/education/2018/oct/11/ofsted-to-ditch-using-exam-results-as-mark-of-success-amanda-spielman. Amanda Spielman favours a “tough stance on behaviour” www.tes.com/news/writing-lines-and-mobile-bans-ofsted-chiefs-behaviour-blitz.

Surely this approach would be harmful in primary schools - getting "tough" on young children who are not cooperating surely will only make them less engaged and more miserable. How does tough discipline benefit them, or their more cooperative peers?

I'll be teaching thirty children on the 21st I'm afraid

Oh that's a shame, it would have been nice to meet you.
When I said it was banned or limited I didn't mean on an official level, I thought staff had done it on an unofficially.
I guess i was wrong but imagine I was right, it would answer so many questions.........
Children going into high school with poor reading skills.
Poor parenting that's not helped by reading.
Poor behaviour in class that has links with poor vocabulary.
Record prison population with two thirds having poor reading skills.
I'm ok with all this, reading out loud isn't natural, it's just schools like to give the impression it's got nothing to do with them.

Now the picture question.......
Someone said on what authority will i have to inform schools using pictures, or something like that.
I wasn't going to link up with schools, I was going on youtube to inform parents.

I think poor vocabulary is an issue for many children and a barrier to comprehension.

I'm so interested in all the debate my first comment has sparked. I think the news last week requires us to continue the discussion (as politely as possible please!) I agree that extremely disruptive students should be removed peacefully and quickly for the sake of the other students. But, persistently disruptive students need more than just a "robust" behaviour policy.

In the light of Barnardo's recent findings - on the connection between exclusion and knife crime - it is time to focus on what is making the most disruptive students so unhappy. For instance, difficult kids need good counselling: available without a time limit and given by professional counsellors who have time to talk with them as equal humans.

Unhappiness begins in primary school. Keep the most difficult students in school; address their behaviour by engaging with their unhappiness!

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"Unhappiness begins in primary school." I'm afraid for many disruptive pupils unhappiness begins long before the child sets foot in a school.

True, hence the value of counselling...but unhappiness with school often has its roots in primary school.

One of our most challenging pupils has articulated to many people the only place they feel safe and happy is school. The whole discussion between various agencies of why their behaviour is so extreme at school compared to elsewhere is worrying. So to say unhappiness starts at school is far too simplistic.

The idea that if a child is poorly behaved it must be because the lesson isn’t engaging or an issue with the teacher is insidious and wrong

I'd disagree.

The behaviour policy at Kids school has changed. Instead of anonymously handing out behaviour points the teachers signs and sends home a slip.

DS has 40 behaviour slips 34 of those are from one teacher.

You tell me where the problem lies because it's quite clear to me

Is that primary GreenTulips?

I think it's very naive to imagine that counselling is the answer for many of these children.

Counselling isn't an answer, but it can help. What else do you suggest?

Is that primary GreenTulips?

No secondary

Your dc has forty behaviour slips?

I know what I'd be focussing on.

Feenie - I don't think personal remarks about the behaviour of other people's children are appropriate. How could you possibly have a reason to comment on someone else's child based on one comment on mumsnet?

He's had a few for dropping a pencil
A few for turning round in his seat
Twice for 'talking' when it was a friend
Once for putting his hands on a friends ahoulders
A few times for saying 'miss' when he needed help (shouting out)

So no I'm not worried

How could you possibly have a reason to comment on someone else's child based on one comment on mumsnet?

Er...the reason was that GreenTulips offered information about her child having forty behaviour slips.

He's had a few for dropping a pencil
A few for turning round in his seat
Twice for 'talking' when it was a friend
Once for putting his hands on a friends ahoulders
A few times for saying 'miss' when he needed help (shouting out)

So no I'm not worried

Fair enough, GreenTulips. The shouting out is a concern but at least you've made sure you know the reasons.

I think it's parents getting it wrong but how did that happen.
What is discipline? I was given the cane, was that discipline?
I was shouted at, screamed at, belittled and humiliated, was that discipline? (this happened at home and at school)

Left school poor reading skills then copied what had been done to me when i became a parent. I admitted to the head, (i was a volunteer) that i never loved my boys, she said she didn't believe me but it's understandable when i wasn't shown any other way.

I thought the teachers were cautious where i helped, didn't laugh, weren't having fun, couldn't make the children laugh, i thought infants was too serious.
This hardness, lack of compassion was coming from the head, she was making life incredibly difficult for teachers.
I had more fun with the children than you can imagine, in fact i loved the challenging children more.
There was a challenging child who kept hitting children, he had a learning support assistant. I got to know him, had fun, made him laugh then one day he confided/started crying that if the L/S tells his mum she will beat him. I told the head that if you tell the mum I will leave, she promised she wouldn't.
The learning supports negativity, concentrating on everything that was wrong with him rather than build him up, she would run to the head every 5 minutes who would then punish him.
I wasn't a teacher but i did learn coaching skills, i would lay it on a bit thick, saying how amazed i was, I did this for climbing, singing, running, whatever. In the end when i left (I fell out with the head) i learnt how to love (56) just in time to love my granddaughter.
When we talk about bad behaviour we could be looking at tomorrows knife thug. (they have no respect for authority because they weren't respected in school, the best way to teach respect is to show respect)
(teachers are in a much stronger position to understand respect than some parents)
Things I learnt.....that discipline is a part of love, that bully style parenting hasn't got love or discipline in it.
Blind love has no discipline or real love in it.
Only tough love has the right balance.

State school is like an island of knowledge with the drawbridge pulled up. I sympathise with teachers because poor heads haven't got a community overview, not inclusive, aren't holistic etc.
Once upon a time state school could reach for tax payers money for everything but now it's time to work together, heads have got to make the first move. (they never would have done that if there was no arm twisting from government)
The two heads at the seminar telling me that they want to connect is going in the right direction. (they've read the pamphlets)

"Counselling isn't an answer, but it can help" for children with underlying emotional or sensory disorders no amount of counselling will help and in fact can be detrimental. Early identification is the key to accessing the correct support.

Disney. As a teacher, discipline is the number one issue in schools and unless addresses all the other children suffer. I fear for the children you let down through your own weakness and political dogma.

Since I left the school and wrote my pamphlets, (done anonymously)
the school has........
Strengthened safe guarding.
Got Rights Respecting Cert.
Head doesn't bully and has the respect of all her staff.
Changed the curriculum to involve boys more.
Gone directly to parents to teach phonics and encourage reading.
Lessons are more fun based.
Encourages more men to come into the infants school.
Asks parents what they think.
I've never thought of state school as honorable but the school where helped is honorable now.
The head teaches other professionals.
She loves the staff and the staff love the children.
She is world class.

Well, thank the Lord for your pamphlets.
I wonder how on earth the school would have turned itself around without your help.

Well, thank the Lord for your pamphlets.
I wonder how on earth the school would have turned itself around without your help.

Would like to read them?

No, I'm OK thanks.

Funnily enough poor behaviour is a problem for the people behaving poorly too not just the teachers and their classmate. All behaviour is communication.

Or have I just spent too much time with Behaviour Support from the LEA recently.